Will Sting fire JD?

I will agree that all the clubs recruit they all live in glass houses.

What I heard was that this was not a coach trying to pick up a kid.

This was mid season and about offering a no dues to either club and free uniforms from Sting, etc. And then continuing to contact coaches at Sting on behalf of the players on the team since they didn't want to go with JD and offering them spots with other teams. When that didn't work they continued trying to bully them to get what they wanted.

Rules, no rules....it's just wrong. Get though the season and then do what you want.

proven/not proven, rumors/facts, claims, counter-claims...whatever.

The problem as I see it for my dd is the old addage "where there is smoke there is fire". I simply think there are problems there that will translate into a negative soccer experience for my dd. If he wants to be the coach he has the potential to be, he needs to publicly come clean (in more ways than one), and begin to regain confidence of concerned parents.

My older bb had a skills coach that was absolutely phenomenal. But he was an alcoholic. Although my bb was progressing nicely skills wise, the other aspects caused my bb a lot of mental anguish. I attended each and every session to "babysit", but it still wasn't enough. Between him not showing up, showing up drunk, or in jail for getting drunk and beating his wife, it just became too much. I learned a valuable lesson that makes me shy away from that situation again...so when my dd had a chance to be on a JD team - we passed. (more like ran the opposite direction). My recommendation is to stay away for now.
But if you are like my teenagers, I can talk until I am blue in the face trying to get you to learn from my mistakes...

10sDad wrote:proven/not proven, rumors/facts, claims, counter-claims...whatever.  

The problem as I see it for my dd is the old addage "where there is smoke there is fire".  I simply think there are problems there that will translate into a negative soccer experience for my dd.  If he wants to be the coach he has the potential to be, he needs to publicly come clean (in more ways than one), and begin to regain confidence of concerned parents.

My older bb had a skills coach that was absolutely phenomenal.  But he was an alcoholic.  Although my bb was progressing nicely skills wise, the other aspects caused my bb a lot of mental anguish.  I attended each and every session to "babysit", but it still wasn't enough.  Between him not showing up, showing up drunk, or in jail for getting drunk and beating his wife, it just became too much.  I learned a valuable lesson that makes me shy away from that situation again...so when my dd had a chance to be on a JD team - we passed.  (more like ran the opposite direction).  My recommendation is to stay away for now.  
But if you are like my teenagers, I can talk until I am blue in the face trying to get you to learn from my mistakes...

I agree with you 10s! But be careful last time we talked about coaches getting drunk, getting in fights and getting arrested it got deleted........... But that was the 04 section!

GrandTXSoccer wrote:From what I could gather it was more than just the recruiting aspect of things they were fired up about, there apparently was some financial stuff and a few personal items that really fired them up. If it were simply an issue of players leaving after the season to follow their former coach I don't think much would have come of it. However when you do some of the stuff he was accused of doing it's hard to let it go. Let's be honest, how many times do you see players following their coach after a season and nothing comes of it? Plenty of times.

Also, it all depends on who you speak with when it comes to clubs lining up to get his services. I spoke with a couple of DOC's and it was definitely him pursuing the clubs and not the other way around. Now based upon the level of delusions of grandeur that he apparently lives under I have no doubt he would be telling folks just what a hot property he was, heck I'm even sure he could "produce" emails from the clubs showing how much he was wanted. From what it sounded like to me, there was one club that either believed his story as to why he was let go or simply didn't care and believed that he could bring over his team$ and took the chance. Bottom line though I'd consider a club that hires a coach that now can't coach from the sidelines for the next two years "suckers." It would be like buying a car and not being able to drive it for two years because it was actually a lemon.

Unlike some in this thread I don't care where he coaches and he's never done anything that even remotely affected me, I simply find it all a good NTX soccer soap opera, "As the Soccer World Turns."

Would those be from the same account he "produced" emails from that are now the subject of further review by NTSSA?      Sorry JD - it doesn't help when you build your case on emails you sent to yourself.   

How deep of a hole must you be in to stoop to that level?   

And yet - the deniers keep coming out screaming "nothing to see here"!   

because JD said so!    

Those of you who know JD "so well" - ask him for a copy of the NTSSA findings.  My guess, he will come up with some excuse about how they don't exist.  Or maybe, he can get them sent to him from the same email account he used at the hearing?

In black and white, what happened? If he was suspended as everyone is stating, there has to be some truth. So, what really took place? And what does the suspension mean?

Just like Solar survived the "bait and switch" rumors last year this group of girls will survive the "jd" debate. There are always two sides to every story and as everyone can see both sides aren't coming to any agreements in the foreseeable future. There are issues that go way deeper than the accusations being posted on this forum. But instead of throwing stones let these kids play soccer and let their talents be their voice. Yes, we as parents sign an agreement every year to play with a club. That in no way states that we give up our rights as parents to take our child away from a situation that is both hostile and unhealthy. How an adult/parent "reacts" to a situation when they don't get their way, no matter what the situation is, weighs heavily on my decision to keep my daughter with a team. It's so sad that people are so focused on hate and vengeance that they don't see how their negativity is affecting their child. Maybe both sides can agree that they are now with parents they want to be around and we can all get back to rebuilding our teams in a positive environment. I think both sides can agree that they love their kids and want the best for them. Maybe we should put our efforts into building a relationship with people that want to be with you

RiseAboveIt wrote:Just like Solar survived the "bait and switch" rumors last year this group of girls will survive the "jd" debate. There are always two sides to every story and as everyone can see both sides aren't coming to any agreements in the foreseeable future. There are issues that go way deeper than the accusations being posted on this forum. But instead of throwing stones let these kids play soccer and let their talents be their voice. Yes, we as parents sign an agreement every year to play with a club. That in no way states that we give up our rights as parents to take our child away from a situation that is both hostile and unhealthy. How an adult/parent "reacts" to a situation when they don't get their way, no matter what the situation is, weighs heavily on my decision to keep my daughter with a team. It's so sad that people are so focused on hate and vengeance that they don't see how their negativity is affecting their child. Maybe both sides can agree that they are now with parents they want to be around and we can all get back to rebuilding our teams in a positive environment. I think both sides can agree that they love their kids and want the best for them.  Maybe we should put our efforts into building a relationship with people that want to be with you

Agreed - but that agreement substantially limits what you can do with your daughter for the next year. Wouldn't it be nice to get the laundry out there BEFORE signing??

There are probably 3 sides - including the NTSSA - who instituted the suspension. I would think THAT would carry more weight than your, mine, or even JD's comments. I don't take a 2 year suspension lightly, others may, but at least let them know what it means for their team..

You know, I grew up around family members who are/were alcoholics. I have been around neighbors and co-workers who are. I would say that most of them have been nice people when completely sober and most were jolly when drunk. I spent years trying to understand and support family members and then I went to counseling. Enabling, excusing, and turning a blind eye to them doesn't work - it only makes it worse.

I once had a neighbor who was the party guy of the block. He hosted cookouts almost every weekend. Before the grill was even hot enough to cook on he was six sheets to the wind. But we all overlooked how bad he was because we all liked him - he was just very likeable. Then one Saturday afternoon he decided to do some target practice in his house and started shooting at the crystal glasses his wife had left with a 357 handgun. The third shot he made went through his neighbor's house and struck her toddler asleep in her crib. Fortunately for the baby, she survived with a broken arm.

Too often, we tend to turn a blind eye to people who have a drinking problem because we like them. Drinking is not such a big deal - right? But if we put our children's lives in their hands, and something bad happens, whose fault is it? What if they make bad decisions while under the influence that directly impacts you or your DD? I promise you that they won't mean to do it, but it can and will happen.

Try not to take offense to anything I have said, just understand that someone with a drinking or drug problem can absolutely be charming and devious. They have years of practice at hiding just how bad a problem is.

I don't know if the talked about suspension will make enough of a difference in JD's life to make him get help but I would hope so.

As to your DDs, I would hope that you can make your choice based on what is best for her. A year at this stage in your DD's life can make a huge difference - good or bad.

Best to everyone in this difficult situation. 

onlythetruth wrote:

RiseAboveIt wrote:Just like Solar survived the "bait and switch" rumors last year this group of girls will survive the "jd" debate. There are always two sides to every story and as everyone can see both sides aren't coming to any agreements in the foreseeable future. There are issues that go way deeper than the accusations being posted on this forum. But instead of throwing stones let these kids play soccer and let their talents be their voice. Yes, we as parents sign an agreement every year to play with a club. That in no way states that we give up our rights as parents to take our child away from a situation that is both hostile and unhealthy. How an adult/parent "reacts" to a situation when they don't get their way, no matter what the situation is, weighs heavily on my decision to keep my daughter with a team. It's so sad that people are so focused on hate and vengeance that they don't see how their negativity is affecting their child. Maybe both sides can agree that they are now with parents they want to be around and we can all get back to rebuilding our teams in a positive environment. I think both sides can agree that they love their kids and want the best for them.  Maybe we should put our efforts into building a relationship with people that want to be with you

Agreed - but that agreement substantially limits what you can do with your daughter for the next year.  Wouldn't it be nice to get the laundry out there BEFORE signing??

There are probably 3 sides - including the NTSSA - who instituted the suspension.  I would think THAT would carry more weight than your, mine, or even JD's comments.  I don't take a 2 year suspension lightly, others may, but at least let them know what it means for their team..

I think riseaboveit is stating they removed their DD from you. The hostile environment, now team manager.

Sure JD's manager! (or JD?) Notice you just "joined" us today with your new username.

Can't defend the man, just attack the messenger.

Not the FCD Premier manager and never affiliated with FCD Premier - but good try!.

onlythetruth wrote:Sure JD's manager! (or JD?) Notice you just "joined" us today with your new username.

Can't defend the man, just attack the messenger.

Not the FCD Premier manager and never affiliated with FCD Premier - but good try!.

Yeah, right. You just want to come on here and protect our DD from this horrible monster. Only monsters are the remaining parents at FCD Premier. Starting with the manager.

Keep posting and I will constantly remind everyone on this forum you are with FCD Premier. EVERYTIME! Along with your twin sickofit.

GrandTXSoccer wrote:From what I could gather it was more than just the recruiting aspect of things they were fired up about, there apparently was some financial stuff and a few personal items that really fired them up. If it were simply an issue of players leaving after the season to follow their former coach I don't think much would have come of it. However when you do some of the stuff he was accused of doing it's hard to let it go. Let's be honest, how many times do you see players following their coach after a season and nothing comes of it? Plenty of times.

Also, it all depends on who you speak with when it comes to clubs lining up to get his services. I spoke with a couple of DOC's and it was definitely him pursuing the clubs and not the other way around. Now based upon the level of delusions of grandeur that he apparently lives under I have no doubt he would be telling folks just what a hot property he was, heck I'm even sure he could "produce" emails from the clubs showing how much he was wanted. From what it sounded like to me, there was one club that either believed his story as to why he was let go or simply didn't care and believed that he could bring over his team$ and took the chance. Bottom line though I'd consider a club that hires a coach that now can't coach from the sidelines for the next two years "suckers." It would be like buying a car and not being able to drive it for two years because it was actually a lemon.

Unlike some in this thread I don't care where he coaches and he's never done anything that even remotely affected me, I simply find it all a good NTX soccer soap opera, "As the Soccer World Turns."

Now let me make sure I read you right. JD has never done ANYTHING that even remotely affects you, but you have found yourself having conversations with multiple DOCs concerning him???? Something is amiss there or maybe you're on the shortlist for nosiest soccer parent in NTX..

Your buying a car metaphor is a swing and a miss as well... It is more like Sting renting a car, driving the heck out of it, seeing how it really drives.. And now they get to decide if they want to lease it for a year.. And they are in no rush to make a decision until the mechanic (LHGCL Board and the Appeals) takes a thorough look at it..

Not your DD, just the others.

Regardless of who I am - I wll let the NTTSA's findings speak to JD's character (but I suppose you think they are run by FCD as well).

Well, actually..... Let me ask the question and let you Mill this one over. One of your remaining players parents have a unique position in all this. Ahh, yes, he is a NTSSA Board Member. He was present for ALL meetings starting back from February, but not a single word from him? Not even raising his hand and saying, hey guys, this is not right. Or you can't do this!! I could go in to more details, but I think deep down, really deep down, no matter how shallow and classless you are, you want me to stop. Your parents want me to stop.

Whew! Thank heavens we have good posters like gettingwhipped to jump on here and defend the poor mistreated JD and manager who have been railroaded by NTX soccer and apparently the FCD Premier parents who decided not to follow the delusional coach and ethically challenged manager. Clearly those folks are the real villains in this whole scenario

Man I love a good soap opera.

Yep, JD and where he's coaching (or now not coaching) doesn't affect me one way or another. If they overturned his ban today I would lose a bit of sleep about it, just like I didn't when I heard he was banned (heck I didn't even know the hearing was taking place yet). As I've said before I do enjoy a good soap opera.

Not really all that nosey, just happen to know quite a few folks in the NTX soccer world so I was asked what I knew about JD's departure. I passed along the little I did know and both folks who asked me indicated that he was selling himself hard and his ability to bring his teams with him. At the time I actually indicated that I believed he could get his teams to come based on the few folks I'd talked to. Obviously that wasn't the case and somehow between then and now it went from all but two were willing to make the switch, to only 6 or 7 were willing to make the switch.

You are right, Sting actually doesn't come out too bad in this, they get 6 or 7 players to add to their DI teams and don't have to deal with the baggage of the coach and manager.

Another nice post grandtxsoccer...

Truth is Sting will have some accountability once the process is complete. They would not have vetted the guy as much as needed if some or all of it is true.

FC Dallas cannot just sit back and point fingers either. They employed him for over a year, as a referral of Luis Zuazua... Even today, many at FCD support JD...

On to the next one

gettingwhipped wrote:Well, actually..... Let me ask the question and let you Mill this one over. One of your remaining players parents have a unique position in all this. Ahh, yes, he is a NTSSA Board Member. He was present for ALL meetings starting back from February, but not a single word from him? Not even raising his hand and saying, hey guys, this is not right. Or you can't do this!! I could go in to more details, but I think deep down, really deep down, no matter how shallow and classless you are, you want me to stop. Your parents want me to stop.

As I have stated - I have no affiliation with FCD Premier. If that is the case, then I would think it appropriate to address these questions towards him as well.

You can continue as much as you would like - honestly, doesn't bother me at all.

I continue to refer to the NTSSA findings and sanctions.

GrandTXSoccer wrote:Whew! Thank heavens we have good posters like gettingwhipped to jump on here and defend the poor mistreated JD and manager who have been railroaded by NTX soccer and apparently the FCD Premier parents who decided not to follow the delusional coach and ethically challenged manager. Clearly those folks are the real villains in this whole scenario

Man I love a good soap opera.

Yep, JD and where he's coaching (or now not coaching) doesn't affect me one way or another. If they overturned his ban today I would lose a bit of sleep about it, just like I didn't when I heard he was banned (heck I didn't even know the hearing was taking place yet). As I've said before I do enjoy a good soap opera.  

Not really all that nosey, just happen to know quite a few folks in the NTX soccer world so I was asked what I knew about JD's departure. I passed along the little I did know and both folks who asked me indicated that he was selling himself hard and his ability to bring his teams with him. At the time I actually indicated that I believed he could get his teams to come based on the few folks I'd talked to. Obviously that wasn't the case and somehow between then and now it went from all but two were willing to make the switch, to only 6 or 7 were willing to make the switch.

You are right, Sting actually doesn't come out too bad in this, they get 6 or 7 players to add to their DI teams and don't have to deal with the baggage of the coach and manager.

Oh snap! Don't be critical of whipped! You must be from FCD Premier!!   

soccersounder wrote:Another nice post grandtxsoccer...

Truth is Sting will have some accountability once the process is complete. They would not have vetted the guy as much as needed if some or all of it is true.

FC Dallas cannot just sit back and point fingers either. They employed him for over a year, as a referral of Luis Zuazua... Even today, many at FCD support JD...

On to the next one

AGREED!

FCD can not claim to have clean hands on this.  Don't the alleged financial irregularities go back to a time when JD was with FCD?

What action did they take at that time and since?  Why is this only coming to light after the recruiting violations occurred?

Good heavens I hope I'm not from FCD Premier, apparently dem folks are da debil!

onlythetruth wrote:

gettingwhipped wrote:Well, actually..... Let me ask the question and let you Mill this one over. One of your remaining players parents have a unique position in all this. Ahh, yes, he is a NTSSA Board Member. He was present for ALL meetings starting back from February, but not a single word from him? Not even raising his hand and saying, hey guys, this is not right. Or you can't do this!! I could go in to more details, but I think deep down, really deep down, no matter how shallow and classless you are, you want me to stop. Your parents want me to stop.

As I have stated - I have no affiliation with FCD Premier.  If that is the case, then I would think it appropriate to address these questions towards him as well.

You can continue as much as you would like - honestly, doesn't bother me at all.

I continue to refer to the NTSSA findings and sanctions.

 
May not bother you, but I am sure it is irritating to the parents that don't Share your same ethics and low moral.
 
Keep up the good work. FCD Premier and Chris Ring will be proud of your continued posts. You represent your team, parents, coach and club well.

May want to keep a low profile about the team finances. Having a fundraiser, keeping the final numbers a secret, depositing the funds in a personal business account, then making payments from said business account? As co-treasurer you may want to keep that on the down low. Nationwide is not on your side.

Can we please keep this all to 1 topic, it would be easier for us creepers to follow

thanks

I will let onlythetruth decide which one we all stay on and follow

gettingwhipped wrote:

onlythetruth wrote:

gettingwhipped wrote:Well, actually..... Let me ask the question and let you Mill this one over. One of your remaining players parents have a unique position in all this. Ahh, yes, he is a NTSSA Board Member. He was present for ALL meetings starting back from February, but not a single word from him? Not even raising his hand and saying, hey guys, this is not right. Or you can't do this!! I could go in to more details, but I think deep down, really deep down, no matter how shallow and classless you are, you want me to stop. Your parents want me to stop.

As I have stated - I have no affiliation with FCD Premier.  If that is the case, then I would think it appropriate to address these questions towards him as well.

You can continue as much as you would like - honestly, doesn't bother me at all.

I continue to refer to the NTSSA findings and sanctions.

 
May not bother you, but I am sure it is irritating to the parents that don't Share your same ethics and low moral. 
Keep up the good work. FCD Premier and Chris Ring will be proud of your continued posts. You represent your team, parents, coach and club well.

May want to keep a low profile about the team finances. Having a fundraiser, keeping the final numbers a secret, depositing the funds in a personal business account, then making payments from said business account? As co-treasurer you may want to keep that on the down low. Nationwide is not on your side.

By your standards, JD must be loving this.

I can't believe you would use the term "ethics" in a post defending JD - now THAT is laughable!   

What is laughable is that I have only come on here and insulted you and your classless group of friends. Not once did I defend JD, the previous manager or Sting.

If you can't keep up, you can try to clap out the syllables and I can type slower. We all know you're not the educated one of the bunch.

Would it make you mad if your coach charged you unnecessary fees on top of the normal fees instituted by your club?

Would it make you mad if your coach pocketed those fees without any substantiation of where it was going (with proven cash withdrawals)?

Would it bother you if the manager also made cash withdrawals as well without any substantiated evidence or receipts of where it went?

Would it bother you if the amount of those funds could pay for 7 kids though an entire year of select ball or even buy a mid sized car?

Would you be bothered to know that coach lied to and produced false emails from someone who never sent them, nor owned the account to the local governing body in his defense and was called on it at the scene?

Those things would bother me. Those things supposedly happened.

Now, who to be bothered with? FC Dallas because that is where it happened? Not sure - did they know about the money before he left? They certainly fired him for the alcohol issues, et all.

The manager - they were involved in it. ?? Did it happen on is other teams? If you are an FCD parent, did you ever pay extra fees? Do you know where they went?

The new club ?? they hired him. Did they know this when he was hired? Highly unlikely. Did they know about the recruiting issues? Highly unlikely. Are they backing him now - looks like they are. So, are they naive? He probably sold them a good story.

All I know is that I am glad to know it happened and I know if we were to be looking, which path we would not have to go down. If that is all DD soccer parents take from these postings, that is probably enough.

"bad" people or people with low morals, or whatever some of the postings in this section have described will always "get their own" and usually by their own doing.

blackcleatsoccerfan wrote:Would it make you mad if your coach charged you unnecessary fees on top of the normal fees instituted by your club?

Would it make you mad if your coach pocketed those fees without any substantiation of where it was going (with proven cash withdrawals)?

Would it bother you if the manager also made cash withdrawals as well without any substantiated evidence or receipts of where it went?

Would it bother you if the amount of those funds could pay for 7 kids though an entire year of select ball or even buy a mid sized car?

Would you be bothered to know that coach lied to and produced false emails from someone who never sent them, nor owned the account to the local governing body in his defense and was called on it at the scene?

Those things would bother me.  Those things supposedly happened.

Now, who to be bothered with?  FC Dallas because that is where it happened?  Not sure - did they know about the money before he left? They certainly fired him for the alcohol issues, et all.

The manager - they were involved in it.  ??  Did it happen on is other teams?  If you are an FCD parent, did you ever pay extra fees? Do you know where they went?

The new club ??  they hired him.  Did they know this when he was hired?  Highly unlikely.  Did they know about the recruiting issues?  Highly unlikely.  Are they backing him now - looks like they are.  So, are they naive?  He probably sold them a good story.

All I know is that I am glad to know it happened and I know if we were to be looking, which path we would not have to go down.  If that is all DD soccer parents take from these postings, that is probably enough.

"bad" people or people with low morals, or whatever some of the postings in this section have described will always "get their own" and usually by their own doing.

O M G!  YOU must be the FCD Premier manager!   

the height of the fraud and deceit - trying to lie his way through the hearing by dragging others into the mud with him

and yes, Sting knew why JD was terminated at FCD.  They were warned multiple times.

and FCD?  Did they know about the missing money before JD left?  and if so, what action did they take?