Last 3 D2 Matches: CPP Questions Posed

00scrmom wrote:

gogirls00 wrote:00soccer. you have benefited from the CPP.

I'm assuming you are directing to question to me.  How have I benefitted? My DD's team has never used a CPP.

They benefited from the jacked up bye rule that allowed them to take a spot in LH w/o earning it themselves not CPP. Considering that, it is odd 00soccer mom would have such strong opinions about what is fair. Question, did you guys even send an apology to SWW for stealing their spot?

00scrmom wrote:

gogirls00 wrote:00soccer. you have benefited from the CPP.

I'm assuming you are directing to question to me.  How have I benefitted? My DD's team has never used a CPP.

They benefited from the jacked up bye rule that allowed them to take a spot in LH w/o earning it themselves not CPP.  Considering that, it is odd 00soccer mom would have such strong opinions about what is fair.  Question, did you guys even send an apology to SWW for stealing their spot?

Again, anybody have any popcorn??

backofthenet wrote:Again, anybody have any popcorn??

I was wrong...I can read intent on this one-lol.

My only real thought (other than WOW) is this...SWW was 6th in the final standings and had the chance to earn their way in on the pitch and that didn't have anything to do with DTXFW. SWW seems more consistent this year than last...I smell something.

As to DTXFW stealing SWW's place - they didn't any more than Sting Harr stole someone's position when they moved up to fill a vacant position. I don't believe anyone asked Sting Harr to apologize to teams that couldn't move up due to the fill. I think that the DTXFW are actually doing well having been moved up as they were. If I remember right, Sting Harr really struggled their first year up, but they are now doing very well now. As Dad said, SWW had an opportunity to move up under their own power. We shouldn't blame DT for it. Every player, and every team needs to come to maturity at their own rate.

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It is very weak of her to choose which bogus rules to be indignant about. SWW  however has been the quiet proffessionals but deserve the placement more than dtxfw by a long shot. Imo.

Ina im not sure what you are talking about with regards to the Harr team they won their division to move up.

Daddy-o  what is the story with your goalie.  will she be back this season?
the injury must have been massive. the Ref's need to do a better job of protecting goalies as there are too many serious injuries to these players every season.

InaB wrote:As to DTXFW stealing SWW's place - they didn't any more than Sting Harr stole someone's position when they moved up to fill a vacant position. I don't believe anyone asked Sting Harr to apologize to teams that couldn't move up due to the fill. I think that the DTXFW are actually doing well having been moved up as they were. If I remember right, Sting Harr really struggled their first year up, but they are now doing very well now. As Dad said, SWW had an opportunity to move up under their own power. We shouldn't blame DT for it. Every player, and every team needs to come to maturity at their own rate.

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Sting Harr won DII in the 2011/12 league play, thus earning the D1 promotion. They finished in 9th place D1 for the 2012\13 league play, but were not relegated because of the U14 ECNL departures. They didn't take anybody's spot, so I don't get this accusation as all.

InaB wrote:As to DTXFW stealing SWW's place - they didn't any more than Sting Harr stole someone's position when they moved up to fill a vacant position. I don't believe anyone asked Sting Harr to apologize to teams that couldn't move up due to the fill. I think that the DTXFW are actually doing well having been moved up as they were. If I remember right, Sting Harr really struggled their first year up, but they are now doing very well now. As Dad said, SWW had an opportunity to move up under their own power. We shouldn't blame DT for it. Every player, and every team needs to come to maturity at their own rate.

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Agree...and that said, I said it at the time...IMO, if clubs keep the slot when teams fold, then perhaps they should take a spot in the lowest division...In my ultimate wisdom, I would have given DTFW the club spot...but in D3...thus giving that spot to SWW. Of course, that isn't DTFWs fault, and almost any PPL or ARL team given the chance to jump to LH would do it.

That said, after watching them play a couple times this year, I saw a LOT of growth in DTFW. They appeared to be just hanging on in the fall and trying to keep it close...now, they are challenging for wins.

IMO they are proof positive for the "development" people have snickered about...They will most likely be relegated to D3; however, I feel they are case in point that there are teams in PPL 1 and ARL 1 every year who can be competitive with LH teams (even a division or two above), and though they may not win much, they do make you earn it!

Kudos to DTFW...oh, and if you would have had the time to attract players to "a D2 team" instead of a "going to QT team" it proably would have gone a little differently as well.

Send It wrote:Daddy-o  what is the story with your goalie.  will she be back this season?
the injury must have been massive. the Ref's need to do a better job of protecting goalies as there are too many serious injuries to these players every season.

Ironially, she broke her collarbone in warmups before the game against Spence, and while I agree that refs need to protect GKs more, this was NOT one of those instances...She is doing okay, but has had a long recovery and isn't ready to play in goal, so she will not be back. We will resort to the dreaded and feared CPP until we have a full time keeper...anyone know a keeper who wants to come to McKinney area??

Noob, I wasn't making an accusation, just saying that if a team moves up as DT did, it doesn't mean they are stealing a position from another team.   

Send It...go re-read my post, did I EVER say the CPP rule was unfair??? No, I stated that I didnt understand it! Did I ever say that a team that used the CPP in a game against and it was unfair? NO, I didn't because it would be a mute point now wouldn't it. You called it bogus, not me.

Go take your bitterness somewhere else please. If SWW deserved it then maybe they should have done better last year to promote. DTFW did not take anything from SWW. You think our girls didn't think twice because of the criticism they would get. They were asked by their coach if they wanted to take the bye (and without ANY parental involvement) and they chose to take it to develop themselves as players. They knew it would be tough but they have played with more heart than any other team out there trying to prove themselves and they've been doing a pretty darn good job if I do say so myself.
If anything, go complain to your Sting club...I'm sure they were one of the Big 3 that got the bye rule implemented in the first place just like the Big 3 did the CPP rule!

Ummm....who's SWW?

dadof3 wrote:

InaB wrote:As to DTXFW stealing SWW's place - they didn't any more than Sting Harr stole someone's position when they moved up to fill a vacant position. I don't believe anyone asked Sting Harr to apologize to teams that couldn't move up due to the fill. I think that the DTXFW are actually doing well having been moved up as they were. If I remember right, Sting Harr really struggled their first year up, but they are now doing very well now. As Dad said, SWW had an opportunity to move up under their own power. We shouldn't blame DT for it. Every player, and every team needs to come to maturity at their own rate.

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Agree...and that said, I said it at the time...IMO, if clubs keep the slot when teams fold, then perhaps they should take a spot in the lowest division...In my ultimate wisdom, I would have given DTFW the club spot...but in D3...thus giving that spot to SWW.  Of course, that isn't DTFWs fault, and almost any PPL or ARL team given the chance to jump to LH would do it.

That said, after watching them play a couple times this year, I saw a LOT of growth in DTFW.  They appeared to be just hanging on in the fall and trying to keep it close...now, they are challenging for wins.

IMO they are proof positive for the "development" people have snickered about...They will most likely be relegated to D3; however, I feel they are case in point that there are teams in PPL 1 and ARL 1 every year who can be competitive with LH teams (even a division or two above), and though they may not win much, they do make you earn it!

Kudos to DTFW...oh, and if you would have had the time to attract players to "a D2 team" instead of a "going to QT team" it proably would have gone a little differently as well.

I agree with you Dad, if LH is going to let a club retain a bye then it should go to the lowest division. I'm not sure what the team or club would have thought about it but personally I would have been ok with it. They were previously D3 and would not have had as much pressure (or criticism) put on them as they are getting now in D2.
Appreciate the kudos too...it's been tough on them but am glad to see they have been competing well.

dadof3 wrote:

InaB wrote:As to DTXFW stealing SWW's place - they didn't any more than Sting Harr stole someone's position when they moved up to fill a vacant position. I don't believe anyone asked Sting Harr to apologize to teams that couldn't move up due to the fill. I think that the DTXFW are actually doing well having been moved up as they were. If I remember right, Sting Harr really struggled their first year up, but they are now doing very well now. As Dad said, SWW had an opportunity to move up under their own power. We shouldn't blame DT for it. Every player, and every team needs to come to maturity at their own rate.

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Agree...and that said, I said it at the time...IMO, if clubs keep the slot when teams fold, then perhaps they should take a spot in the lowest division...In my ultimate wisdom, I would have given DTFW the club spot...but in D3...thus giving that spot to SWW.  Of course, that isn't DTFWs fault, and almost any PPL or ARL team given the chance to jump to LH would do it.

That said, after watching them play a couple times this year, I saw a LOT of growth in DTFW.  They appeared to be just hanging on in the fall and trying to keep it close...now, they are challenging for wins.

IMO they are proof positive for the "development" people have snickered about...They will most likely be relegated to D3; however, I feel they are case in point that there are teams in PPL 1 and ARL 1 every year who can be competitive with LH teams (even a division or two above), and though they may not win much, they do make you earn it!

Kudos to DTFW...oh, and if you would have had the time to attract players to "a D2 team" instead of a "going to QT team" it proably would have gone a little differently as well.

Speaking of stealing, the team that was either unable or unwilling to use CPP is the team most likely to be relegated. I see how CPP works now, which asks the question; how does an upper division player "develop" in a lower division? Maybe the spirit of the rule is better when defined by the LH board members. Lucky for us, all clubs, coaches, and managers have the highest standards of integrity and honesty.

00scrmom wrote:Send It...go re-read my post, did I EVER say the CPP rule was unfair???  No, I stated that I didnt understand it!  Did I ever say that a team that used the CPP in a game against and it was unfair?  NO, I didn't because it would be a mute point now wouldn't it.  You called it bogus, not me.

Go take your bitterness somewhere else please.  If SWW deserved it then maybe they should have done better last year to promote. DTFW did not take anything from SWW.  You think our girls didn't think twice because of the criticism they would get.  They were asked by their coach if they wanted to take the bye (and without ANY parental involvement) and they chose to take it to develop themselves as players.  They knew it would be tough but they have played with more heart than any other team out there trying to prove themselves and they've been doing a pretty darn good job if I do say so myself.  
If anything, go complain to your Sting club...I'm sure they were one of the Big 3 that got the bye rule implemented in the first place just like the Big 3 did the CPP rule!

Too funny. You should change your name to high and mighty.

Sorry no love for sting or sting w.

backofthenet wrote:Ummm....who's SWW?

Sting west west. D3

Mmmkk

Send It wrote:

00scrmom wrote:Send It...go re-read my post, did I EVER say the CPP rule was unfair???  No, I stated that I didnt understand it!  Did I ever say that a team that used the CPP in a game against and it was unfair?  NO, I didn't because it would be a mute point now wouldn't it.  You called it bogus, not me.

Go take your bitterness somewhere else please.  If SWW deserved it then maybe they should have done better last year to promote. DTFW did not take anything from SWW.  You think our girls didn't think twice because of the criticism they would get.  They were asked by their coach if they wanted to take the bye (and without ANY parental involvement) and they chose to take it to develop themselves as players.  They knew it would be tough but they have played with more heart than any other team out there trying to prove themselves and they've been doing a pretty darn good job if I do say so myself.  
If anything, go complain to your Sting club...I'm sure they were one of the Big 3 that got the bye rule implemented in the first place just like the Big 3 did the CPP rule!

Too funny.  You should change your name to high and mighty.

Nah...condescending maybe, high and mighty no way. Just call it like I see it and if you think it's above you, that's your issue, not mine.

Orville Redenbacher
Yum!

 

backofthenet wrote:Orville Redenbacher
Yum!

Good stuff!   

InaB wrote:Noob, I wasn't making an accusation, just saying that if a team moves up as DT did, it doesn't mean they are stealing a position from another team.   

I think what Noob was saying is that Harr moved up legitimately by earning their spot in D1 by winning D2. DTXFW did not. They leap frogged QT and D3 to take an unearned spot in D2. So really there is no comparison in the 2 situations. I think a team should have to earn their way into LHGCL, not given a D2 spot! But it is what it is and I don't see it changing.

But if the club holds the bye.....

My point: The rule/privilege may suck, but unless LH manages it, you get what you get (just like CPP). Until the board does it right, we deal with this.

I don't have an issue with DTFW's scenario because it is allowed. Until it is not, rough sledding.

My 2 cents.

backofthenet wrote:Maybe it's time to move on and create a new thread?

IB?
Rabbit?
Daddy-o?

Nah, we're doing pretty good here. We've learned so much and on the cusp of answering the thread's original question... Let's see , according to my notes...

*SCP hasn't used the CPP rule, but did use one ECNL player in 2 matches last Fall
*MaggieMae: explained why they needed CPP.
*Socceroverload: clubs and teams lack credibility when they try to justify, embellish, spin, stretch the truth...
*Maggiemae said she wasn't trying to justify, embellish, spin, stretch the truth...
*SG's GK broke her collar bone last Fall, and used the CPP rule to rotate one of CP's and a PPL keeper this spring.
*SWW=Sting West West, who is currently in 3rd place in D3.
*Pale Rider doesn't know anything about poker, and has an unemployed brother who is a macro economist...
*00talent user pic is still creepy
*Send It: new poster with 6 post
--is bitter that DTFW stole SWW D2 spot, and thinks that DTFW should apologize to SWW
--thinks 00scrmom is "high and mighty"
*InaB thinks that DTFW didn't steal the spot and that ECNL realignment allowed Sting Harr kept its D1 spot
*Noob:
--suggested a 14 day disabled list
--vigorously disagreed with InaB over Harr comparison and accused InaB of making accusations
*Back-of-Net must have the munchies, bc he keeps referring to snack food
*00scrmom is about to put a beat down Sender... And maintains that she isn't high and mighty, but possibly condescending...

Did I miss anything? What was the question again?

Packrabbit wrote:

backofthenet wrote:Maybe it's time to move on and create a new thread?

IB?
Rabbit?
Daddy-o?

Nah, we're doing pretty good here. We've learned so much and on the cusp of answering the thread's original question... Let's see , according to my notes...

*SCP hasn't used the CPP rule, but did use one ECNL player in 2 matches last Fall
*MaggieMae: explained why they needed CPP.
*Socceroverload: clubs and teams lack credibility when they try to justify, embellish, spin, stretch the truth...
*Maggiemae said she wasn't trying to justify, embellish, spin, stretch the truth...
*SG's GK broke her collar bone last Fall, and used the CPP rule to rotate one of CP's and a PPL keeper this spring.
*SWW=Sting West West, who is currently in 3rd place in D3.
*Pale Rider doesn't know anything about poker, and has an unemployed brother who is a macro economist...
*00talent user pic is still creepy
*Send It: new poster with 6 post
--is bitter that DTFW stole SWW D2 spot, and thinks that DTFW should apologize to SWW
--thinks 00scrmom is "high and mighty"
*InaB thinks that DTFW didn't steal the spot and that ECNL realignment allowed Sting Harr kept its D1 spot
*Noob:
--suggested a 14 day disabled list
--vigorously disagreed with InaB over Harr comparison and accused InaB of making accusations
*Back-of-Net must have the munchies, bc he keeps referring to snack food
*00scrmom is about to put a beat down Sender... And maintains that she isn't high and mighty, but possibly condescending...

Did I miss anything? What was the question again?

Great summary pack!