'04 LH QT Predictions

dreadpirateroberts wrote:

Soccerjunk wrote:

CBTeamworks wrote:Does Defeeters white get the last spot in D1 with 18 and a 5 goal differentials or does Sting Donovan with 18 pts and a 4 goal differential because they won their bracket?

They did not make it, rightfully so. Never saw tham as a D-1 team.

What a tool.  D'Feet White allowed 1 goal all tourney.  They were 120 seconds from tying texans scott.  Ask any of the Scott parents if they are good enough for D1.  

I feel bad for D'Feet White and Thunder (zero goals against, didn't lose a game). Under the previous year's qualifying rules, they both would have been a real beast to play in week two for the remaining D1 spots. It has to suck to barely miss. The good news, if there is any, is that they are positioned to have a strong year in D3 and be ready for promotion next year.

Cleansheets wrote:

Soccerjunk wrote:

Cleansheets wrote:

dreadpirateroberts wrote:

Soccerjunk wrote:

CBTeamworks wrote:Does Defeeters white get the last spot in D1 with 18 and a 5 goal differentials or does Sting Donovan with 18 pts and a 4 goal differential because they won their bracket?

They did not make it, rightfully so. Never saw tham as a D-1 team.

What a tool.  D'Feet White allowed 1 goal all tourney.  They were 120 seconds from tying texans scott.  Ask any of the Scott parents if they are good enough for D1.  

Yeah stack the box and play the offside trap. That's the only thing that got you 120 seconds from tying Scott.

Yep, only type of soccer they know. Stack 'em deep and keep it cheap. They played same type of soccer against Rase few weeks ago and against another team in a previous tournament. Not worthy of D1. Everyone entitled to own opinion. Saw much better soccer last couple weeks by lot lower ranked teams who went head on with top 10 teams instead of parking the bus. Yes, I said it, parking-the-bus!!!!

"Stack 'em deep and keep it cheap" I like that, you need to get that copywrited.

What y'all need to get is a clue what y'all are talking about. I saw a "top 10 team" do the same thing last weekend and that was a friendly.  So what.

So would you rather be top D3 or bottom of D1. So for the sake of the parents and coach ego to say "We made it into D1". Would it benefit the girls getting hammered each week playing D1 if the team is not D1 ready?

4DaLuvofTheGM wrote:So would you rather be top D3 or bottom of D1. So for the sake of the parents and coach ego to say "We made it into D1". Would it benefit the girls getting hammered each week playing D1 if the team is not D1 ready?

You want to talk about egos? Are you kidding too? Did you see the score of the game today? That was hardly a blowout. C'mon man? As I've said before, the problem is the hatred. That's obvious. Nothing to do with egos. Y'all got that covered.

Agreed.

I don't think anyone came on here complaining about the finish - just noting how close some of the games were and how little separated the final D1 qualifiers from those just out of qualifying.

soccerisfun wrote:Agreed.

I don't think anyone came on here complaining about the finish - just noting how close some of the games were and how little separated the final D1 qualifiers from those just out of qualifying.

Your point was correct. There were a lot of really good teams out there that just missed. Next week will be a great bunch of games also. Good luck to all. Will you be arriving on the UTD bus next week too?....

Peak_Performance_Dad wrote:

GrandTXSoccer wrote:Yep, looks like Kicks are the last ones in at 19 points (unless I miscounted on my phone which is entirely possible).

Congrats to all the teams.  You can probably even start figuring out the schedule, assuming they do it like last years.

How was it done last year?

I was able to figure out the schedule ahead of time last year.  I think I used info from BWGophers so credit goes to him even though he claims it didn't work last year.  This is what I did:

Seeding for the regular season was: Winner of group A is #1.  Winner of group B is #2 and so on.  Last year the other D1 teams were winners of the groups from week two, but I assume you just go down in order of points after the 13 first place teams.

For week 1 it was #1 v #20, #2 v #19 and so on.  After that it got more time intensive.  I had the rank of the '03 teams based on QT and the rank of the '02 teams based on QT.  My daughter is on Texans and we qualified by winning the 12th group.  So I found the 12th '02 team and figured out the rank of team they played each week and then matched that up to the '03 teams.  It was almost perfectly accurate.  The only adjustment came from when the '02s had been rained out and those games had been moved.

I did it while I sat at my daughter's gymnastic class.  It took 20-30 minutes and two pieces of notebook paper.

soccerisfun wrote:Agreed.

I don't think anyone came on here complaining about the finish - just noting how close some of the games were and how little separated the final D1 qualifiers from those just out of qualifying.

Really was a continuation of what a lot of us thought. There are 8-10 teams that can separate themselves from the next 12-14. Each of those groups are pretty close to each other. I'm sure D'Feet White, Thunder, and one or two others who missed out would match up just fine with the bottom half of D1 during a full season.

Thanks.

Clearly a few Argentina haters here - seeing as how they parked the bus against The Netherlands.

Tom P. wrote:

Peak_Performance_Dad wrote:

GrandTXSoccer wrote:Yep, looks like Kicks are the last ones in at 19 points (unless I miscounted on my phone which is entirely possible).

Congrats to all the teams.  You can probably even start figuring out the schedule, assuming they do it like last years.

How was it done last year?

I was able to figure out the schedule ahead of time last year.  I think I used info from BWGophers so credit goes to him even though he claims it didn't work last year.  This is what I did:

Seeding for the regular season was: Winner of group A is #1.  Winner of group B is #2 and so on.  Last year the other D1 teams were winners of the groups from week two, but I assume you just go down in order of points after the 13 first place teams.

For week 1 it was #1 v #20, #2 v #19 and so on.  After that it got more time intensive.  I had the rank of the '03 teams based on QT and the rank of the '02 teams based on QT.  My daughter is on Texans and we qualified by winning the 12th group.  So I found the 12th '02 team and figured out the rank of team they played each week and then matched that up to the '03 teams.  It was almost perfectly accurate.  The only adjustment came from when the '02s had been rained out and those games had been moved.

I did it while I sat at my daughter's gymnastic class.  It took 20-30 minutes and two pieces of notebook paper.

OK this would be the seeding for League Play based on this:


So week 1 scheduled would be:
Texas Spirit 04 vs Dallas Kicks 04
LP Elite 04 vs Sting Guzman
DT South vs Sting North Angell
DT Scott vs TX Spirit North
D'Feeters Black vs DT Stark
LP Owen vs Mustangs
LP Premier vs LP Redknapp
Sting Donovan vs FC Dallas Premier
Sting Chacon vs Sting Cuevas
Odyssey vs Solar Pulpaneck

Interesting question about strategy...

Would D'Feeters White have played a different tactical game if they knew going in that either a 5-1 loss or a 0-0 draw would have gotten them through into D1?

I feel the new format does an ok job with top 10 but it fails miserably sorting out bottom 20.

Lfs white is one case but GSSC and Sting West both are easily top 20 teams but have no way to fix it now. Too much of new system is based on initial seeding and less on results.

bwgophers wrote:Interesting question about strategy...

Would D'Feeters White have played a different tactical game if they knew going in that either a 5-1 loss or a 0-0 draw would have gotten them through into D1?

Only 1 person can answer that question and I doubt he's posting on here. My guess is that they wanted to take matters into their own hands. They knew what they needed to do. 0-0 would've definitely gotten them in I think.

MustangGT wrote:I feel the new format does an ok job with top 10 but it fails miserably sorting out bottom 20.

Lfs white is one case but GSSC and Sting West both are easily top 20 teams but have no way to fix it now. Too much of new system is based on initial seeding and less on results.

Don't know that I'd say it "fails miserably", but it doesn't leave much room for error in Week 1. I'm still more of a fan of the "old" format though, but I would make one key change to that format...

Instead of using the system of forming the week 2 brackets directly from the week 1 brackets and bracket placement (ignoring points), I would re-seed week 2 based on week 1 points. It makes the process a little more dependent on performance, and less susceptible to seeding errors carrying over from week 1 and affecting week 2 outcomes.

Just MHO...

So do we know that it is based on original seeding and not first week points?

Parents need to stop whining about whether their team should be in d1. Games were played on the field and they came up short. End of discussion. Go to d3 and maybe in 2 years you will be in d1.

Defeeters white did it too themselves. The name of the game for QT was offense. Beating the top seed in the bracket wasn't nearly as important as scoring goals. Great job on playing organized and only giving up 1 goal but it's the paltry 6 goals going the other way thats sending them into the next weekend. Coach should have done the math before the tournament because the name of the game was go forward.

Soccapeeps wrote:Parents need to stop whining about whether their team should be in d1. Games were played on the field and they came up short. End of discussion. Go to d3 and maybe in 2 years you will be in d1.

LOL

Tom P. wrote:I was able to figure out the schedule ahead of time last year.  I think I used info from BWGophers so credit goes to him even though he claims it didn't work last year.  This is what I did:

Seeding for the regular season was: Winner of group A is #1.  Winner of group B is #2 and so on.  Last year the other D1 teams were winners of the groups from week two, but I assume you just go down in order of points after the 13 first place teams.

For week 1 it was #1 v #20, #2 v #19 and so on.  After that it got more time intensive.  I had the rank of the '03 teams based on QT and the rank of the '02 teams based on QT.  My daughter is on Texans and we qualified by winning the 12th group.  So I found the 12th '02 team and figured out the rank of team they played each week and then matched that up to the '03 teams.  It was almost perfectly accurate.  The only adjustment came from when the '02s had been rained out and those games had been moved.

I did it while I sat at my daughter's gymnastic class.  It took 20-30 minutes and two pieces of notebook paper.

I would not count on this method. There are any number of reasons, including GotSoccer wonkyness, that a strict Premier League match ordering would not be followed or previous years schedules repeated. The schedule will be made taking into consideration coaching and other conflicts (meet the referee, approved tournaments, etc.). In other words, don't plan on it, but it "might" turn out this way. YMMV...

Standout for me was only 2 teams carrying 30 points. The shocker was that one of them was pulpdaddy. Great job on putting together something late and coming thru to deliver the goods. So is this team something everyone should re-evaluate and consider with the top teams or was this a one off? Real deal or pretender?

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soccerisfun wrote:So do we know that it is based on original seeding and not first week points?

I was talking about a change I would make to the previous years' format. I don't know how they are going to seed week 2 this year.

go99 wrote:Defeeters white did it too themselves.  The name of the game for QT was offense.  Beating the top seed in the bracket wasn't nearly as important as scoring goals.  Great job on playing organized and only giving up 1 goal but it's the paltry 6 goals going the other way thats sending them into the next weekend.  Coach should have done the math before the tournament because the name of the game was go forward.

Last comment on this(pause for applause).......you're right. However the coach wasn't taking the shots. The chips fell and it is what it is. Kicks player made a great play in our game as well. They did what they had to do to get in and the White team didn't. It happens. My replies were in response to the jacka££ trying to say that they don't know how to play soccer. There was no comment necessary there. Pretty classless in my book. To everyone that made it congrats.

go99 wrote:Standout for me was only 2 teams carrying 30 points.  The shocker was that one of them was pulpdaddy.   Great job on putting together something late and coming thru to deliver the goods.  So is this team something everyone should re-evaluate and consider with the top teams or was this a one off?  Real deal or pretender?

In my opinion, we're probably closer to our pre-Tut FBR ranking than our post-Tut ranking. Now we have to back that up on the field in D1!

I think if you've been around long enough around soccer.  Over the years we all know that many people complain about too many games.  IE..King Tut 4 games, QT first week 3 games, Qt second week 3 games (Does not include all the scrimmages in prep for QT).  Teams are going to have bad games and some teams will be left out regardless if you play one week or two although there is less margin or error for first week.  Congratulations to all teams that made D1!


LP ELite
LP Premier
LP Redknapp
LP Owen
Sting Guzman
Sting Donovan
Sting East Chacon
Sting Central Cuevas
Sting North Angel
Dallas Texans
Dallas Texas South
Dallas Texans Red
TX Spirit
TX Spirit North
Feet Black
Mustangs
Kicks
Odyssey
Solar
FCD Premier

Clubs with most teams in D1 (3 ECNL Clubs Outdone by LP and Spirit)

Sting-5
LP-4
Dallas Texans-3
Spirit-2

(Feet, Solar and FCD -1 each)

Congrats to LP and Spirit.

bwgophers wrote:

MustangGT wrote:I feel the new format does an ok job with top 10 but it fails miserably sorting out bottom 20.

Lfs white is one case but GSSC and Sting West both are easily top 20 teams but have no way to fix it now. Too much of new system is based on initial seeding and less on results.

Don't know that I'd say it "fails miserably", but it doesn't leave much room for error in Week 1.  I'm still more of a fan of the "old" format though, but I would make one key change to that format...

Instead of using the system of forming the week 2 brackets directly from the week 1 brackets and bracket placement (ignoring points), I would re-seed week 2 based on week 1 points.  It makes the process a little more dependent on performance, and less susceptible to seeding errors carrying over from week 1 and affecting week 2 outcomes.

Just MHO...

Right well isn't the goal to get the top 20 teams together? How does a team give up no goals and and not making top 20?

Even more so, how does a team take a single 1-0 loss to a top 3 team unbeaten by any other in 10 months and not get into top 20?

I'm not with either team just stating the obvious that if this new system was to minimize controversy or make final call more even it has missed the mark.