Age pure??

Zizou wrote:

SickofSilliness wrote:I throw in the substantial detriment to 1/2 of girls who want to play in their Senior year that would have to find new teams, or not play club soccer their Senior year.

Also, I believe that smaller clubs and independents will be impacted substantially more.  Large clubs have a pool of teams a coahces so shuffling of players would be doable (not easy, but doable).  Smaller clubs and independenst may not ahve coahes available at both age-groups impacted by the split of a team.

It might not be so bad your senior year . Players should have a good idea of where they are going and or signed.

I would be very good for an athlete to rest for half year and prepare for the college life.

I can't imagine this affecting current HS students...even if it does, it will be "corrected" by girls just playing up. All three of mine have played up (recently twice), and I can't imagine that it will make much difference...By the time they are being recruited, the school year is the most relevant measure, and that can be noted easily on communications. It may actually help some smaller schools in recruiting age pure since they will be looking at possibly 2 years of recruits...

quote]I can't imagine this affecting current HS students...even if it does, it will be "corrected" by girls just playing up.[[/quote]

Not sure I follow. If a girl wants to play with girls in her grade (and most teams are made up that way), and she was born between August 1 and December 31, she now has to convince all the girls on her team in the same grade that were born after Jan 1 to play up? I think this is just the stupidest rule.

Most everything these kids do and sign up for is

Here the stupidity in a nutshell- whether you go Age pure or school year, there will ALWAYS BE THE SAME PERCEIVED ADVANTAGE TO THOSE BORN IN THE FIRST 6 MONTHS OF THAT PERIOD.

It doesnt go away. So why disrupt the "normal" order of organizing clubs in line with grade, which is how 95% of the rest of their lives are ordered? Why split up classmates? dumb, dumb, dumb.

You guys run in different circles than I do. I don't know any kids that play with classmates.

SantaFe wrote:Here the stupidity in a nutshell- whether you go Age pure or school year, there will ALWAYS BE THE SAME PERCEIVED ADVANTAGE TO THOSE BORN IN THE FIRST 6 MONTHS OF THAT PERIOD.

It doesnt go away.  So why disrupt the "normal" order of organizing clubs in line with grade, which is how 95% of the rest of their lives are ordered?  Why split up classmates?  dumb, dumb, dumb.

THIS!

My point is that she won't have to convince anyone. She will either play on the team of her grade level or not...If she is younger and wants to stay with her team...no problem, stay, just play up...if she wants to play with a team that is younger, then fine...but that is a decision the coach will make...Almost all the teams we have been a part of have girls (or boys) playing up. It doesn't matter after puberty...The transition is tough on the boys, but at 14, it doesn't matter as much, and the ones that played up at 11 will have learned how to avoid situations where strength, speed and size was the solution...they have to learn to play soccer. That is the win. After U-whatever, they play with people significantly older than them in EVERY game. All of college...ALL of HS...

Find a coach and a team you love and work there...the handful that are early BDs that have NOBODY else on their team that is...well, if they were the "best players" as some would argue, then it shouldn't be hard to find a new team...especially with half the league having to do the same thing...

SantaFe wrote:Here the stupidity in a nutshell- whether you go Age pure or school year, there will ALWAYS BE THE SAME PERCEIVED ADVANTAGE TO THOSE BORN IN THE FIRST 6 MONTHS OF THAT PERIOD.

It doesnt go away.  So why disrupt the "normal" order of organizing clubs in line with grade, which is how 95% of the rest of their lives are ordered?  Why split up classmates?  dumb, dumb, dumb.

I agree this is the silliest bunch of bs I've seen in this silly world of soccer. Not every kid will play in college or beyond most just enjoy the game and their FRIENDS. Why does this stupid us soccer/Fifa or whatever...have so much control over local leagues anyway? Next thing you know we will have to go to the metric system. We're Americans and we invented this silly sport..we shouldn't have to be dictated to by foreign corrupt yoyos. We have our own corrupt clubs and leagues.

planogirl wrote:

Zizou wrote:

SickofSilliness wrote:I throw in the substantial detriment to 1/2 of girls who want to play in their Senior year that would have to find new teams, or not play club soccer their Senior year.

Also, I believe that smaller clubs and independents will be impacted substantially more.  Large clubs have a pool of teams a coahces so shuffling of players would be doable (not easy, but doable).  Smaller clubs and independenst may not ahve coahes available at both age-groups impacted by the split of a team.

It might not be so bad your senior year . Players should have a good idea of where they are going and or signed.

I would be very good for an athlete to rest for half year and prepare for the college life.

Thank you for making that decision for everyone.

And its not 1/2 a year, its a full year.

My point being, if a fall 03 went age pure, her team (including herself) would be made 1/2 of Juniors, 1/2 of Seniors.  The Seniors will graduate, so when she becomes a Senior, 1/2 her team has graduated and left.  Now, as a Senior, if she wants to play, she will need to find a new team (apparently she will be allowed to play with the 04s she was split from initially).  She will have to get a spot on an 04 team (likely mostly if not completely full), and the girls she has played with through high school will have to go their separate ways, since it's not likely they would find a team with open spots to take them all.

SickofSilliness wrote:

planogirl wrote:

Zizou wrote:

SickofSilliness wrote:I throw in the substantial detriment to 1/2 of girls who want to play in their Senior year that would have to find new teams, or not play club soccer their Senior year.

Also, I believe that smaller clubs and independents will be impacted substantially more.  Large clubs have a pool of teams a coahces so shuffling of players would be doable (not easy, but doable).  Smaller clubs and independenst may not ahve coahes available at both age-groups impacted by the split of a team.

It might not be so bad your senior year . Players should have a good idea of where they are going and or signed.

I would be very good for an athlete to rest for half year and prepare for the college life.

Thank you for making that decision for everyone.

And its not 1/2 a year, its a full year.

My point being, if a fall 03 went age pure, her team (including herself) would be made 1/2 of Juniors, 1/2 of Seniors.  The Seniors will graduate, so when she becomes a Senior, 1/2 her team has graduated and left.  Now, as a Senior, if she wants to play, she will need to find a new team (apparently she will be allowed to play with the 04s she was split from initially).  She will have to get a spot on an 04 team (likely mostly if not completely full), and the girls she has played with through high school will have to go their separate ways, since it's not likely they would find a team with open spots to take them all.

Relax.  By the time she gets that old, good possibility she may not be playing anymore.

I think the whole thing is kind of funny.  It is a bit ironic the DD's with prime birthday's in today's environment who are at an age advantage and sought out in the recruiting process face a changing of the guard.

Only wish it had happened sooner to help out my DD's who had summer birthdays.

Lefty wrote:

SickofSilliness wrote:

planogirl wrote:

Zizou wrote:

SickofSilliness wrote:I throw in the substantial detriment to 1/2 of girls who want to play in their Senior year that would have to find new teams, or not play club soccer their Senior year.

Also, I believe that smaller clubs and independents will be impacted substantially more.  Large clubs have a pool of teams a coahces so shuffling of players would be doable (not easy, but doable).  Smaller clubs and independenst may not ahve coahes available at both age-groups impacted by the split of a team.

It might not be so bad your senior year . Players should have a good idea of where they are going and or signed.

I would be very good for an athlete to rest for half year and prepare for the college life.

Thank you for making that decision for everyone.

And its not 1/2 a year, its a full year.

My point being, if a fall 03 went age pure, her team (including herself) would be made 1/2 of Juniors, 1/2 of Seniors.  The Seniors will graduate, so when she becomes a Senior, 1/2 her team has graduated and left.  Now, as a Senior, if she wants to play, she will need to find a new team (apparently she will be allowed to play with the 04s she was split from initially).  She will have to get a spot on an 04 team (likely mostly if not completely full), and the girls she has played with through high school will have to go their separate ways, since it's not likely they would find a team with open spots to take them all.

Relax.  By the time she gets that old, good possibility she may not be playing anymore.

I think the whole thing is kind of funny.  It is a bit ironic the DD's with prime birthday's in today's environment who are at an age advantage and sought out in the recruiting process face a changing of the guard.

Only wish it had happened sooner to help out my DD's who had summer birthdays.

Never mind. You are right. Nobody plays soccer their Senior year, so this shouldn't impact anyone.

Check the LH spring schedule...seniors don't really play...If your kid is a junior at that point and wants to play her junior year, it won't be very traumatic. She will have a chance to do it. At that point, survey the landscape. There will be enough open spots through attrition that teams will happily sign a good player or two. Most of those girls just talk to each other at school and find out who has openings...it actually takes a lot of the pressure off...and oh, by the way, if she is a decent player, she will have 5 friends on 5 other teams begging her to come out. I think the worry at this point about something that MIGHT affect the kids in their last year is a little overblown. Relax and enjoy 7th grade...No point in worrying about the possibilities.

Good point.  Between LH and Plano, roughly 40 teams.  Say 20 per team, makes for 800 girls.  If the teams are split, then about 400 are Seniors who will be left without a team.

So, if they want to play their senior year (and under the above number, about 400 girls per year would) then they would have to find a new team.  400 girls, who, their senior year, need to find a spot on one of roughly 40 teams (hmm, not sure there are 10 open spots per team), create a new team, or quit soccer.

Just saying it is a drawback to the new format.  Nice you could be so dismissive about those who have played on a team for years, being told they need to find a new team if they want to play their Senior year.

Not trying to be dismissive in the sense that I am intending to offend you. I can't see teams that truly want to stick together (graduating class pure) finding it that difficult for half the team to decide to play up...And if you look at number of teams and leagues, and schedules, you will see it isn't a huge issue...just note that you rarely see significant posts on here by parents of juniors or seniors other that the sign off or to send congrats to other parents who have had successes. As a matter of fact...PPIL goes from U16 to U19, and LH goes from U17 to U19...the issue is basically resolved...

Though I actually prefer the class based teams, and I admit that these changes WILL change some things, I just don't see it being earth shattering, and it will level the field for some out of town tournaments...

I am just saying don't worry about it when they are in elementary school...In a few years we will look back and realize it wasn't as big a deal as it seemed when we were planning it out 6 years ago...

If there is an issue in a few years, LH/Plano will make an age group that will take your money allow the girls an avenue to play. It isn't worth the stress at this point...there are refs to yell at and sidelines that need instigators...

Have a great year! Enjoy the time now, you will look back in 3, 5, 7 years and wonder where it went...

It will be hard to drop down my DD senior year and maybe take away playing time from a junior who could be still looking to sign. Other alternatives, futsal sounds good , definitely high school, and then some ecnl matches if the younger team is a good situation. Could be some pissed off parents.