D2 scores on this day

Any scores on this cold day from D2?

Sting North 1- Celtic -1

Fever 4
Dynasty 0

Big win for the Waco Texans this weekend over FCD Red.

scoregazam wrote:Big win for the Waco Texans this weekend over FCD Red.

That is a big win and i do think that was there first win. Congrats to the Waco Texans. With Fever winning on Sunday I don't think Fcd red can make D1! Waco knocked Fcd red out!

I would bet that Waco had some player passes. They lost 5-0 to Dunstan on Sat. And then beat FCD on Sunday, a day that D1 teams had off.

02mommy wrote:I would bet that Waco had some player passes. They lost 5-0 to Dunstan on Sat. And then beat FCD on Sunday, a day that D1 teams had off.

I would have to agree with you they probably did. 02mommy fcd could have used player pass to if they have room to add? I don't belong to that team nor do i belong to texans so I wouldn't know. I was giving congrats to the team and the girls that won. I would hate to see a team go winless and I won't lie I'm hoping that Cosmos can pull one out too this year!

02mommy wrote:I would bet that Waco had some player passes. They lost 5-0 to Dunstan on Sat. And then beat FCD on Sunday, a day that D1 teams had off.

Careful...will get some mom and dads all riled up if you mention that a team might be using Club Passes to keep from being relegated.   Obviously that doesn't happen.......Either way good win for the TEXANS CLUB!

What am I missing? How could Waco use a player pass if they only have one team in LH? I thought it was only to be used within a club?

mommabear1 wrote:What am I missing?  How could Waco use a player pass if they only have one team in LH?  I thought it was only to be used within a club?

WACO TEXANS... DALLAS TEXANS... The Texans bought them last year..

Ah! Did not realize that ;-)

Should be easy enough to corroborate vs. speculate, right?

Somebody knows someone on Waco Texans, or DTS and can confirm if CPP players were used and if they were "impact" players used to get a result.

Or somebody knows the manager for FCD South Red who had to print out the game card for the game that clearly identified the CPP players on their opponent's roster.

Or somebody knows a parent on FCD South Red who talked to the manager at the game. I'd be surprised if the manager said nothing to any of the other parents.

My DD's opponent used CPP players this weekend and the word was completely up and down the sideline 30 minutes before the whistle blew to start the game.

There were three to four girls wearing different style of uniforms, which clearly indicated they were not Waco. Sad to say, but those girls were the difference in the game.

El Rey wrote:There were three to four girls wearing different style of uniforms, which clearly indicated they were not Waco. Sad to say, but those girls were the difference in the game.

If all rules were followed, then both managers should have documentation via the game card that was submitted, which contained the rosters for the day, and should clearly note who any CPP's were.

If that is the case, and this was done purely to gain a result, and it was successful, then that is sad to hear and I will take my duly deserved public flogging for being wrong on this one.

I haven't been on here as much since FCD seemed to get their act  together with losing their head snake last year.. but this team.. maybe it wasn't that manager.. seems like everyone is still leaving.. I heard, and someone please let me know if my info isn't right, but 3 players have left this team? I heard many more are planning on leaving to.    maybe you guys have been pointing your fingers at the wrong people. Hope it works out for your team. Looks like many have it out for you, including your own people.

Can't confirm if they played but I did confirm there were 3 girls on their roster that were using player pass.

BWG,  I think we ALL are learning the effects of the new rule.
I think most CPP use is for the right reasons....I bet about 10% is not
And SOME results/standings  are starting to be influenced

I have heard that one of the FCD players who left over the winter was due to the fact that their DD wasn't named a starter the moment she returned from an injury. God forbid the coach wanting too ease her back into things. I have heard other teams have problems with this particular parent. I can't speak for any other girls who left that team.

I have heard that this was team number three or four in two years for her. Danger Will Robinson.

SolarPower00 wrote:

BWG,  I think we ALL are learning the effects of the new rule.
I think most CPP use is for the right reasons....I bet about 10% is not
And SOME results/standings  are starting to be influenced

Well, I was the big one on here saying "show me the proof", "show me the data"... and I unfortunately can't ignore the data that I've been getting over the past couple of weeks.  

Here is what the data is telling me...

- There are coaches/teams out there that could be using CPP for either "legitimate" reasons, or for competitive advantage under the guise of "legitimate" reasons, but have distinctly decided not to.
- There are coaches/teams out there that are using CPP for "legitimate" reasons (i.e. injury backfill and/or development opportunities).

However,

- Based on what I directly know of and/or been told, the large majority of CPP's are playing "down".  I'm going to say it's in the neighborhood of 5 or 6 to 1 for CPP's playing "down" vs. playing "up" on the CPP cases that I'm aware of.  My data is certainly not comprehensive, and it could be wrong (and I'd love for Duncan to come on here and tell me so), but I don't think I'm that far off.  If CPP was truly about development and not competitive advantage, there's no way the ratio is anywhere close to that high.  

- I'm getting direct input on cases where players from a lower division team are losing significant minutes to CPP's from upper division teams.  Some parents are getting upset about it, and some parents are o.k. with it (I still am having a hard time grasping the latter attitude, but I can no longer deny that it's out there).

- I've heard of at least 2 instances already where from the outside looking in, it's very hard to argue that players were brought down for any reason other than to help influence a result, and they appear to have been successful.  (...and NO, my DD's team wasn't involved in either of those.  They weren't even in the same age group as my DD).

What I would hope, is that at the end of the Spring season, LHGCL goes back and reviews the CPP data.  Specifically, take a look at what the ratio of CPP's playing "down" vs. playing "up" was.  That should be a very telling statistic, and I would say that if the ratio is higher than 60-40 or maybe even 70-30 for playing down vs. playing up, they should take a look a tweaking the rule to drive the balance to be closer to 50-50.

bwgophers wrote:

SolarPower00 wrote:

BWG,  I think we ALL are learning the effects of the new rule.
I think most CPP use is for the right reasons....I bet about 10% is not
And SOME results/standings  are starting to be influenced

Well, I was the big one on here saying "show me the proof", "show me the data"... and I unfortunately can't ignore the data that I've been getting over the past couple of weeks.  

Here is what the data is telling me...

- There are coaches/teams out there that could be using CPP for either "legitimate" reasons, or for competitive advantage under the guise of "legitimate" reasons, but have distinctly decided not to.
- There are coaches/teams out there that are using CPP for "legitimate" reasons (i.e. injury backfill and/or development opportunities).

However,

- Based on what I directly know of and/or been told, the large majority of CPP's are playing "down".  I'm going to say it's in the neighborhood of 5 or 6 to 1 for CPP's playing "down" vs. playing "up" on the CPP cases that I'm aware of.  My data is certainly not comprehensive, and it could be wrong (and I'd love for Duncan to come on here and tell me so), but I don't think I'm that far off.  If CPP was truly about development and not competitive advantage, there's no way the ratio is anywhere close to that high.  

- I'm getting direct input on cases where players from a lower division team are losing significant minutes to CPP's from upper division teams.  Some parents are getting upset about it, and some parents are o.k. with it (I still am having a hard time grasping the latter attitude, but I can no longer deny that it's out there).

- I've heard of at least 2 instances already where from the outside looking in, it's very hard to argue that players were brought down for any reason other than to help influence a result, and they appear to have been successful.  (...and NO, my DD's team wasn't involved in either of those.  They weren't even in the same age group as my DD).

What I would hope, is that at the end of the Spring season, LHGCL goes back and reviews the CPP data.  Specifically, take a look at what the ratio of CPP's playing "down" vs. playing "up" was.  That should be a very telling statistic, and I would say that if the ratio is higher than 60-40 or maybe even 70-30 for playing down vs. playing up, they should take a look a tweaking the rule to drive the balance to be closer to 50-50.

BW-  I will admit I also was wrong...... I was on the forum weeks ago with you.. I thought that the CPP would have been abused much more than it has. And I was wrong. I do know of 3 cases that players were moved down from D1 to D2 in the 02 age group.  In two of those three the 3 CPP's played nearly the entire game while others sat the bench.  The other game the CPP's only played as needed and were subbed into numerous positions to give other players a break. Again, I thought it would be used more than it has been to create an unfair advantage.  

With that being said... I still think it gives an unfair advantage to the larger clubs and leaves the independents who are facing the same struggles as the large clubs (injuries, illnesses, volleyball games, basketball games etc.) at a disadvantage.

I do hope the ones that are attempting to use the CPP within the "spirit of competition" continue to do so.  And for the ones that aren't, I hope their teams continue to struggle and eventually fade away

I think the teams/coaches that abuse the rule should be publicly shamed. It says more about them than their record. I think club pass records should be made public. I should be able to go on got soccer and see what players were borrowed by who. I would use this information to see who you sign my daughter with in the future. I cannot see how any player would sign with coaches like that..

aTmAg wrote:I have heard that one of the FCD players who left over the winter was due to the fact that their DD wasn't named a starter the moment she returned from an injury. God forbid the coach wanting too ease her back into things. I have heard other teams have problems with this particular parent. I can't speak for any other girls who left that team.

It is really a sad thing when someone makes false statements.  Lies like these are the reason so many families have pulled their DDs from this team.  I have had several conversations with this family and the environment, not his DD starting, was the reason he removed her from this team.  Also, this was the second select team and the family is on good terms with their prior coach.  They have suggested various families take their dds over to that team.  Get the facts straight!

Did the other families remove their daughters because they were not starting or did they remove their daughters because of people like YOU?  I would suggest the latter.  While you are spreading lies on this one, it would be great to know why you think ALL OF THE OTHER FAMILIES REMOVED THEIR DAUGHTERS!!  

Instead of making suggestions that slander a family, why not work on fixing the reasons so many families have departed from your team?  I think I heard that one of the girls that guest played in the game  yesterday was one of FCD's former players.  Is that true?  Maybe, just maybe, she would still be there if not for parents like you.  What do ya think? That is not me suggesting lies or offering misinformation, that is me asking an honest question.  Or is honesty something you avoid?

Gophers...I KNOW you are a numbers guy...how do you make these conclusions? Do you have access to the league's CPP data or are you just using the grapevine and what people send via PM.