Any other teams who have folded?

DTFW earned a bye into D3 as did Mustangs and they will sit at the top of the D3 food chain. With that being said, the top team (DTFW as relegated) would move up or back to D3.

My real question is "do we have confirmation that Xpress is now defunct?" If they aren't then this whole conversation is moot.

And it is still ultimately up to the Power Dudes in the LH sky to determine who moves and who stays.

So using that logic, FWFC should move back up and not have to requalify, since technically there would be one extra spot open in D3 and they are next in line, right? in the past, the rules said if you were relegated, you were relegated and you basically had to prove through re qualifying that you belong back into your previous division. Same logic should be applied here. If xpress is truly folding and Fever isn't promoted outright, there should be a playoff (without club player pass) among those three teams to determine the promoted team.

And Ina, are you such a Fever hater that you can't see logic? What did DTFw actually earn? Did they even qualify for d3 or were they handed a spot into D2? So the actual question is did they earn or were they demoted a spot into D3.

Kenny, Kenny, Kenny, I am not a Fever hater. I am simply saying what everyone else has said about it. So if I am a hater because of that, it would mean they are all haters too. (Man that's a lot of bad juju.) I love Fever see -->   

Whatever way you would like to put things (semantics wise that is) the question is one we cannot answer on this board. It will be based on whatever rules LH uses. I have seen them do both logical and illogical moves.

(And yes, I can see logic, I can also see dead threads.) (Sorry, my illogical psychic mind made me say that.)

As to whether or not DTFW earned their spot in D2 or were handed it by their club to retain the D2 bye, the point is, they like the Mustangs were relegated and given a bye into D3.

So, even though it feels as if you are a hater of DTFW, I have to think you would find just as much to gripe about if the Mustangs were at the top instead of the DTFW. Or for that matter, any team that prevented you from sliding down the D2 chute.

This is still a moot point (other than for those who just have to argue this into the ground) for two reasons 1) if Xpress is still alive and kicking and 2) LH has the ultimate say.

Peace and Love Kenny, peace and love. (Oh doggies, I am hearing voices singing we are the world. Anyone have smores?)

Found out from a reliable source that if indeed xpress folds, the bye would go to next in line which would be DTFw. Ignore my previous rants...

There is a lot here, but I figured I would chime in at this point...

KennyPowers wrote:So using that logic, FWFC should move back up and not have to requalify, since technically there would be one extra spot open in D3 and they are next in line, right?

Agreed, I think FWFC SHOULD be handed the spot and NOT have to re-qualify...4 spots open.

KennyPowers wrote:in the past, the rules said if you were relegated, you were relegated and you basically had to prove through re qualifying that you belong back into your previous division. Same logic should be applied here. If xpress is truly folding and Fever isn't promoted outright, there should be a playoff (without club player pass) among those three teams to determine the promoted team.

I disagree with this logic. I agree that Fever is as good and can compete in D2...I just don't think you can apply this thought here...if so, then SG hereby challenges EVERY D1 team to their spot in D1...and of course doesn't want to play any D3 or PPL team on the off chance those teams take our spot...
I realize that this is apples to oranges in some ways, but taken to the Nth degree, ANY team could claim that in a game we beat X, so therefore we are as good as X and thus should be in D-whatever...
My point, the season is long and despite the other things at play that stack against some teams...you have the season to EARN the spot once the decision is made. Is it unfair (CPP, other things)? Perhaps, but it would be completely arbitrary without current promotion/relegation "rules" and talk about being slanted towards money...

KennyPowers wrote:And Ina, are you such a Fever hater that you can't see logic?

I didn't see any malice in her post. The sun sealed it for me...I think she kinda likes you!

KennyPowers wrote:What did DTFw actually earn?  Did they even qualify for d3 or were they handed a spot into D2?  So the actual question is did they earn or were they demoted a spot into D3.

This argument is actually a YEAR late re DTFW...Argue against Sting West...Argue against Sting Bruno...same song, different verse. You are RIGHT about the inherent injustice, but until LH cares about N+1 or some other roster stabilizer for promotion/relegation. Teams will be formed/disbanded by clubs...unfortunately, there is no reason for them to do it differently until there is...reason to do it differently (very profound, I know).

Oh, and for what it is worth...I think Fever and DTFW would be an excellent game. Both are quite good, and IMO pretty evenly matched. Those two work to neutralize what the other does well, so I think it would be a VERY tight match.

Someday... Somewhere... Somehow... Somebody out there will think I'm a reliable source...  

(...and then maybe I can get them to try and convince my wife of that...  )



p.s. If Xpress does forfeit their bye, and DTFW is back in D2, then FWFC will get a D3 bye and won't have to go back to QT (unreliably speaking, that is...)

BW, I bow to your reliable sourceness!  

InaB wrote:BW, I bow to your reliable sourceness!  

Thanks Ina! I knew I could count on you for a proper hug.  

Well, let me respond to you, dad...

If you read my posts in entirety, you will note that I said if those are the rules then so be it. The remainder of my rant was just that, a rant and opinion. You're right, Fever had every chance to take care of business during the season thus making this a moot convo. We didn't. So in essence we are where we are supposed to be.

I also said I found out from a reliable source, that DTFw would get the bye. End of that discussion. Good luck to them! No hating.

No malice in Ina's post in this thread but some of her previous posts in other threads suggest otherwise. She doesn't know this, but I secretly have a crush on her so I'm needing her to show me a little Fever love!!

And from my post, you know that I agree with much of your principle argument, and I didn't mean it as a jab that you guys took second...we know how tough the road is-you guys should be congratulated for your success. You posted as I was typing, so we overlapped, so I hear you (I just had worked hard trying to collect some thoughts that I posted anyway). I know from reading for a while that you and Ina have a loving banter built over time...a little like a long-running soap. Sometimes dramatic, sometimes touching, sometimes someone dies and then reappears as another character...We are good man. I wish you well. As I said, if the chips fall...you will do fine in D2.

Dad I would take Fever.   I like things settled on the field and I believe Fever won the last meeting by 3.  Sure there may have been kids missing and what not.   But wouldn't it be cool if the do it like the boys do.   The top 2 from D3 go up.  The bottom 2 from D2 come down and you have 8 spots for qualifying.   That would keep things a bit lively.   Just an opinion, but would be cool in my book.

maxskillz wrote:Dad I would take Fever. I like things settled on the field and I believe Fever won the last meeting by 3. Sure there may have been kids missing and what not.

You may be right, but we played them both, and I thought they were both pretty solid and offered different challenges. Of course, we were a different team to some extent in league in March than we were in June in Flamefest.

maxskillz wrote:But wouldn't it be cool if they did it like the boys do.  The top 2 from D3 go up.  The bottom 2 from D2 come down and you have 8 spots for qualifying.  That would keep things a bit lively. Just an opinion, but would be cool in my book.

It certainly makes it lively...but I have a son over there, and I didn't like it. I think there should be a zone safe from relegation that doesn't have to stress-you earned it with the season. Four may be too few slots, but finishing third and having to fight your guts out to stay...especially when the "prize" for winning the first weekend...only gets you to the second weekend...
Don't get me wrong, I don't mind fighting it out, but with their signing AFTER the QT, it becomes an almost unbearably pressure-packed tournament because if you don't make it...it breaks up teams that were close, but just short.
I guess you do know where you stand BEFORE you sign, but it makes for some awful drama for 11/12/13 year olds...or should I say the parents of those kids.
I like approximately the top half to stay, the bottom half to re-qualify. Maybe five teams from the prior season are in...The group winners after week one are in...if that doesn't fill the bracket, the second weekend is a battle for the remaining spot...settled on the field, but with some that earned it over a season, some that earned it in the QT. Enough spots in the QT that it is pretty open, and it allows coached to build teams rather than start over every year. It is hard to expect loyalty out of a coach who is constantly looking over his shoulder to see if the rug is gonna get pulled out for a bad tournament.

I can confirm that the Xpress 00 team has folded. I won't elaborate. Just wanted to confirm the rumor. Good Luck to all teams this season!!

Well, the girls are going into high school. Some probably have other sports they excel in. Tough to keep making those drives to LH with school, sports, etc.. They were a real good team that accomplished very good things. Good luck to those girls.

mommakris24 wrote:I can confirm that the Xpress 00 team has folded. I won't elaborate. Just wanted to confirm the rumor. Good Luck to all teams this season!!

Hi Momma, thank you for the confirmation. We will miss this team and their excellent play and accomplishments. My best to all of the players and parents.

Got it from a reliable source that FWFC was told today by LHGCL to register for QT. Not sure what is going on... Only time will tell.

And the plot thickens!

This may get interesting.

Same thing happened a few years ago. They don't backfill the D3 spots. They just open up another spot for qualifying

Fwfc does have to requalify. Don't know why. Any thoughts.

1. The Original four teams destined for re-qualifying were Flash, Meja United, Solar White and Gunners. If you remove Solar White, that leaves Flash Meja United and Gunners.
2. Add in DTFW and Mustangs Navy to the list of teams and you have the following:
a) DTFW
b) Mustangs Navy
c) Fever
d) Sting Bruno
e) Meja North
f) Fort Worth FC
g) Dallas Rush Nero
So how do they come up with FWFC needing to qualify? If they are still trying to offer four open slots they should already have that. And even if they want to go to five slots, that should go to Dallas Rush. If Dallas Rush is gone then they still have five open positions.

OH Great LH Dude in the sky, what the heck are you doing?

My reliable source said that lhgcl said and I quote...

"if a team folds and you are next in line, you will move up in the standings. In that case, you will not need to requalify."

Word from higher powers today was that LH did not know yet of a team folding, but they haven't completely gone over all bye paperwork and fee payment  yet

InaB...did you forget the other Meja team?

Why yes I did, Thanks Tex.

sportsnerd wrote:My reliable source said that lhgcl said and I quote...

"if a team folds and you are next in line, you will move up in the standings. In that case, you will not need to requalify."

Word from higher powers today was that LH did not know yet of a team folding, but they haven't completely gone over all bye paperwork and fee payment  yet

If that is the truth then it would make even less sense that FWFC would have to re-qualify.

It's sting Bruno taking SWW spot