'05 Girls FBR Rankings - 09-05-2013

WESLEYCRUSHERS wrote:

CFBSA wrote:Let's get this player playing on mulitple teams straight:
YES a player can play on as many teams as they wish during LEAGUE play.  The little angel can go from field 1 at 1:00 over to field 2 at 3:00 - play for DT first game and Solar second game.  There is NO rule limiting a player by North Texas.  Rule was thrown out in January at the Semi-AGM.

Can an 05 player play on an 04 team - YES.
Can an 05 player play on an 06 team - NO!
Can an 05 player play on an 06 team that is playing in an 05 division - YES, BUT the appearance isn't fair. Your team is registered as an 06 -therefore your players should be of that age group.

I hope I have put all of the curiousity to rest...............see you on the pitch!

Why is the appearance unfair? It would only be unfair if the team was playing in the 06 age group with an 05 on the roster.

I would assume it has something to do with the game report as well as the gotsoccer account setup as a U8 team.  If they change the name to an 05 team and change game report and gotsoccer to U9 then it would be a none issue I would guess

But why is it an issue at all? How is it any different than playing with a guest player? You wouldn't change a team's gotsoccer account for that.

Even the coaches will down play talking about a game that they used an older player in when playing up. 

I know I have seen it somewhere in tournament play that if a team is playing up the team must be age pure.  Not saying its across the board, but I have seen it a few times recently.

WESLEYCRUSHERS wrote:But why is it an issue at all? How is it any different than playing with a guest player? You wouldn't change a team's gotsoccer account for that.

Because a team should be listed by the oldest player on the team. Even with just one 05 that would make your team 05 with who cares how many 06 players. Again as it was stated it gives an unfair appearance. Not truly unfair since they would be playing 05s, but don't try to pass as an 06 team if you even have one 05. If you need an extra player and you are 06 team then you would use an 07.

Anarchy wrote:

WESLEYCRUSHERS wrote:But why is it an issue at all? How is it any different than playing with a guest player? You wouldn't change a team's gotsoccer account for that.

Because a team should be listed by the oldest player on the team. Even with just one 05 that would make your team 05 with who cares how many 06 players. Again as it was stated it gives an unfair appearance. Not truly unfair since they would be playing 05s, but don't try to pass as an 06 team if you even have one 05. If you need an extra player and you are 06 team then you would use an 07.

Translation: "Either change your name so that our egos don't take such a hit when we lose to a team where one of the players is the same age as all of our players. Who cares if the rest of them are younger. If we had known that there was one the same age, we would have been better prepared. If you're not gonna change names, then grab one of those toddlers off of the playground and then we'll play you."

CFBSA wrote:Let's get this player playing on mulitple teams straight:
YES a player can play on as many teams as they wish during LEAGUE play.  The little angel can go from field 1 at 1:00 over to field 2 at 3:00 - play for DT first game and Solar second game.  There is NO rule limiting a player by North Texas.  Rule was thrown out in January at the Semi-AGM.

Can an 05 player play on an 04 team - YES.
Can an 05 player play on an 06 team - NO!
Can an 05 player play on an 06 team that is playing in an 05 division - YES, BUT the appearance isn't fair. Your team is registered as an 06 -therefore your players should be of that age group.

I hope I have put all of the curiousity to rest...............see you on the pitch!

Very helpful, thanks Nicole! Is there another entity that still limits our princesses from playing games for different teams in the same day? (Maybe its US Club Soccer)

Saw a few teams taking advantage of the rule change this weekend. I guess this change really limits the accuracy of the FBR, and lessens the ability to really judge where teams fit. Clubs/Coaches with multiple teams, may only have enough players for one full team, yet have dd's play multiple games and consolidate the top players when playing tougher competition.
I enjoy seeing the FBR every week, but it's good to temper what we're seeing in the numbers when its not driven by consistent rosters. I guess with tournaments, it's always skewed anyway.

Maybe it's not as widespread as I think. Are there a lot of teams with consistent rosters during league play?

The.Joker wrote:

CFBSA wrote:Let's get this player playing on mulitple teams straight:
YES a player can play on as many teams as they wish during LEAGUE play.  The little angel can go from field 1 at 1:00 over to field 2 at 3:00 - play for DT first game and Solar second game.  There is NO rule limiting a player by North Texas.  Rule was thrown out in January at the Semi-AGM.

Can an 05 player play on an 04 team - YES.
Can an 05 player play on an 06 team - NO!
Can an 05 player play on an 06 team that is playing in an 05 division - YES, BUT the appearance isn't fair. Your team is registered as an 06 -therefore your players should be of that age group.

I hope I have put all of the curiousity to rest...............see you on the pitch!

Very helpful, thanks Nicole!  Is there another entity that still limits our princesses from playing games for different teams in the same day? (Maybe its US Club Soccer)

Saw a few teams taking advantage of the rule change this weekend.  I guess this change really limits the accuracy of the FBR, and lessens the ability to really judge where teams fit.  Clubs/Coaches with multiple teams, may only have enough players for one full team, yet have dd's play multiple games and consolidate the top players when playing tougher competition.
I enjoy seeing the FBR every week, but it's good to temper what we're seeing in the numbers when its not driven by consistent rosters.  I guess with tournaments, it's always skewed anyway.

Maybe it's not as widespread as I think.  Are there a lot of teams with consistent rosters during league play?

Guest playing in league play and tournaments is a fact of life in NTX academy soccer, has been for several years, and I highly doubt it's any more prevalent in the '05's than it was in the '00's-'04's. I have never tried to account for it in FBR in any way.

The overall impact to FBR is not nearly as big as most people would like to believe.

bwgophers wrote:

The.Joker wrote:

CFBSA wrote:Let's get this player playing on mulitple teams straight:
YES a player can play on as many teams as they wish during LEAGUE play.  The little angel can go from field 1 at 1:00 over to field 2 at 3:00 - play for DT first game and Solar second game.  There is NO rule limiting a player by North Texas.  Rule was thrown out in January at the Semi-AGM.

Can an 05 player play on an 04 team - YES.
Can an 05 player play on an 06 team - NO!
Can an 05 player play on an 06 team that is playing in an 05 division - YES, BUT the appearance isn't fair. Your team is registered as an 06 -therefore your players should be of that age group.

I hope I have put all of the curiousity to rest...............see you on the pitch!

Very helpful, thanks Nicole!  Is there another entity that still limits our princesses from playing games for different teams in the same day? (Maybe its US Club Soccer)

Saw a few teams taking advantage of the rule change this weekend.  I guess this change really limits the accuracy of the FBR, and lessens the ability to really judge where teams fit.  Clubs/Coaches with multiple teams, may only have enough players for one full team, yet have dd's play multiple games and consolidate the top players when playing tougher competition.
I enjoy seeing the FBR every week, but it's good to temper what we're seeing in the numbers when its not driven by consistent rosters.  I guess with tournaments, it's always skewed anyway.

Maybe it's not as widespread as I think.  Are there a lot of teams with consistent rosters during league play?

Guest playing in league play and tournaments is a fact of life in NTX academy soccer, has been for several years, and I highly doubt it's any more prevalent in the '05's than it was in the '00's-'04's.  I have never tried to account for it in FBR in any way.  

The overall impact to FBR is not nearly as big as most people would like to believe.

 
Out of the 78 teams registered within my league I would say there is less than 10% who use players from other clubs/teams.  For the most part the teams play with their solid rosters.  I understand it's the beginning of a new fall season and teams have had players up and leave (well really the parents make those choices) leaving a few teams with less than field count or without any subs.  With temps over 100 with heat index, I completely understand the need to grab who you can, when you can - to a degree.

futbollove wrote:

Anarchy wrote:

WESLEYCRUSHERS wrote:But why is it an issue at all? How is it any different than playing with a guest player? You wouldn't change a team's gotsoccer account for that.

Because a team should be listed by the oldest player on the team. Even with just one 05 that would make your team 05 with who cares how many 06 players. Again as it was stated it gives an unfair appearance. Not truly unfair since they would be playing 05s, but don't try to pass as an 06 team if you even have one 05. If you need an extra player and you are 06 team then you would use an 07.

Translation: "Either change your name so that our egos don't take such a hit when we lose to a team where one of the players is the same age as all of our players. Who cares if the rest of them are younger. If we had known that there was one the same age, we would have been better prepared. If you're not gonna change names, then grab one of those toddlers off of the playground and then we'll play you."

So in other words, keep bringing in your stud 05 players to make it look like your 06 team can actually hang with the good 05 teams.

Anarchy wrote:

futbollove wrote:

Anarchy wrote:

WESLEYCRUSHERS wrote:But why is it an issue at all? How is it any different than playing with a guest player? You wouldn't change a team's gotsoccer account for that.

Because a team should be listed by the oldest player on the team. Even with just one 05 that would make your team 05 with who cares how many 06 players. Again as it was stated it gives an unfair appearance. Not truly unfair since they would be playing 05s, but don't try to pass as an 06 team if you even have one 05. If you need an extra player and you are 06 team then you would use an 07.

Translation: "Either change your name so that our egos don't take such a hit when we lose to a team where one of the players is the same age as all of our players. Who cares if the rest of them are younger. If we had known that there was one the same age, we would have been better prepared. If you're not gonna change names, then grab one of those toddlers off of the playground and then we'll play you."

So in other words, keep bringing in your stud 05 players to make it look like your 06 team can actually hang with the good 05 teams.

It doesn't REALLY matter but we all KNOW why coaches do this and THIS is the reason. They want to make it look like 06 team is as good as 05s so they can recruit better, even if their 06 team is 90% 05s...

At the end it doesn't matter. Two years before select this will even out for the most part and teams that artificially boosted through "false advertising" will mostly likely have folded anyhow. Really it's just the parents that can't stand the idea of people getting a false impression their mighty 05 team got beat by 06s.

Anarchy wrote:

futbollove wrote:

Anarchy wrote:

WESLEYCRUSHERS wrote:But why is it an issue at all? How is it any different than playing with a guest player? You wouldn't change a team's gotsoccer account for that.

Because a team should be listed by the oldest player on the team. Even with just one 05 that would make your team 05 with who cares how many 06 players. Again as it was stated it gives an unfair appearance. Not truly unfair since they would be playing 05s, but don't try to pass as an 06 team if you even have one 05. If you need an extra player and you are 06 team then you would use an 07.

Translation: "Either change your name so that our egos don't take such a hit when we lose to a team where one of the players is the same age as all of our players. Who cares if the rest of them are younger. If we had known that there was one the same age, we would have been better prepared. If you're not gonna change names, then grab one of those toddlers off of the playground and then we'll play you."

So in other words, keep bringing in your stud 05 players to make it look like your 06 team can actually hang with the good 05 teams.

I've only seen 3 maybe 4 06 teams playing up against 05's, none of which have even played the really good 05 teams.

Shelby427 wrote:

Anarchy wrote:

futbollove wrote:

Anarchy wrote:

WESLEYCRUSHERS wrote:But why is it an issue at all? How is it any different than playing with a guest player? You wouldn't change a team's gotsoccer account for that.

Because a team should be listed by the oldest player on the team. Even with just one 05 that would make your team 05 with who cares how many 06 players. Again as it was stated it gives an unfair appearance. Not truly unfair since they would be playing 05s, but don't try to pass as an 06 team if you even have one 05. If you need an extra player and you are 06 team then you would use an 07.

Translation: "Either change your name so that our egos don't take such a hit when we lose to a team where one of the players is the same age as all of our players. Who cares if the rest of them are younger. If we had known that there was one the same age, we would have been better prepared. If you're not gonna change names, then grab one of those toddlers off of the playground and then we'll play you."

So in other words, keep bringing in your stud 05 players to make it look like your 06 team can actually hang with the good 05 teams.

It doesn't REALLY matter but we all KNOW why coaches do this and THIS is the reason. They want to make it look like 06 team is as good as 05s so they can recruit better, even if their 06 team is 90% 05s...

At the end it doesn't matter. Two years before select this will even out for the most part and teams that artificially boosted through "false advertising" will mostly likely have folded anyhow. Really it's just the parents that can't stand the idea of people getting a false impression their mighty 05 team got beat by 06s.

That is a nice hypothesis, but it doesn't actually hold true.  

1. There's not one 06 team out there where 90% of the roster is made up of 05's.
2. How do you recruit 06 players in an 05 league?  You aren't seeing or playing against other 06's, and they aren't seeing your team. So really no chance for recruitment there.
3. I've never seen any of the 06's touting their wins over an 05 team on this board. A win over an 05 team doesn't even count for the 06 team in the All Important FBR, so no chance for "false advertisement" there.
I do however agree with your last statement.  

Teams that play up are not even published in their true age groups FBR.

In case some of these comments are directed at the new 06 team I'm trying to build, I want to be very clear.

I started the fall season with 11 talented 06 players. A large group of parents from that team chose a different route and were not asked to stay. We were already registered for the 05 league when all this happened. In order for my remaining 06 girls to get to actually play this fall, I am using some of my 05 players (and some of the DT Carpenter 05 girls) to help out in our games until we get more 06 players. As we get more and more 06s, there will be less and less 05s out at these games.

I was upfront with the other coach about this before our game this weekend, and plan to do so before every game we play this fall. Also, the 05s are instructed to defend and support only, and let the 06 players take control of the rest of the game.

It is absolutely NOT about trying to win or be impressive. It's about giving a playing opportunity to the 06 girls whose families stayed with me/the club. I think anyone who knows me and my coaching will understand this perspective.


Thanks,

Becca Moreno
Dallas Texans Academy

Pretty sure the comments are directed at another squad.

Okay - thanks for the clarification Borussia. Y'all know I gotta stand up for my girls! :-)

DTexansMoreno wrote:Okay - thanks for the clarification Borussia. Y'all know I gotta stand up for my girls!  :-)

I think your girls are pretty good at standing up for themselves!

Borussia wrote:Pretty sure the comments are directed at another squad.

Not yet at least. Get a couple of wins under your belt, and something tells me that they will be.