LH Division qualifying games

Soccerdood wrote:Rather than looking at brackets, another way to look at this and discuss is just the seeding order. Still have to make assumptions about which teams will still exist and actually enter. Plano teams are easy. Intermixing the Arlington teams is the real challenge and there will be a difference of opinion. New formed teams will be seeded last (i.e. Sporting last year). Of course, all pure speculation at this point. 

SEED
1	WF Xxpress	PL D1 1st
2	Avalanche	PL D1 2nd
3	DTxn FTW	PL D1 3rd
4	Sporting	PL D1 4th
5	Fever United	PL D1 5th
6	FWFC White	Arl D1 1st
7	AFC Black	PL D1 6th
8	Cyclones	Arl D1 3rd
9	Solar Chelsea Blue	PL D1 7th
10	Gunners	PL D1 8th
11	FCD Red	PL D1 9th
12	Lonestars	PL D1 11th
13	Liverpool Keegan	Arl D2 1st - 99 Division
14	Genesis Elite	PL D1 12th
15	TFC	PL D1 14th
16	Lightning	PL D1 17th
17	Galaxy	New team

IMO...I would bump FWFC up the 2nd or 3rd spot maybe Cyclones up one spot as well. 
Other factor, as mentioned previously, would be if Abilene goes out for QT. What about Arsenal, they going to try to make another run? Thought I read on here Mansfield Samba was going for run at it as well.  Any others?  
20 teams=5 brackets of 4. Should 5 spots be open, fair to speculate that top seed of each bracket is in?

InaB wrote:Depending on how everything shakes out, I think some teams to watch are (of course)WF XPress, Fever, and Avalanche as well as Gunners, DTxn FTW, AFC Black. I am particularly waiting to see how the former Shortcakes aka Gunners do this year - only because they have progressed nicely in two years. Lightning, I am pulling for you.

It might be interesting too if any teams fall out in LH before the QTs.

Thanks InaB....I'll replenish your cupcakes for that

And Yes these teams from 2011-12 Arlington standings did not enter the fray:
#1: ABILENE ASC 00G 
#2: WACO STARS WACO STARS 00G 
#4: ARSENAL '00G  

Here are their rankings this year and it will be interesting to see if especially any decide to give it a roll:
 #2: ABILENE ASC 2000G 
 #3: CYCLONES GST00G 
 #4: WACO STARS WACO STARS 00G 
 #5: ARSENAL '00G

Here is some data on last year's U14 LH qualifying, where the teams came from, and their ultimate finish for U14.  I realize each age group is different, but I hope this might be of interest.

	LH QT seed, July 2012, U14	U14 LH D3 finish	U13 league & finish
Solar Royal	1	1	PPL, 1
FC Force ESS White	2	2	PPL, 2
Irving Elite	3	10	APL, 2
FCD WTX	4	5	APL, 3
Texans White	5	DNQ	PPL, *
FWFC Red	6	7	APL, 8
Texans South	14	4	APL, 1
Texans Red	bye	3	PPL, 4

* I think the Texans White seeding was an error based on name confusion- the 2012-13 Texans Red 99G should have earned this seed if they did not take the former 2011-12 Texans Red 99G bye. I don't know where they finished at U13 but I think it was maybe around 10th in PPL.
I don't know why Texans South were seeded so low- maybe I'm reading the QT table wrong.

Whether the teams played in LH at U13 did not seem to matter to where the teams finished at U14- in fact, the teams that came from PPL and APL seemed to do a little better at U14.

Finish in LH D3, U14, 2012-13	U13 final placement
1	PPL, 1st
2	PPL, 2nd
3	PPL, 4th
4	APL, 1st
5	APL, 3rd
6	LH, D3, 8th
7	APL, 8th
8	LH, D3, 10th
9	LH, D3, 9th
10	APL, 2nd

Soccerdood wrote:Rather than looking at brackets, another way to look at this and discuss is just the seeding order. Still have to make assumptions about which teams will still exist and actually enter. Plano teams are easy. Intermixing the Arlington teams is the real challenge and there will be a difference of opinion. New formed teams will be seeded last (i.e. Sporting last year). Of course, all pure speculation at this point. 

SEED
1	WF Xxpress	PL D1 1st
2	Avalanche	PL D1 2nd
3	DTxn FTW	PL D1 3rd
4	Sporting	PL D1 4th
5	Fever United	PL D1 5th
6	FWFC White	Arl D1 1st
7	AFC Black	PL D1 6th
8	Cyclones	Arl D1 3rd
9	Solar Chelsea Blue	PL D1 7th
10	Gunners	PL D1 8th
11	FCD Red	PL D1 9th
12	Lonestars	PL D1 11th
13	Liverpool Keegan	Arl D2 1st - 99 Division
14	Genesis Elite	PL D1 12th
15	TFC	PL D1 14th
16	Lightning	PL D1 17th
17	Galaxy	New team

Add this monkey wrench to the machine. A few weeks ago there was an announcement about the old LHGCL Team Galaxy SC coming back and with the original roster intact. If this is true this will add to the level of competition, Galaxy may be a dark horse. As I recall they finished 3rd place seed in LH D3 at the end of season 2011-2012 after the advancement of 1st place Mustangs Bussey.

I would think, for what it's worth, that would only apply for the previous season. I don't recall a grandfather clause.

This is how seeding translates in a 5 bracket tournament. 

Bracket A	Bracket B	Bracket C	Bracket D	Bracket E
Seed 1	Seed 2	Seed 3	Seed 4	Seed 5
Seed 10	Seed 9	Seed 8	Seed 7	Seed 6
Seed 11	Seed 12	Seed 13	Seed 14	Seed 15
Seed 20	Seed 19	Seed 18	Seed 17	Seed 16
Seeds 1, 10, 11, 20	Seeds 2, 9, 12, 19	Seeds 3, 8, 13, 18	Seeds 4, 7, 14, 17	Seeds 5, 6, 15, 16

00scrmom wrote:I would think, for what it's worth, that would only apply for the previous season. I don't recall a grandfather clause.

Grandfather clause? They would need to qualify like any other team. I'm not implying Galaxy would have a bye, that was sold/given/moved to Meja.
See the previous thread: https://www.txsoccer.net/t15155-there-back

and the link of their intention to qualify: https://www.txsoccer.net/t15156-there-goalie-galaxy

midfieldersdad wrote:

00scrmom wrote:I would think, for what it's worth, that would only apply for the previous season. I don't recall a grandfather clause.

Grandfather clause? They would need to qualify like any other team. I'm not implying Galaxy would have a bye, that was sold/given/moved to Meja.
See the previous thread: https://www.txsoccer.net/t15155-there-back

and the link of their intention to qualify: https://www.txsoccer.net/t15156-there-goalie-galaxy

Ah gotcha mid...my bad, I misinterpretted what you wrote. 

00scrmom wrote:

midfieldersdad wrote:

00scrmom wrote:I would think, for what it's worth, that would only apply for the previous season. I don't recall a grandfather clause.

Grandfather clause? They would need to qualify like any other team. I'm not implying Galaxy would have a bye, that was sold/given/moved to Meja.
See the previous thread: https://www.txsoccer.net/t15155-there-back

and the link of their intention to qualify: https://www.txsoccer.net/t15156-there-goalie-galaxy

Ah gotcha mid...my bad, I misinterpretted what you wrote. 

No worries ScrMom, all in good fun.

Well, regardless of who comes in on top of the current possibles, it will be interesting to see who brings it!

Decided to move a couple Arlington teams higher after some research. Also added a couple teams who indicated they will enter QT. Added gotsoccer ranking but we all probably can agree it is not an accurate measure. Teams that play in more appropriate level tournaments that they can win or be a finalist will earn more gotsoccer points and move up. Teams that play in tougher tournaments often get zero gotsoccer points for their effort. 

SEED	TEAM	FINISH	GOTSOCCER RANK
1	WF Xxpress	PL D1 1st	32
2	Avalanche	PL D1 2nd	28
3	DTxn FTW	PL D1 3rd	34
4	FWFC White	Arl D1 1st	25
5	Sporting	PL D1 4th	27
6	Fever United	PL D1 5th	30
7	Cyclones	Arl D1 3rd	33
8	AFC Black	PL D1 6th	24
9	Solar Chelsea Blue	PL D1 7th	38
10	Gunners	PL D1 8th	76
11	FCD Red	PL D1 9th	35
12	Lonestars	PL D1 11th	74
13	Liverpool Keegan	Arl D2 1st - 99 Division	23
14	Genesis Elite	PL D1 12th	51
15	Arsenal	Arl D1 5th	41
16	TFC	PL D1 14th	29
17	Lightning	PL D1 17th	56
18	Mansfield Samba	Arl D2 3rd	49
19	Galaxy	New team w/former players	78
20	Andromeda Red	New team

Soccerdood - like the analysis.  I took what you had and used reverse order placment [1 plays 20, etc] to come up with five brackets.  I see at least one combination in each bracket worked out the same as I had with fewer teams.  The addition of the other teams makes these more interesting though:


Brackets
    A                                      B                           C                        D                      E
WF Xxpress              Avalanche            DTxn FTW           FWFC White      Sporting
Andromeda Red        Galaxy                Mansfield Samba     Lightning          TFC
Arsenal                   Genesis Elite         Liverpool Keegan     Lonestars        FCD Red
Gunners                Solar Chelsea Blue    AFC Black            Cyclones         Fever United


Again, based upon last year there seems to be no rhyme or reason where LHGCL will place the new teams or the Arlington teams.  It will be interesting.

I'm not sure you matched the seeds to bracket correctly. Below is the bracketing I have based on seeding above. Within each bracket teams should be listed in seeding order. Bracket seeding should determine order of games played with top 2 seeds in each bracket playing in last game. 

Bracket A	Bracket B	Bracket C	Bracket D	Bracket E
WF Xxpress	Avalanche	DTxn FTW	FWFC White	Sporting
Gunners	Solar Chelsea Blue	AFC Black	Cyclones	Fever United
FCD Red	Lonestars	Liverpool Keegan	Genesis Elite	Arsenal
TFC	Lightning	Mansfield Samba	Galaxy	Andromeda Red

Bracket A	Bracket B	Bracket C	Bracket D	Bracket E
Seed 1	Seed 2	Seed 3	Seed 4	Seed 5
Seed 10	Seed 9	Seed 8	Seed 7	Seed 6
Seed 11	Seed 12	Seed 13	Seed 14	Seed 15
Seed 20	Seed 19	Seed 18	Seed 17	Seed 16
Seeds 1, 10, 11, 20	Seeds 2, 9, 12, 19	Seeds 3, 8, 13, 18	Seeds 4, 7, 14, 17	Seeds 5, 6, 15, 16

Bracket E got chopped so here it is. 

Bracket E

Sporting

Fever United

Arsenal

Andromeda Red

Seeds 5, 6, 15, 16

Bracket E

Seed 5

Seed 6

Seed 15

Seed 16

Seeds 5, 6, 15, 16

Hmm dood, Bracket E could be very interesting if that is how it works out.

Right, seeds 5 and 6 play each other so that should be the best game of the 1st round unless either has significant roster changes.

Soccerdood wrote:I'm not sure you matched the seeds to bracket correctly. Below is the bracketing I have based on seeding above. Within each bracket teams should be listed in seeding order. Bracket seeding should determine order of games played with top 2 seeds in each bracket playing in last game. 

Bracket A	Bracket B	Bracket C	Bracket D	Bracket E
WF Xxpress	Avalanche	DTxn FTW	FWFC White	Sporting
Gunners	Solar Chelsea Blue	AFC Black	Cyclones	Fever United
FCD Red	Lonestars	Liverpool Keegan	Genesis Elite	Arsenal
TFC	Lightning	Mansfield Samba	Galaxy	Andromeda Red

Bracket A	Bracket B	Bracket C	Bracket D	Bracket E
Seed 1	Seed 2	Seed 3	Seed 4	Seed 5
Seed 10	Seed 9	Seed 8	Seed 7	Seed 6
Seed 11	Seed 12	Seed 13	Seed 14	Seed 15
Seed 20	Seed 19	Seed 18	Seed 17	Seed 16
Seeds 1, 10, 11, 20	Seeds 2, 9, 12, 19	Seeds 3, 8, 13, 18	Seeds 4, 7, 14, 17	Seeds 5, 6, 15, 16

Dood...based on your ranking list and the above bracket, you have seeds 16-20 backwards. The new Andromeda tean, ranked 20th would be in bracket A and TFC, ranked 16th would be in bracket E.  Unless I am seeing something incorrectly.

You are correct. I made the update. 

Bracket A	Bracket B	Bracket C	Bracket D	Bracket E
WF Xxpress	Avalanche	DTxn FTW	FWFC White	Sporting
Gunners	Solar Chelsea Blue	AFC Black	Cyclones	Fever United
FCD Red	Lonestars	Liverpool Keegan	Genesis Elite	Arsenal
Andromeda Red	Galaxy	Mansfield Samba	Lightning	TFC
Seeds 1, 10, 11, 20	Seeds 2, 9, 12, 19	Seeds 3, 8, 13, 18	Seeds 4, 7, 14, 17	Seeds 5, 6, 15, 16

Well, I think the whole group will be very interesting.

Alrighty....since Soccerdood has put together such a nice effort at seeding and brackets, I'm gonna throw down MY prediction! I'm mean, why not?!? We're having fun here arent we? Gotta keep the lively conversation going!
Of course....this is subject to change when LH comes out with their seeding and brackets.
 
 
Bracket A - WF Express
Bracket B - Avalanche
Bracket C - DT FTW
Bracket D - FWFC White
Bracket E - Fever
 
I think Bracket A is WF Express's to lose.  Gunners will give them a good fight.  Bracket B showdown will be Avalanche and Solar Blue. It really could be a toss up to be honest.  I'm giving the Av's the slight edge.  Bracket C goes to DT FTW - think they have come back from some injuries and have been playing well as of late. Bracket D is gonna be a dog fight. The FWFC and Cyclones game will be a physical match up but I think FWFC pulls it out. Lightning's striker is back tho so that might mix some unexpected things up. And Bracket E is all Fever.
 
And there you have it....carry on.

I believe as one poster put it earlier, they seed Plano and Arlington equally.  So if that was the case then the brackets would look like this based on the way teams finished in league play:

A	B	C	D	E
WF Xpress	FWFC	Avalanche	DTxn Ft W	Cyclones
Solar Chelsea Blue	AFC Black	Arsenal	Fever Utd	Sporting FC
Gunners	FC Dal Red	Lonestars	Liverpool Keegan	Genesis Elite
Galaxy	Andromeda Red	Mansfield Samba	Tx Lightning	TFC

Sooner good thoughts. 00Mom, I agree I think in Bracket A Xpress needs to stay focused otherwise, Gunners could shoot them down (couldn't resist that one). Solar Blue could also be a dark horse in that bracket. 

Bracket B, could be FWFC with their showing in Arlington.

Bracket C, thinking Avalanche, they played very well during the season.

Bracket D, Hmm, had to look at the finishes I think Dtxns take the bracket but I think that if TX Lightning plays well they could do some damage.

Bracket E as you have it Sooner looks like a very weak grouping compared to the others. Actually, the Cyclones and Sporting have pretty close to identical records for the year. If Sporting did lose a number of players (as rumored), and have taken on a new coach that could put them at a disadvantage.

This was the seeding last year. Arlington seeded close to Plano but not exactly. Plano 5th placed just ahead of Arlington 3rd. Plano 8th placed just above Arlington 7th. 

1	Dallas Texans-FW	LH D3 6th
2	AFC Black	LH D3 8th
3	Mustangs Navy	LH D3 9th
4	Sting West	LH D3 10th
5	Solar Gold	PL D1 2nd
6	WF Xxpress	PL D1 3rd
7	Fever United	PL D1 4th
8	Genesis Elite	PL D1 5th
9	Flash FC	Arl D1 3rd
10	Lightning	PL D1 7th
11	Solar Blue	PL D1 8th
12	LP Keegan	Arl D1 7th
13	FWFC White	PL D1 9th
14	FCD Red	PL D1 12th
15	Sting Ferretti	PL D1 15th
16	North Texas Sporting FC	New team