Last 3 D2 Matches: CPP Questions Posed

Not trying to justify, embellish, spin, or stretch. Just pointing out that when the two teams last met the same result was achieved. If the intent of the CLUB was to avoid relegation, why would they not have used D1 players for all of the games until the team is in the clear? Could there be another reason? Hasn't it already been provided?

Maybe there should be a 14 day disabled list? So an injured player under contract can be placed on the 14 day DL. The player has to miss at least 14 days before she become eligible for another game. During the 14 day period, the team is now eligible for the CPP rule to replace the player on the DL. If the injury is a long term injury, the team can use the CPP rule as intended. If they coach doesn't want to put the roster player out for at least two games, they didn't really need the CPP player did they?

Who wants to play poker with me. Five card draw. I get 14 wilds cards of my choosing, you get zero.

Pale Rider wrote:Same odds as the CPP rule.  I only have a 27% advantage in the first instance and a 9% advantage on the second.  I forgot to mention, this is a LH poker league, so I get 6 days of poker competition (AKA gambling) with my 27% advantage.  To keep it fair, you get the last 3 days with only a 9% disadvantage. Who's in?

 Uh, I'm not following... Please clarify.
See if got this right...
IF:  
1. You get 14 cards (regardless if they're wild or not), are we still playing 5 card draw?
2. You have 25% of the deck and 100% of the wild cards, you only have a 27% advantage?
3. And if you play 6 days with you those 14 wild cards, I get play 3 days without wild cards...

Ok, I'm with you, I've got it. Two questions:

What if it rains on the 2nd day, and do I get Net's player on my team?

Noob wrote:Maybe there should be a 14 day disabled list?  So an injured player under contract can be placed on the 14 day DL.  The player has to miss at least 14 days before she become eligible for another game.  During the 14 day period, the team is now eligible for the CPP rule to replace the player on the DL.  If the injury is a long term injury, the team can use the CPP rule as intended.  If they coach doesn't want to put the roster player out for at least two games, they didn't really need the CPP player did they?    

I think you guys are way over thinking this.  So who is going to verify injuries?  Should there be an injury report issued every Thursday so Vegas can set the line correctly.
I think you guys are just trying to move up the poll in that crazy parent thread.

I'm still so confused why this CPP is even in place. Teams have been dealing with injuries for years previously and never got the opportunity to use "alternate players". If the rule is for development....again, those players that want to develop can 1) guest play with a higher level team 2) seek outside skills development training 3) try out for a higher level team and there are more options than that. What's not fair and logical about how it was previously to this new rule??
The only reason I can see for the rule is either maintain or better the ranking position within the league. No other reason than that. Teams gets plagued with injuries every year! It happens. Our team is sitting on several players with injuries and we haven't used the CPP rule. Has it affected our play? Sure it has but we are dealing with it and if we end up relegating then so be it!!

I'm saying that CPP players are like wild cards. In fact, that is not 100% true, but it's certainly true most of the time. Nobody is looking for CPP to help them develop, they're looking for players that will help them win, right now. I'm also saying not everyone can do this, I think everyone understands that.  Back to my poker analogy.

3/11=.2727 or 27%.  If you have 3CPP on the field and the other team has zero, you have an advantage.  Is it really 27%? Probably not, but it is clearly an advantage.  If it was not an advantage, no team would be doing it.  Now for the poker cards 14/52=.269 or 27%.  If I get 14 wild cards in every deck and you get zero, I have an advantage. Will I have a wild card in every hand? Probably not, but over the course of the day, I'll win. On to the 9%.  1/11=.09 or 9% 5/52=.09 or 9%.  

It is not a perfect analogy but I'm not calling my brother the macro-economist to have him give me the theoretical math equation that'll make it perfect. It illustrates my point which is, there is an advantage for some competitors and a disadvantage for others.

I'll lighten up and end with a macro-economist joke

What's the difference between a large cheese pizza and a macro-economist?
A large cheese pizza can feed a family of four

You get 18 players, use your rosters spots wisely. Maybe get a backup goalie, maybe more forwards. But you only have 18 spots. CPP is a great to play up. CPP will be abused to avoid relegation. LH capitulated to the big clubs and big money.

soccershmocker wrote:You get 18 players, use your rosters spots wisely. Maybe get a backup goalie, maybe more forwards. But you only have 18 spots. CPP is a great to play up. CPP will be abused to avoid relegation. LH capitulated to the big clubs and big money.

That's the answer I was looking for!   
It's all about the money, money, money...

00soccer. you have benefited from the CPP.

Who was the 1st to cross the line? Who was the 1st team to use CPP last fall?

Who is the worse abuser of CPP?
Who has used the most CPP players (#players per match X Matches played) ??

gogirls00 wrote:00soccer. you have benefited from the CPP.

I'm assuming you are directing to question to me. How have I benefitted? My DD's team has never used a CPP.

backofthenet wrote:

saywhat wrote:I know CPP is technically different from dual-rostering ECNL players, but the effect (and abuse) is the same.  It's hard to see D2 teams that use dual rostering ECNL players take issue with teams using CPP.  

So in the event a player is rostered with their LH team prior to being rostered for ECNL, what then? Is that a competitive advantage for a player to sign with their team, then a month later sign with ECNL?

Net, I just heard that SCP had 2 CPP Players from Sting Brown in the DFeeters match (as well as the dual rostered player). Is this true?

Key differences with CPP and ECNL positions. CPPs do not occupy a roster spot, ECNL do, a key trade off for a team that relies on the ECNL player(s). A coach must use each roster spot wisely.

soccershmocker wrote:Key differences with CPP and ECNL positions. CPPs do not occupy a roster spot, ECNL do, a key trade off for a team that relies on the ECNL player(s). A coach must use each roster spot wisely.

Agreed,
A) a dual rostered player does indeed occupy a roster spot on two separate teams.
B) it is probably good idea that a coach use his roster spots wisely.
C) CPP's do come from another club team, without impacting the borrowing team's official roster.

Dual roster is good for the kids... It gives them a path to ECNL without missing game days. But, I am confused why the #2 team in D2 (if true) would use 2 D1 players in a match last week after all the whining and complaining about the abuse of the rule.

The answer is found on the game day roster paperwork. According to the paperwork, SCP used 1 CPP to play goal keeper and she is an '01. This player was added to play in replacement of the injured, regular GK.

As to the original dual rostered player, I know this family well. She only played in 2 games I believe, both in the fall; none in the spring. I'll have to check the paperwork but I also think she was deactivated from the game day roster for the Feet game to make room for the CPP player and not go over the roster limit.

backofthenet wrote:The answer is found on the game day roster paperwork. According to the paperwork, SCP used 1 CPP to play goal keeper and she is an '01. This player was added to play in replacement of the injured, regular GK.

As to the original dual rostered player, I know this family well. She only played in 2 games I believe, both in the fall; none in the spring. I'll have to check the paperwork but I also think she was deactivated from the game day roster for the Feet game to make room for the CPP player and not go over the roster limit.

Net- Good enough for me.

Rabbit, interested to know how some of these "I just heard" things come to life. Things like CPP are listed on each roster for every game. It's not hidden.

I remember in the fall there was a steady flow of claims that SCP was using multiple ECNL players to get the results they were getting. There was even one complaint that made it all the way to a LH board member as to the validity of the players on the SCP roster because of their stats (they lead the league in GF by 6 and have conceded fewer (4) than any other by half), and yet they are #2 not #1 in the league. Yet the complaints came because apparently the results were skewed due to ECNL and now question about the 5-0 win over Feet? Statistically they're the strongest team in the division, and yet still they find themselves looking for help to win the league.

I see no reason for assumption of abuse of rules or freedoms provided by the league.

I can't read intent, but even though the post was directed at you (I would too regarding anything I heard regarding scp) I didn't read Packs post as intending to single out scp in particular as much as pointedly ask the question that many others had stepped up to answer. Since everyone else was "fessing up" regarding CPPs, I would have asked you about it if I had heard something.
I remember that in the SG game the play that we discussed brought the trainers to the GK at the end of the game. Is she okay? Is she the one scp needed to cover? If any?
As both of you know, I have justified SGs use of CPP. And while I don't like the rule, we have benefitted from it without question. Again, I don't think it made us a different team than we already were, it just leveled us back to our stats pre-injury. We have now given up and scored (and won and lost) roughly the same games we did in fall.

I don't think it was singling out in anyway. Feel free to direct questions this way but I may not have an answer. I know several families on Big Blue but not all. I just try to be informed and educated along the way and have friends across the board.

Just to set the record The GK is fine they did bring on a goalie that had tried out for the team in the past and was available.Now as for the five goals against the Feet its was the same line until about ten minutes into the second half and they pulled the starters no ECNL player have played this season. I believe as time goes on and the girls have a better understanding of each others play they will become more consistent unlike the first half of the season. Division 1 or 2 makes no difference to the team they have set plans in place to showcase the girls all over the United States for the next two years LH will be the training field.

00Talent wrote:no ECNL player have played this season

Are you referring to the Spring season?
Because I believe an ECNL player has played this soccer year.

Yes Spring Season I live in the now.

00Talent wrote:Just to set the record The GK is fine they did bring on a goalie that had tried out for the team in the past and was available.Now as for the five goals against the Feet its was the same line until about ten minutes into the second half and they pulled the starters no ECNL player have played this season. I believe as time goes on and the girls have a better understanding of each others play they will become more consistent unlike the first half of the season. Division 1 or 2 makes no difference to the team they have set plans in place to showcase the girls all over the United States for the next two years LH will be the training field.

I thought you "live in the now"?

Maybe it's time to move on and create a new thread?

IB?
Rabbit?
Daddy-o?

Sure. I am good w whatever. I just don't have any ideas right now. Lol. When I come up w something, I will post it. A poll would work I guess

00scrmom wrote:

gogirls00 wrote:00soccer. you have benefited from the CPP.

I'm assuming you are directing to question to me.  How have I benefitted? My DD's team has never used a CPP.

They benefited from the jacked up bye rule that allowed them to take a spot in LH w/o earning it themselves not CPP. Considering that, it is odd 00soccer mom would have such strong opinions about what is fair. Question, did you guys even send an apology to SWW for stealing their spot?