Speed VS Size

B166512 wrote:At what age does skill, quick feet, and speed become more relevant than just being big?

Havingfunyet wrote:I totally agree, but the coach will take big and athletic over average and athletic at the younger age groups.  Size evens out by around age 14.  That was my point.

Its Me wrote:

Havingfunyet wrote:I totally agree, but the coach will take big and athletic over average and athletic at the younger age groups.  Size evens out by around age 14.  That was my point.

You are totally correct "funyet".  North Texas is all about size and speed when it comes to soccer.  It's sad that skills will not come into play.  If you have a slower but skillful DD she'll get beat all day long.  The reason is that they're unable to body up on the ball and when defending they're unable to keep pace with the faster kids. Unfortunately, I had a BB that was skillful but didn't have the size.  It's hard to keep pushing your kid when coaches keep over looking skills for size. It wasn't until he was 16 that he was able to get his height and speed.  At that time he also had excellent skills to go alone with the other attributes.   

If you have a kid that's have a hard time just keep pushing them and their day will come.

SteamingBean wrote:Maybe it's just me but just "being big" was never relevant on any of the many teams my four dds have played on through the years.  Starting with the 4yr old coed herd-ball teams, through the pre-teen kick-ball years, and onward though the "possession-ish" teen years, speed and quickness always trumped size when comparing them exclusively.

BILLYRAY wrote:

Its Me wrote:

Havingfunyet wrote:I totally agree, but the coach will take big and athletic over average and athletic at the younger age groups.  Size evens out by around age 14.  That was my point.

You are totally correct "funyet".  North Texas is all about size and speed when it comes to soccer.  It's sad that skills will not come into play.  If you have a slower but skillful DD she'll get beat all day long.  The reason is that they're unable to body up on the ball and when defending they're unable to keep pace with the faster kids. Unfortunately, I had a BB that was skillful but didn't have the size.  It's hard to keep pushing your kid when coaches keep over looking skills for size. It wasn't until he was 16 that he was able to get his height and speed.  At that time he also had excellent skills to go alone with the other attributes.   

If you have a kid that's have a hard time just keep pushing them and their day will come.

In what sport that requires running is this statement NOT true? Slow is never a desirable trait in sports. Unless you consider golf to be a sport.
Y

BILLYRAY wrote:

Its Me wrote:

Havingfunyet wrote:I totally agree, but the coach will take big and athletic over average and athletic at the younger age groups.  Size evens out by around age 14.  That was my point.

You are totally correct "funyet".  North Texas is all about size and speed when it comes to soccer.  It's sad that skills will not come into play.  If you have a slower but skillful DD she'll get beat all day long.  The reason is that they're unable to body up on the ball and when defending they're unable to keep pace with the faster kids. Unfortunately, I had a BB that was skillful but didn't have the size.  It's hard to keep pushing your kid when coaches keep over looking skills for size. It wasn't until he was 16 that he was able to get his height and speed.  At that time he also had excellent skills to go alone with the other attributes.   

If you have a kid that's have a hard time just keep pushing them and their day will come.

In what sport that requires running is this statement NOT true? Slow is never a desirable trait in sports. Unless you consider golf to be a sport.

Its Me wrote:

BILLYRAY wrote:

Its Me wrote:

Havingfunyet wrote:I totally agree, but the coach will take big and athletic over average and athletic at the younger age groups.  Size evens out by around age 14.  That was my point.

You are totally correct "funyet".  North Texas is all about size and speed when it comes to soccer.  It's sad that skills will not come into play.  If you have a slower but skillful DD she'll get beat all day long.  The reason is that they're unable to body up on the ball and when defending they're unable to keep pace with the faster kids. Unfortunately, I had a BB that was skillful but didn't have the size.  It's hard to keep pushing your kid when coaches keep over looking skills for size. It wasn't until he was 16 that he was able to get his height and speed.  At that time he also had excellent skills to go alone with the other attributes.   

If you have a kid that's have a hard time just keep pushing them and their day will come.

In what sport that requires running is this statement NOT true? Slow is never a desirable trait in sports. Unless you consider golf to be a sport.

The ball can always move faster than a player.  Give me a group of players with a good first touch, skillful, and Soccer IQ and I'll beat size any day.  Speed is a little different factor.  

And you wonder why we can't compete Internationally!

Its Me wrote:

BILLYRAY wrote:

Its Me wrote:

Havingfunyet wrote:I totally agree, but the coach will take big and athletic over average and athletic at the younger age groups.  Size evens out by around age 14.  That was my point.

You are totally correct "funyet".  North Texas is all about size and speed when it comes to soccer.  It's sad that skills will not come into play.  If you have a slower but skillful DD she'll get beat all day long.  The reason is that they're unable to body up on the ball and when defending they're unable to keep pace with the faster kids. Unfortunately, I had a BB that was skillful but didn't have the size.  It's hard to keep pushing your kid when coaches keep over looking skills for size. It wasn't until he was 16 that he was able to get his height and speed.  At that time he also had excellent skills to go alone with the other attributes.   

If you have a kid that's have a hard time just keep pushing them and their day will come.

In what sport that requires running is this statement NOT true? Slow is never a desirable trait in sports. Unless you consider golf to be a sport.

The ball can always move faster than a player.  Give me a group of players with a good first touch, skillful, and Soccer IQ and I'll beat size any day.  Speed is a little different factor.  

And you wonder why we can't compete Internationally!

Lefty wrote:
Speed of foot is something a player may have and is a great attribute, but the real question is do they have the soccer IQ, speed of thought and skill to effectively apply the foot speed in a game.  If they do they can be special players, but seen many speedsters absolutely lost on a soccer field.

4-3-3 wrote:

Lefty wrote:
Speed of foot is something a player may have and is a great attribute, but the real question is do they have the soccer IQ, speed of thought and skill to effectively apply the foot speed in a game.  If they do they can be special players, but seen many speedsters absolutely lost on a soccer field.

Agree with this 100%.  Is Soccer IQ mostly genetic?  Or is it something heavily influenced by coaching and playing environment?

Gunner9 wrote:

4-3-3 wrote:

Lefty wrote:
Speed of foot is something a player may have and is a great attribute, but the real question is do they have the soccer IQ, speed of thought and skill to effectively apply the foot speed in a game.  If they do they can be special players, but seen many speedsters absolutely lost on a soccer field.

Agree with this 100%.  Is Soccer IQ mostly genetic?  Or is it something heavily influenced by coaching and playing environment?

Soccer IQ encompasses a lot of things, so some of it can certainly be impacted by good training.  But I don't think you can really teach vision in soccer or any other sport.  Some special players have the ability to slow the game down and see it a few moves ahead.  I think that is a gift.

BigBend wrote:

Gunner9 wrote:

4-3-3 wrote:

Lefty wrote:
Speed of foot is something a player may have and is a great attribute, but the real question is do they have the soccer IQ, speed of thought and skill to effectively apply the foot speed in a game.  If they do they can be special players, but seen many speedsters absolutely lost on a soccer field.

Agree with this 100%.  Is Soccer IQ mostly genetic?  Or is it something heavily influenced by coaching and playing environment?

Soccer IQ encompasses a lot of things, so some of it can certainly be impacted by good training.  But I don't think you can really teach vision in soccer or any other sport.  Some special players have the ability to slow the game down and see it a few moves ahead.  I think that is a gift.

Gift or not, small and slow while thinking a few steps ahead is still slow and small.  Unfortunately, sports (including golf) are about leverage and speed.  Athletes are getting larger and quicker.

Lefty wrote:

BigBend wrote:

Gunner9 wrote:

4-3-3 wrote:

Lefty wrote:
Speed of foot is something a player may have and is a great attribute, but the real question is do they have the soccer IQ, speed of thought and skill to effectively apply the foot speed in a game.  If they do they can be special players, but seen many speedsters absolutely lost on a soccer field.

Agree with this 100%.  Is Soccer IQ mostly genetic?  Or is it something heavily influenced by coaching and playing environment?

Soccer IQ encompasses a lot of things, so some of it can certainly be impacted by good training.  But I don't think you can really teach vision in soccer or any other sport.  Some special players have the ability to slow the game down and see it a few moves ahead.  I think that is a gift.

Gift or not, small and slow while thinking a few steps ahead is still slow and small.  Unfortunately, sports (including golf) are about leverage and speed.  Athletes are getting larger and quicker.

Agree, however big and fast w/o a clue what to do, or the ability to control the ball will yield about the same result after u12-u13.  One just looks more intimidating before the game starts.