Calendar Year does seem to be gaining steam...

Obviously stuck indoors and was doing some googling based on several conversations Ive had the last week... some very interesting chatter going on across the country and I have found that assosciations have already begun to make the calendar year change as soon as this coming fall in preperation of USSF's coming mandate...

Going to be interesting times ahead I think....

http://www.socalsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59944

This one has an old, but the best commentary on the calendar year change ive read.

http://www.stepuptotheball.com/forum/index.php?topic=875.115;wap2

http://nocalsoccer.com/index.php?threads/changing-youth-soccer-to-calendar-year-births.497/

Leagues have begun to change in advance of the USSF mandate...

http://www.pugetsoundpremierleague.com/NPL/862067.html

One that has some kind of "official" email attached to it.

http://www.miamihawktalk.com/discussion/viewtopic.php?p=889210

This, from one of the links, is the most concise sumary I've seen of the proposed changes:

Standardize all small sided game models and field sizes
7v7 model (U10)
9v9 model (U12)
Transition from age group (August through July birth month) to calendar year (January through December) model

Any idea if it's accurate? I had heard different things about 8v8 thru u12, 6v6 at younger ages, etc.

The birth year switch seems like the proverbial "juice not being worth the squeeze", but I suppose I get it if the primary focus is the national team pool (or less than .1% of the kids).

I just wish they would pull the trigger and provide for a reasonable transition period so clubs, teams (and parents) can start planning and stop talking about what-ifs.

No clue how accurate it is, but that was sent out by some official of an assosication to give members a heads up of what was on the USSF agenda.

The calendar year to me is probably the most inevitable of the two. The entire rest of the world goes by calendar year. FIFA changed it 30 years ago to increase participation and then changed it back, only the US and England remained on the school year calendar... England has changed to Calendar Year... leaving us the lone worlf.

My money is on the fall of 2016 being the actual mandate change. So the summer of 2016 could be a massive change to the landscape.

I think the boys parents are a little more use to this with the DA acacacemy soon to reach down to U12 and that is calendar year, so they are use to seeing a bit more upheavel and movement of players onto DA squads and non DA squads having to fill holes, etc...

Added dimension to that is if USSF goes forward with the DA Academy mentioned for the girls side. Would ECNL just turn into that Academy, and it would definetly mean a calendar year change for them as the boys academy is calendar year.

Haven't read the articles, but have heard this discussed in the past. Do you think older current U11's and higher will be grandfathered to be exclueded from this. Would hate for my DD to lose a year of eligibility due to being forced to play a year older.

Again, just a rumor, but I had heard that it would be implemented for 06 groups and younger, leaving older groups unchanged. (U9 and below)

Some sort of phas-in makes sense.

No telling, but it would only make sense that if changed its across the board and country wide. Or like when teams travel to play international we are forced to play up against older squads. You would have that issue across the country... Ntx grandfathered some.. So you go play in Vegas where they adopted the change and your mostly young 03/04 squad is playing against all 03s. Those 04s you are still carrying may struggle....

Who knows....

Doesn't make any sense to change this rule for anyone except the tiny fraction of players headed for pro or international soccer. All it does is shift the age advantage to jan-mar born, and robs us of kids being aligned with their classmates. Lots of headache to implement this with little to no value.

Dumb question, but if my dd is a june 06 birthday does that mean that she would play on what is now the 07's? (her academic class) She is the youngest (academically) on her team.
I can not get the links to open on my work pc, thanks.

footbull wrote:Again, just a rumor, but I had heard that it would be implemented for 06 groups and younger, leaving older groups unchanged.  (U9 and below)

Some sort of phas-in makes sense.

Are you saying U10 would be comprised of 17 months?

ar15 wrote:Dumb question, but if my dd is a june 06 birthday does that mean that she would play on what is now the 07's? (her academic class)  She is the youngest (academically) on her team.  
I can not get the links to open on my work pc, thanks.

An 06 team would be comprised of kids born Jan 1, 2006 - Dec. 31, 2006. If that was today this would be the u9 age group. The ones impacted the most are your Aug 1- Dec 31 kids. They would go from being 06s to being 05s.

Borussia wrote:

ar15 wrote:Dumb question, but if my dd is a june 06 birthday does that mean that she would play on what is now the 07's? (her academic class)  She is the youngest (academically) on her team.  
I can not get the links to open on my work pc, thanks.

An 06 team would be comprised of kids born Jan 1, 2006 - Dec. 31, 2006.  If that was today this would be the u9 age group.  The ones impacted the most are your Aug 1- Dec 31 kids.  They would go from being 06s to being 05s.

Great, thank you Bo for the clarification!

Until I signed my kids up to play, I presumed NTX was still based on calendar vs academic year. That's how it was until I stopped playing in HS.. must have changed sometime in the mid 90's.

Will be interesting to see if my June 06 will go select summer of 2016 or 2017 if this does happen.

footbull wrote:Again, just a rumor, but I had heard that it would be implemented for 06 groups and younger, leaving older groups unchanged.  (U9 and below)

I actually think this (or something close to it) makes sense.. less disruption & give everyone plenty of advance notice.

06southgirl wrote:Will be interesting to see if my June 06 will go select summer of 2016 or 2017 if this does happen.

If it happens or not she will be U11 Fall of 2016. She will just either be mid year 06 or the youngest of the bunch 06. and even then there is nothing stopping her at that point from joining back up with her former teammates that are now 05, she would just now be possibly the youngest by a hear and a half... yikes.

4-3-3 wrote:Doesn't make any sense to change this rule for anyone except the tiny fraction of players headed for pro or international soccer. All it does is shift the age advantage to jan-mar born, and robs us of kids being aligned with their classmates. Lots of headache to implement this with little to no value.

This is exactly why this change won't happen. Not enough upside.

So any rumblings about when the results of the USSF meeting will come to light?

futbollove wrote:

4-3-3 wrote:Doesn't make any sense to change this rule for anyone except the tiny fraction of players headed for pro or international soccer. All it does is shift the age advantage to jan-mar born, and robs us of kids being aligned with their classmates. Lots of headache to implement this with little to no value.

This is exactly why this change won't happen. Not enough upside.

Which is exactly why this will happen

What about August/September '06 birthdays who are currently playing with their classmates which are on their '07 team? Would they be forced up? I would love this new rule for my own daughter, because it would be to her advantage, but I would hate to lose some of the current older '07s if they are forced up.

They would no longer be 07s... They would be 06s. Your DD would then be the older more developed 07.

Do some general googling. Look at rosters of pro teams across the world, national team rosters...

You will see a trend.

My DD would still be a young '07 (Nov), but right now she is an '08 playing up on an '07 team. Academically she is in 2nd grade with the other '07s, so that would be good for her so she doesn't have to play below her grade level the year they go select. Very interesting. I will google for more info. Thanks for sharing Bo.

Borussia wrote:They would no longer be 07s... They would be 06s.  Your DD would then be the older more developed 07.  

Do some general googling.  Look at rosters of pro teams across the world, national team rosters...

You will see a trend.  

What is trend? (didn't see birthdays on rosters I looked at)

I'll give 3 examples...

FC Barcelona
Man City
Real Madrid

Only 20-25% of their rostered players have birthdays in the Aug-Dec span. 75-80% are the Jan-july span. With the highest % being Jan-Apr.

They will grand father the older groups. USSF is not going to create an absolute mess when it comes to implementing the rule. So get on with it change the 06 and below and move on.

Zizou wrote:They will grand father the older groups. USSF is not going to create an absolute mess when it comes to implementing the rule. So get on with it change the 06 and below and move on.

If they just changed the 06 and below then what would that mean for Fall 05s thst are currently 06 right now?