04 PrimeTime Sports Summer Classic - Accepted Teams

We will be at RASE practice tonight to fill that vacancy.   

Soccapeeps wrote:We will be at RASE practice tonight to fill that vacancy.   

Thought you were a hater?  

Just FYI .. New location for RASE practice tonight, 5:30-7:00pm at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington.

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Just FYI ..  New location for RASE practice tonight,  5:30-7:00pm at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington.

get ready to start underachieving then.

sota34 wrote:

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Just FYI ..  New location for RASE practice tonight,  5:30-7:00pm at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington.

get ready to start underachieving then.

Ouch. True, but ouch.

sota34 wrote:

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Just FYI ..  New location for RASE practice tonight,  5:30-7:00pm at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington.

get ready to start underachieving then.

I guess it's the venue that makes the team?? You may want to reconsider where YOUR DD plays (practice) at then.  

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:

sota34 wrote:

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Just FYI ..  New location for RASE practice tonight,  5:30-7:00pm at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington.

get ready to start underachieving then.

I guess it's the venue that makes the team?? You may want to reconsider where YOUR DD plays (practice) at then.  

i would fire the GM before changing venues.

sota34 wrote:

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:

sota34 wrote:

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Just FYI ..  New location for RASE practice tonight,  5:30-7:00pm at Cowboys Stadium in Arlington.

get ready to start underachieving then.

I guess it's the venue that makes the team?? You may want to reconsider where YOUR DD plays (practice) at then.  

i would fire the GM before changing venues.

  

TAFKAMB wrote:

jsullivan81 wrote:

go99 wrote:I don't think so but I guess we will see.  But I would certianly make sure before I start building a team around her

Well, what fun would that be?

It's always possible that girls will leave the "top team". It's happened at SRSA so may well happen with RASE.

I hear that there are two RASE 04 girls who are considering different top 03 teams for July. Just rumors maybe but perhaps true. Wouldn't be the first time.

lol I could see rase losing girls to other top 04 teams but don't really see the going to 03 teams. Where would they go SRSA?

Be careful, the Liverpool parents might write a letter condemning these malicious rumors!

no I am working on a letter from the team to post condemning these rumors.

RASE is no different from any other team. Now is the time you start closing ranks and solidifying rosters. Teams will try and poach from rase and I sure as hell would try to poach from any other team with a top player (feel free to PM apparently 2 spots are about to open up). It's that time of year with player movement and when parents become less than sincere. I think RASE is solid but we won't really know until signing day

go99 wrote:lol I could see rase losing girls to other top 04 teams but don't really see the going to 03 teams.  Where would they go SRSA?

Unlikely but there are several top 03 teams with ECNL pathways. I know LP tells you that it doesn't matter and you can try out on any ECNL team when the time comes but obviously the first teams for Solar, FC Dallas, Sting, and Texans all will transition a majority of their girls with existing chemistry and friendships directly to those ECNL squads. If you know you want to play ECNL, it would seem logical to make a change sooner than later. Not required, but again, it makes sense.

BalloonBoy wrote:

TAFKAMB wrote:

jsullivan81 wrote:

go99 wrote:I don't think so but I guess we will see.  But I would certianly make sure before I start building a team around her

Well, what fun would that be?

It's always possible that girls will leave the "top team". It's happened at SRSA so may well happen with RASE.

I hear that there are two RASE 04 girls who are considering different top 03 teams for July. Just rumors maybe but perhaps true. Wouldn't be the first time.

First time posters may know some insight on RASE. You gotz to Luv It!!

BalloonBoy wrote:

go99 wrote:lol I could see rase losing girls to other top 04 teams but don't really see the going to 03 teams.  Where would they go SRSA?

Unlikely but there are several top 03 teams with ECNL pathways. I know LP tells you that it doesn't matter and you can try out on any ECNL team when the time comes but obviously the first teams for Solar, FC Dallas, Sting, and Texans all will transition a majority of their girls with existing chemistry and friendships directly to those ECNL squads. If you know you want to play ECNL, it would seem logical to make a change sooner than later. Not required, but again, it makes sense.

I am not so sure that is the case about transfering the majority of their girls intact. But I can tell your club has sold you on "the pathway" The pathway to ECNL and everything else is being better than your peers. Now if a person is unsure of their dd's ability then yes I would recommend getting an early start over to the ECNL club so you can get pressing your lips to the right sets of a$$cheeks.

go99 wrote:

BalloonBoy wrote:

go99 wrote:lol I could see rase losing girls to other top 04 teams but don't really see the going to 03 teams.  Where would they go SRSA?

Unlikely but there are several top 03 teams with ECNL pathways. I know LP tells you that it doesn't matter and you can try out on any ECNL team when the time comes but obviously the first teams for Solar, FC Dallas, Sting, and Texans all will transition a majority of their girls with existing chemistry and friendships directly to those ECNL squads. If you know you want to play ECNL, it would seem logical to make a change sooner than later. Not required, but again, it makes sense.

I am not so sure that is the case about transfering the majority of their girls intact.  But I can tell your club has sold you on "the pathway"  The pathway to ECNL and everything else is being better than your peers.  Now if a person is unsure of their dd's ability then yes I would recommend getting an early start over to the ECNL club so you can get pressing your lips to the right sets of a$$cheeks.  

Not always the case. I'd say unless you are the cream of the crop, then being mentored by the ECNL coach on a daily basis/weekly does go a long way. If you are clearly elite, then you will have a spot anyway. With the majority however, it is all about splitting hairs. Putting in time and rapport will only help you come tryout time. That isn't a load of bull, that is just logical.

so when you went into Solar, FCD, Texans. Sting at for the U2's and then when ECNL comes around and you are not put on the team inspite of all of the great friendships and chemistry you have created do you get a refund?

On a serious note. I have tried to wrap my head around it but haven't got it yet. The East and West coast seem to have some top clubs putting out amazing talent. I am seeing national team players and better college signings than here in texas. They also have ECNL but seem to lack the it's the end all be all of soccer and the only real path mentality. So why is it the prevailing mentailty here. Is it because we are the home of big money soccer controlled by the bigs who like to steer the dialogue to their benefit. You must play ECNL so you have to leave your indie club or team otherwise you will never get to play real soccer. RASE could be the best team on the planet but it won't matter because they aren't ECNL. ECNL seems to have a bigger hold than the boys academy league and it is at least run by the US federation. ECNL is just another governing body that inserts itself to make money off kids soccer. Now to be clear I am not a ECNL hater (though I wish the USSF academy would do a girls league also) I am just trying to grasp the mentality

tpitty wrote:

go99 wrote:

BalloonBoy wrote:

go99 wrote:lol I could see rase losing girls to other top 04 teams but don't really see the going to 03 teams.  Where would they go SRSA?

Unlikely but there are several top 03 teams with ECNL pathways. I know LP tells you that it doesn't matter and you can try out on any ECNL team when the time comes but obviously the first teams for Solar, FC Dallas, Sting, and Texans all will transition a majority of their girls with existing chemistry and friendships directly to those ECNL squads. If you know you want to play ECNL, it would seem logical to make a change sooner than later. Not required, but again, it makes sense.

I am not so sure that is the case about transfering the majority of their girls intact.  But I can tell your club has sold you on "the pathway"  The pathway to ECNL and everything else is being better than your peers.  Now if a person is unsure of their dd's ability then yes I would recommend getting an early start over to the ECNL club so you can get pressing your lips to the right sets of a$$cheeks.  

Not always the case. I'd say unless you are the cream of the crop, then being mentored by the ECNL coach on a daily basis/weekly does go a long way. If you are clearly elite, then you will have a spot anyway. With the majority however, it is all about splitting hairs. Putting in time and rapport will only help you come tryout time.  That isn't a load of bull, that is just logical.

LMAO yep I certianly see plenty of kids in the academy league that if they had spent less time on rapport and more on the soccer game they wouldn't be so awful with everyone wondering "how did this kid end up here". Do those ECNL coaches have special ECNL dust or something? Believe me you need to get in early and grease the wheels a bit before tryouts. Every little bit helps and we certianly wouldn't want to leave it to our kids ability alone. After all it's not what you know it's who you know

go99 wrote:so when you went into Solar, FCD, Texans. Sting at for the U2's and then when ECNL comes around and you are not put on the team inspite of all of the great friendships and chemistry you have created do you get a refund?

On a serious note.  I have tried to wrap my head around it but haven't got it yet.  The East and West coast seem to have some top clubs putting out amazing talent.  I am seeing national team players and better college signings than here in texas.  They also have ECNL but seem to lack the it's the end all be all of soccer and the only real path mentality.  So why is it  the prevailing mentailty here.  Is it because we are the home of big money soccer controlled by the bigs who like to steer the dialogue to their benefit.  You must play ECNL so you have to leave your indie club or team otherwise you will never get to play real soccer.  RASE could be the best team on the planet but it won't matter because they aren't ECNL.  ECNL seems to have a bigger hold than the boys academy league and it is at least run by the US federation.  ECNL is just another governing body that inserts itself to make money off kids soccer.  Now to be clear I am not a ECNL hater (though I wish the USSF academy would do a girls league also)  I am just trying to grasp the mentality

A refund? -- uh, you still pay for soccer anywhere you go. Might as well be at a place with the ceiling isn't capped at Premiere League.

ECNL-- Hopefully this governing body handle it the right way. I know ODP has failed for the most part. The gateway to play is there, the concept of the best coming out of an area is a solid one. Seems to be a great recruiting tool for colleges by cutting down on trips made to individual teams. One stop shop.

go99 wrote:no I am working on a letter from the team to post condemning these rumors.  

  

tpitty wrote:

go99 wrote:so when you went into Solar, FCD, Texans. Sting at for the U2's and then when ECNL comes around and you are not put on the team inspite of all of the great friendships and chemistry you have created do you get a refund?

On a serious note.  I have tried to wrap my head around it but haven't got it yet.  The East and West coast seem to have some top clubs putting out amazing talent.  I am seeing national team players and better college signings than here in texas.  They also have ECNL but seem to lack the it's the end all be all of soccer and the only real path mentality.  So why is it  the prevailing mentailty here.  Is it because we are the home of big money soccer controlled by the bigs who like to steer the dialogue to their benefit.  You must play ECNL so you have to leave your indie club or team otherwise you will never get to play real soccer.  RASE could be the best team on the planet but it won't matter because they aren't ECNL.  ECNL seems to have a bigger hold than the boys academy league and it is at least run by the US federation.  ECNL is just another governing body that inserts itself to make money off kids soccer.  Now to be clear I am not a ECNL hater (though I wish the USSF academy would do a girls league also)  I am just trying to grasp the mentality

A refund? -- uh, you still pay for soccer anywhere you go. Might as well be at a place with the ceiling isn't capped at Premiere League.

ECNL--  Hopefully this governing body handle it the right way. I know ODP has failed for the most part. The gateway to play is there, the concept of the best coming out of an area is a solid one. Seems to be a great recruiting tool for colleges by cutting down on trips made to individual teams. One stop shop.

This is EXACTLY the point. If you know your DD is likely headed toward ECNL then why not spend the money and build chemistry and rapport with a group of girls more likely to get there at least in part together? Why spend the same money for 2-3 years knowing in the end you will be changing teams. I don't get it. A higher portion of RASE girls versus other teams should be able to play ECNL if they wanted.

Sure all is not locked down anywhere, but yes, the top teams at each ECNL club take that vast majority of girls who WANT to play ECNL with them to the ECNL squads.

A team like RASE can pretty much jump to an ECNL club at any time.

the problem is you assume all coaching is the same or infact at younger ages doesn't matter. So if your DD is in a great spot learning to play but lets say is a TX spirit/ RASE/ Fever/odyessey. What you are saying is she has to leave her club now and go to a spot who may not be as good as developing her talents. ECNL is nothing more than a showcase. But before you showcase shouldn't you actually learn how to play? And also Why is it that both coast don't seem to see ECNL as the only showcase vehicle but we do.

The USSF Academy was created because ODP had become too political...friendship/alliances/owed favors were outweighing talent. Secondly, ODP was focusing too heavily on the showboat players that would be easy to notice in 1 game.
As we all learned from the olympics, you need quality players that can actually play on a TEAM. Thus the academy approach.

Side effect of the USSF Academy was that it was limited to the big clubs, which turned out to be a huge marketing tool for them. Big girls clubs decided that they wanted to create an exclusive league for the "elite" clubs, and formed the Elite Clubs National League (ECNL). So yes, it really is about money, because there is no association with USSF. But...it does tend to group the more talented girls together to make it more efficient/cost effective for college recruiters.

TAFKAMB wrote:A team like RASE can pretty much jump to an ECNL club at any time.

No... Only if none of the other teams have a top 5 team which they all always do save Feet. They may be able to jump to Feet however (if LFS doesn't first    )

Still several years to go and we have to assume top teams will get stronger poaching from RASE as we get closer to ECNL. At that point it will be even harder for an entire team to jump into say Sting or Solar.