Re: Age True and 9v9 in 2016 for NTX

by Guest 14/04/15, 08:38 am

The change was made because of FIFA, not college. We just did not change back when FIFA did.

Most all seniors have been scouted and recruited well before the senior year.

by jogobonito06 14/04/15, 08:39 am

The USSF Annual General meeting was held February 14, 2015. There was no vote on the change from school year to birth year, but the feeling was an announcement would be forthcoming.

As a USSF member, NTSSA will follow whatever the mother organization mandates, if and when it is announced.

US Club is also a USSF member. Their stance has been in favor of the birth year change but not the mandate to 9v9 as they've stated the local clubs/leagues should make that decision.

The possible change to 9v9 benefits all the kids. The birth year change would only benefit a few at the expense of many, imho.

by Guest 14/04/15, 08:41 am

Why did DA academy go calendar year, why is ODP calendar year, why are the national teams calendar year?

by Guest 14/04/15, 08:49 am

If a shift to Calendar year does in fact help our National teams, than it affects more that just the lucky few that are selected. It helps grow the Sport.

by Lyin Ted 14/04/15, 08:50 am

Soccerfan79 wrote:The change was made because of FIFA, not college. We just did not change back when FIFA did.

Most all seniors have been scouted and recruited well before the senior year.

Good point!

by jm23jm 14/04/15, 09:22 am

SkeetsG06 wrote:
MiddleClass wrote:I have a September 05 and I like this rule if it comes to fruition. I would rather her play early 05s (late 04s) than play top 07s (late 06s) . If she was an 06, I would be looking for her to play up.

I would also want her playing against 3rd and possible 4th graders instead of 3rd and possible 2nd graders. Your college kid will be in the class of 2024 if they are a 3rd grader. Many on here want their kids to play with their school age. You still graduate with your school age. They would need to get all schools as pure age also to make it work correctly...lol. Does girls soccer have that much influence? Lol

As far as National teams, it is U15, U17 etc and starts with the odd year birthday. If your daughter was ever in that pool, the 06s would have to compete with the 05s.

IMO, it's a win win for 06s. If your 06 is elite, you want them playing up. If you want the advantage of your early 06 playing late 06s, you can do that too.

It just all depends on the level you want your dd playing. You have options.

I think much of what you say is true. Here are some additional points:
1) They just added additional national team camps to avoid the grouping. For example, there was recently U14 & U16 national team camps, that lead to teams. Net, the 06 play with 05 will not necessarily be the cases. Certainly, not for ODP, which is already age pure.
2) First year of select your not allowed to have kids play up. So, if you want your dd to play up unless the rule changes you will have to wait a year.
3) I think the playing up thing at early age is certainly a matter of choice. But, if you take two equally athletic girls, but one is 9 and the other is 10, a full year older, that can be tough to swallow. I saw it in a Futsal game, the exact scenario, the game was somewhat competitive but the 10 year old was 3 inches taller, faster, stronger, and showed up on a small court. Can't image on outdoor field. Don't get me wrong I am not against playing up but I just think it has to be thought through very carefully and for the individuals benefit not a team. Hope that is not controversial...can't handle another Mayweather v PaqMan. LOL

Just doing some fact checking. A U11 player does not have to play with their age group first year of select. They can play up to U12, U13 if they want. Good discussion on these changes. Please carry on.

by FriscoSoccer2004 14/04/15, 09:26 am

jm23jm wrote:
SkeetsG06 wrote:
MiddleClass wrote:I have a September 05 and I like this rule if it comes to fruition. I would rather her play early 05s (late 04s) than play top 07s (late 06s) . If she was an 06, I would be looking for her to play up.

I would also want her playing against 3rd and possible 4th graders instead of 3rd and possible 2nd graders. Your college kid will be in the class of 2024 if they are a 3rd grader. Many on here want their kids to play with their school age. You still graduate with your school age. They would need to get all schools as pure age also to make it work correctly...lol. Does girls soccer have that much influence? Lol

As far as National teams, it is U15, U17 etc and starts with the odd year birthday. If your daughter was ever in that pool, the 06s would have to compete with the 05s.

IMO, it's a win win for 06s. If your 06 is elite, you want them playing up. If you want the advantage of your early 06 playing late 06s, you can do that too.

It just all depends on the level you want your dd playing. You have options.

I think much of what you say is true. Here are some additional points:
1) They just added additional national team camps to avoid the grouping. For example, there was recently U14 & U16 national team camps, that lead to teams. Net, the 06 play with 05 will not necessarily be the cases. Certainly, not for ODP, which is already age pure.
2) First year of select your not allowed to have kids play up. So, if you want your dd to play up unless the rule changes you will have to wait a year.
3) I think the playing up thing at early age is certainly a matter of choice. But, if you take two equally athletic girls, but one is 9 and the other is 10, a full year older, that can be tough to swallow. I saw it in a Futsal game, the exact scenario, the game was somewhat competitive but the 10 year old was 3 inches taller, faster, stronger, and showed up on a small court. Can't image on outdoor field. Don't get me wrong I am not against playing up but I just think it has to be thought through very carefully and for the individuals benefit not a team. Hope that is not controversial...can't handle another Mayweather v PaqMan. LOL

Just doing some fact checking. A U11 player does not have to play with their age group first year of select. They can play up to U12, U13 if they want. Good discussion on these changes. Please carry on.

Correct, I am guessing what sheets meant to say is u10 players cannot play up u11. But once they are U11 you can play up as if your DD desires

by planogirl 14/04/15, 09:29 am

Does this mean the "age change" finally confirmed? And I can tell the news to my coach? She still denies as 9:00am this morning.

jm23jm wrote:Just doing some fact checking. A U11 player does not have to play with their age group first year of select. They can play up to U12, U13 if they want. Good discussion on these changes. Please carry on.

by jm23jm 14/04/15, 09:33 am

FriscoSoccer05 wrote:
jm23jm wrote:
SkeetsG06 wrote:
MiddleClass wrote:I have a September 05 and I like this rule if it comes to fruition. I would rather her play early 05s (late 04s) than play top 07s (late 06s) . If she was an 06, I would be looking for her to play up.

I would also want her playing against 3rd and possible 4th graders instead of 3rd and possible 2nd graders. Your college kid will be in the class of 2024 if they are a 3rd grader. Many on here want their kids to play with their school age. You still graduate with your school age. They would need to get all schools as pure age also to make it work correctly...lol. Does girls soccer have that much influence? Lol

As far as National teams, it is U15, U17 etc and starts with the odd year birthday. If your daughter was ever in that pool, the 06s would have to compete with the 05s.

IMO, it's a win win for 06s. If your 06 is elite, you want them playing up. If you want the advantage of your early 06 playing late 06s, you can do that too.

It just all depends on the level you want your dd playing. You have options.

I think much of what you say is true. Here are some additional points:
1) They just added additional national team camps to avoid the grouping. For example, there was recently U14 & U16 national team camps, that lead to teams. Net, the 06 play with 05 will not necessarily be the cases. Certainly, not for ODP, which is already age pure.
2) First year of select your not allowed to have kids play up. So, if you want your dd to play up unless the rule changes you will have to wait a year.
3) I think the playing up thing at early age is certainly a matter of choice. But, if you take two equally athletic girls, but one is 9 and the other is 10, a full year older, that can be tough to swallow. I saw it in a Futsal game, the exact scenario, the game was somewhat competitive but the 10 year old was 3 inches taller, faster, stronger, and showed up on a small court. Can't image on outdoor field. Don't get me wrong I am not against playing up but I just think it has to be thought through very carefully and for the individuals benefit not a team. Hope that is not controversial...can't handle another Mayweather v PaqMan. LOL

Just doing some fact checking. A U11 player does not have to play with their age group first year of select. They can play up to U12, U13 if they want. Good discussion on these changes. Please carry on.

Correct, I am guessing what sheets meant to say is u10 players cannot play up u11. But once they are U11 you can play up as if your DD desires

Got cha. If the change happens this year 06 birth year players would not be able to play U11 select with 05s. If the change happens in 2016 then 06 birth year players can play up to U12 with 05s. That is how I understand the rule.

by jm23jm 14/04/15, 09:35 am

planogirl wrote:Does this mean the "age change" finally confirmed? And I can tell the news to my coach? She still denies as 9:00am this morning.

jm23jm wrote:Just doing some fact checking. A U11 player does not have to play with their age group first year of select. They can play up to U12, U13 if they want. Good discussion on these changes. Please carry on.

Just tell your coach to ALWAYS count on change. Very Happy

If it happens you are prepared and if not no big deal.

by Guest 14/04/15, 09:45 am

Our boys team had discussions like the one that started this whole chain, followed by a later
Meeting with the coaches saying -- basically -- "nevermind, nothing to see here, move along."

Until I see something on the NTX website or USSF website, I'm going to keep doubting these threads every time they pop up.

Maybe it will happen, but it's not worth getting worked up about for now.

by Guest 14/04/15, 09:48 am

Think about it this way. For a coach with mixed age teams... is it in their best interest to add fuel to fire and risk team issue... or keep the calm until he can't deny it anymore.

by Dread Pirate 14/04/15, 10:09 am

Deuce wrote:So where did the vote / decision mentioned as happening Monday come from? Coaches/DOCs? Leagues? NTSSA?

The North Texas website listed yesterday (April 13 5PM) as the deadline for proposed bylaws (ie rules) changes. So maybe the "vote" really means whatever rules committee working on the proposed change decided not to submit? North Texas should have available somewhere the information on all proposed changes that will be submitted for vote at the July AGM right? Guessing 9v9 is a done deal and that the calendar year change died in committee - if for no other reason than the anticipated significant negative affect on the local associations running the rec leagues.

by Guest 14/04/15, 10:15 am

Until something official comes out I expect to see a lot of posters with kids in the aug-dec range posting doubts. Undertandably so.

What no one can deny is USSF has posted that this is something want... The rest of the world is set up this way, DA academy is this way, ODP, youth national teams... etc.

by Triumph FC 14/04/15, 10:33 am

I believe 9v9 as a previous poster said Was done and dusted in January's meeting, don't think age pure is going to happen.
I believe 9v9 will happen with the 06's at U11 as it give the various leagues time to plan and adjust the fields accordingly. Just another thing for them to moan about I guess

by Guest 14/04/15, 10:39 am

LHGCL and PPL do not have to wait for NTSSA approval to switch to 9v9.

I like the idea of the change. Until I see it on the LHGCL website, I won't believe it.

by Triumph FC 14/04/15, 11:03 am

No they don't but both leagues don't want 9v9 as those fields are not usable to U13 and above (when it happens) so right now every field is utilized for every age group so LH and all the rest will not switch until they have no choice

by Guest 14/04/15, 11:05 am

Money is money to the leagues. Contract some fields like they do. At that the number of fields needed isn't an astronomical number.

by Triumph FC 15/04/15, 08:32 pm

So found out enough info for everyone. It has NOT been voted on so it will not be mandated until it is,
will that be in time for the 06's?.....no more than likely not. So the plan is 11v11 for the 06's at U11. Sorry to be the soothsayer but that's what I was told from the high authority

by BFC 15/04/15, 08:46 pm

That makes sense. I can't imagine them trowing this in place weeks before players signing contracts. That would be a huge disadvantage to the current 06's that would need to find a club and get signed, not to mention the stress on all smaller clubs. I would think they vote in favor of changes, then delay implementing a year to give clubs time to prepare.

by 05DD 15/04/15, 09:47 pm

If they vote on it in July, that does give the 06's a year to prepare. 06's don't go select until next year. Like everyone else, I also heard from someone who would know, that it is going to happen for the 06's. So it sounds like to me, no one actually knows anything for sure.

by 06Southgirl 15/04/15, 09:54 pm

I think we should all start betting!!!!!!

by BFC 15/04/15, 10:21 pm

The current '06s born in '05 wouldn't have to sign contracts with 05' teams?

by Guest 15/04/15, 10:28 pm

They would be 05s... so yes, they would be signing with 05 squads or what were 06 teams that became 05s...

Way more questions than answers... but besides those that were in attendance at the meeting held or those that received communication... the rest of us are just guessing or hoping that change does not occur.

by BFC 15/04/15, 10:56 pm

With the decision coming down in July, most quality 05' teams likely will only have 1-2 available spots. I can only imagine the backlash from what would average a third of 06' parents.

The 9v9 option could start with the 06' group without complication. The age pure would need to be implemented with plenty of time for club to prepare and to avoid total chaos. I can't wrap my head around only chosen clubs having the bennifit of receiving word of the change prior to the vote. I would think it would have to be stated publicly to keep from further chaos. Notifying only a handful of clubs which would lead to an unfair advantage, could result in lawsuits.

by Guest 16/04/15, 04:46 am

06southgirl wrote:I think we should all start betting!!!!!!

Based on what I am hearing, my $s say the 9v9 change starts with 06s and the age change does not start until later (maybe much later). I tend to believe what I am hearing, because common sense regarding the impact of these two changes would say the same..

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