At what age do Yellow and Red cards start coming out?

dreadpirateroberts wrote:My dd (04) was issued a YC this past weekend in SDL.  I didn't know it until after the game when she told me, because apparently the ref hadn't brought his cards to the game!  So he just informed her that she had been issued a card.  At least that is what she told me.

Was it a deserved YC?

You guys have not even experienced LH yet. It gets worse!

From what I understand, offsetting red cards were issued in a LH '01 game. Apparently, you have to do something pretty stupid to earn one. I have seen blatant retaliation only draw a yellow multiple times.

canaryman wrote:

dreadpirateroberts wrote:My dd (04) was issued a YC this past weekend in SDL.  I didn't know it until after the game when she told me, because apparently the ref hadn't brought his cards to the game!  So he just informed her that she had been issued a card.  At least that is what she told me.

Was it a deserved YC?

Yes. Not a dirty play, but it stopped an obvious scoring opportunity. Probably not a "bad" foul to give. No risk of injury to the other party.

MoveYourFeet wrote:

Lefty wrote:

MoveYourFeet wrote:I've seen 2 reds given in one game to the same team (U-15).

Words or weapons?

Nothing like that. Just dangerous rough play.

But my boy, at U-9 was taken down from behind when he didn't even have the ball.
It was long gone on towards goal when the foul occurred. Only after the ref realized my
son's ankle was broken that he then gave a yellow card to the other player. That kid shrugged
and kept playing in the game, while my son spent last summer on crutches in cast.

So your point is??

The Refs do hand out cards (2 Reds in your daughters game) OR they don't (when your son was injured)???

In my daughter's 5 years from academy through u13, I think we've seen maybe 5 yellow cards and never a red given to players.  The yellows were for a foul from behind in the box, a shove out of frustration, repeat foul after a warning of physical play, an exceptionally hard foul and unsportsmanlike conduct during a free kick.

The only red I've seen was given to a parent coach in an indoor game.  

Everyone is an expert in here when it comes to Refing a game..

We used to have several Refs in here to represent... But I'll hold the weight on this one...

I'm a Ref. My policy is to go out and find the yellow(s) in every U14 Girls game and above (U13 for boys) game I Ref.. I know there will be yellows and it is my job to find them. I almost always do...

But for the younger age groups, I ONLY card for intentional pushes or worse off the ball or language... Any other foul, I can yell at the kid and they almost always tear up... These are pre-teens and not National Team players.. That is how I do it.. If you don't agree. I don't care.. I'm a parent too, so I know it is hard not to be bias when our DDs are playing. But I can Ref a game and have a mom tell me I'm the worse Ref EVER and a dad on the SAME TEAM tell me I am the best Ref they ever had...

But I aims to please...

You are one referee, but your telling me LHGCL referees are looking to use the yellow card to control games horse sh....t

Zizou wrote:You are one referee, but your telling me LHGCL referees are looking to use the yellow card to control games horse sh....t

You may want to read my post again, but I did not say that at all...

But how about when I warn a player (U13 Boy) for diving and then card him when he dove again.. And then the dad literally wants to fight me after the game...

Refs fault too??

So what are you saying, everything is okay and let's continue on.

Zizou wrote:So what are you saying, everything is okay and let's continue on.

Only what I said... Sorry, but that's all.

But what I will say is:

Refs always get on here and say "get your Ref Badge!!" That is not realistic, but I can say 150% for sure that if anyone of you actually Reffed 5 SDL games, you would come away hating the parents... And that is a guarantee....

soccersounder wrote:But what I will say is:

Refs always get on here and say "get your Ref Badge!!" That is not realistic, but I can say 150% for sure that if anyone of you actually Reffed 5 SDL games, you would come away hating the parents... And that is a guarantee....

For sure...I would definitely hate myself if I was a ref

Saw two yellows given out last week in SDL. But very few anywhere else.

soccersounder wrote:

MoveYourFeet wrote:

Lefty wrote:

MoveYourFeet wrote:I've seen 2 reds given in one game to the same team (U-15).

Words or weapons?

Nothing like that. Just dangerous rough play.

But my boy, at U-9 was taken down from behind when he didn't even have the ball.
It was long gone on towards goal when the foul occurred. Only after the ref realized my
son's ankle was broken that he then gave a yellow card to the other player. That kid shrugged
and kept playing in the game, while my son spent last summer on crutches in cast.

So your point is??

The Refs do hand out cards (2 Reds in your daughters game) OR they don't (when your son was injured)???

My point is.... I've seen cards handed out, and at times they aren't.
Those are my stories, and I'm sticking to them.

The referee excuse, it easier to call nothing and then no one has a reason to be upset get paid and do it all over again.

soccersounder wrote:Everyone is an expert in here when it comes to Refing a game..

We used to have several Refs in here to represent... But I'll hold the weight on this one...

I'm a Ref. My policy is to go out and find the yellow(s) in every U14 Girls game and above (U13 for boys) game I Ref.. I know there will be yellows and it is my job to find them. I almost always do...

But for the younger age groups, I ONLY card for intentional pushes or worse off the ball or language... Any other foul, I can yell at the kid and they almost always tear up... These are pre-teens and not National Team players.. That is how I do it.. If you don't agree. I don't care.. I'm a parent too, so I know it is hard not to be bias when our DDs are playing. But I can Ref a game and have a mom tell me I'm the worse Ref EVER and a dad on the SAME TEAM tell me I am the best Ref they ever had...

But I aims to please...

But would you not agree that the same girl you just told to stop is usually the one with the elbow that flys out 6 more times? It only stops when she's put on her butt and starts crying (funny how the worst offenders end up being the biggest criers). Wouldn't a show of a card and the threat of being removed from the game been more effective?

Referees do not use the yellow card enough in the younger ages. Parents and players are conditioned that the yellow card is the end of the world. When it is just a warning to a player to stop a behavior. That is why basketball has five fouls and your out. Coaches and players are conditioned not to commit more than five fouls in a game. Each foul is a warning.

If a referee after throwing a yellow card at a player the player does not stop the behavior instead of using a red card the ref can ask the coach to remove the player from the game letting the coach speak with the player why she has been substituted from the game not eliminated for the contest. Maybe the coach can speak with the player about the situation coaching them that it hurts the team that they are not in the game because they cannot control themselves.

You are asking more from the Ref's than I am. We already have coaches to teach the girls. We just need the Ref's to keep the game under control. If more Yellows were issued, I think the game would revert back to skills and speed. I understand that soccer has more subjective rules than other sports but I can't think of a reason why a ref wouldn't card a girl using hands to shove or strike another player. Yet I see it multiple times each game. It has become an expected part of the game. Everyone sees it but no one calls it. Ref's shouldn't have to worry about parents. While the adults should police themselves, it really is the coach's job to keep their team and supporters in line not the Refs. I want their attention focused on the field.

Driver wrote:You are asking more from the Ref's than I am.  We already have coaches to teach the girls.  We just need the Ref's to keep the game under control.  If more Yellows were issued, I think the game would revert back to skills and speed.  I understand that soccer has more subjective rules than other sports but I can't think of a reason why a ref wouldn't card a girl using hands to shove or strike another player.  Yet I see it multiple times each game.  It has become an expected part of the game.  Everyone sees it but no one calls it.  Ref's shouldn't have to worry about parents.  While the adults should police themselves, it really is the coach's job to keep their team and supporters in line not the Refs.  I want their attention focused on the field.

Agree 100%. The players start seeing some Yellow Cards being given...there will be less fouls and better, more skilled soccer. Sure, there will still be fouls...but its part of the game. There are fouls/penalties called in all the other sports at this age because its part of the game...so why not in soccer.

As for the parents...they are always going to scream and yell when a call doesn't go their way...but who cares...that's part of it too. Refs just have to brush it off and be confident in their calls and not let whiny parents or coaches dictate how they call a game.

Good luck to you parents and teams entering LHGCL. League games are not controlled fields are battle grounds not soccer pitches. My DD has 8 games left in LHGCL. I don't know if the next level is any better, but the LHGCL experience has been a load of crap. We have no further to look than in our leagues why our DD are passed on at the national level. The continuos allowance of players to physically control games and the league and referees to allow this is wrong!

canaryman wrote:

Driver wrote:You are asking more from the Ref's than I am.  We already have coaches to teach the girls.  We just need the Ref's to keep the game under control.  If more Yellows were issued, I think the game would revert back to skills and speed.  I understand that soccer has more subjective rules than other sports but I can't think of a reason why a ref wouldn't card a girl using hands to shove or strike another player.  Yet I see it multiple times each game.  It has become an expected part of the game.  Everyone sees it but no one calls it.  Ref's shouldn't have to worry about parents.  While the adults should police themselves, it really is the coach's job to keep their team and supporters in line not the Refs.  I want their attention focused on the field.

Agree 100%.  The players start seeing some Yellow Cards being given...there will be less fouls and better, more skilled soccer.  Sure, there will still be fouls...but its part of the game.  There are fouls/penalties called in all the other sports at this age because its part of the game...so why not in soccer.

As for the parents...they are always going to scream and yell when a call doesn't go their way...but who cares...that's part of it too.  Refs just have to brush it off and be confident in their calls and not let whiny parents or coaches dictate how they call a game.

yes and playing with a yellow could put the brakes on fouling if the coach and the player knows they are just a foul away from playing a man down and sitting out a game...

Zizou wrote:Good luck to you parents and teams entering LHGCL. League games are not controlled fields are battle grounds not soccer pitches. My DD has 8 games left in LHGCL. I don't know if the next level is any better, but the LHGCL experience has been a load of crap. We have no further to look than in our leagues why our DD are passed on at the national level.

i understand, the level of cheap shot play in the older girls leagues is ridiculous. i have seen elbows thrown when the ball is already 20 yards away. no card. just cheap shots that are condoned by lazy refs...

silentparent wrote:

canaryman wrote:

Driver wrote:You are asking more from the Ref's than I am.  We already have coaches to teach the girls.  We just need the Ref's to keep the game under control.  If more Yellows were issued, I think the game would revert back to skills and speed.  I understand that soccer has more subjective rules than other sports but I can't think of a reason why a ref wouldn't card a girl using hands to shove or strike another player.  Yet I see it multiple times each game.  It has become an expected part of the game.  Everyone sees it but no one calls it.  Ref's shouldn't have to worry about parents.  While the adults should police themselves, it really is the coach's job to keep their team and supporters in line not the Refs.  I want their attention focused on the field.

Agree 100%.  The players start seeing some Yellow Cards being given...there will be less fouls and better, more skilled soccer.  Sure, there will still be fouls...but its part of the game.  There are fouls/penalties called in all the other sports at this age because its part of the game...so why not in soccer.

As for the parents...they are always going to scream and yell when a call doesn't go their way...but who cares...that's part of it too.  Refs just have to brush it off and be confident in their calls and not let whiny parents or coaches dictate how they call a game.

yes and playing with a yellow could put the brakes on fouling if the coach and the player knows they are just a foul away from playing a man down and sitting out a game...

Players would then be conditioned to play the game without even getting a yellow card. Coaches would train players in their play that would prevent them from warnings and even ejections

Zizou wrote: Parents and players are conditioned that the yellow card is the end of the world.

This is quite true and I'm not sure how it happened. The yellow is a GREAT tool to control and sometimes change the entire complexion of the game. I always told the kids at kickoff "we're playing with SKILL today ladies/gents", and I meant it. The paperwork excuse is BS. Its not that hard.