Age pure??

I agree with that. Would love to see 7v7 for U7s and U8s.

timmyh wrote:Dont know if the rules allowing playups for first year of select will change or not. My assumption is that it will just to allow teams to stay together if they so choose, but i am fairly sure we are to early in the process for that determination to be made.

There is a rule about not playing up your first year of select? Interested to know where that is
Don't worry about looking for it as it doesn't exist!

If it's 4v4 through U8, I would think indoor and futsal would get a boost in registration.

The small-sided thing also removes part of the stigma of being a good defender because everybody touches the ball more. It kills me how even at U13 a skilled offensive player doesn't know basic holding/jockeying defense. NTX soccer can be a dive-fest at times.

Triumph FC wrote:

timmyh wrote:Dont know if the rules allowing playups for first year of select will change or not. My assumption is that it will just to allow teams to stay together if they so choose, but i am fairly sure we are to early in the process for that determination to be made.

There is a rule about not playing up your first year of select? Interested to know where that is
Don't worry about looking for it as it doesn't exist!

NTSSA 4.12.1

Players who have not attained the proper age to be eligible for Under 12 play shall not be allowed to play up on competitive (select or tryout) teams or in tournaments designated as competitive.

Players who are not eligible for Under 12 play are not free agents and are not eligible to attend tryouts.

That's a typo that should be U11 not U12

Actually, no. Official age groupings are U6, U8, U10, U12, U14, U16 and U19. U11 falls within U12.

The prohibition also resides in their definition of players. U6-U10 is defined as rec or academy. And academy players are prohibited from attending tryouts. U11-U19 is defined as rec or competitive.

Along with some others, I'd like to see it changed, but as the bylaws currently stand it is there in black and white.

I'm telling you I spoke with the registrars and both say a player once eligible for select can play at Age group they like! That's always been the rule
So it's written as U12 because as you say U11 is grouped into that but it's to stop a U10 player trying out for select.

As much as it pains me to say this, Triumph is right.

I'm off for beers

Triumph FC wrote:I'm telling you I spoke with the registrars and both say a player once eligible for select can play at Age group they like! That's always been the rule
So it's written as U12 because as you say U11 is grouped into that but it's to stop a U10 player trying out for select.

Triumph is correct... U10's may not play U11 Select on an NTSSA Comp roster for league play nor as a guest player for an NTSSA Comp team in NTSSA-sanctioned tournaments.

U10's may play up to U11 Rec in NTSSA

U10's may play U11 Select on a U11 Comp roster through US Club Soccer. Many of the teams in our new U11 9v9 league will have U10's on their roster. www.primetimesportz.com/soccer/leagues/ptcl

Some more chatter on this here...
http://www.stxsoccer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2853

This was shared with me today. The email was from the boy's classic league.

Classic League plans to implement these rules beginning in Fall 2016

As per mandate, age group divisions will move to calendar year on January 1, 2017. Read this as 07s will be the first group impacted by the adjustment. Prior to that date, players will still be grouped under the current guidelines (which coincide more with school classification than calendar). Hopefully, this advance notice will allow you to make adjustments to Juniors teams as seamlessly as possible.

All players/teams that enter the Classic League under current guidelines will be "grandfathered". Example...a u11 team entering Classic League Fall 2015 will play 11v11 in Fall 2016 as a u12 team (despite the fact that the new guidelines will take effect at that point).

So the question now: what will LH, PPL, APL, UAL & PT do ?

That's really where the rubber meets the road. When do they move to smaller-sided & calendar year age?

NTSSA may recommend fall 2016 switch, but what will the playing options for teams be 12 months from now?

If teams are grandfathered in how are those teams going to go play tournaments in places where they made the change to all age groups. Maybe I am not reading BFC's post correctly. It seems to me we need consistancy across leagues, associations, and states for this to work properly.

BFCs post makes no sense.

1. NTSSA/ussf sets the age groups... not the leagues.
2. Correct on tourney play, will cause issues if some are and some arent.

pegleg wrote:If teams are grandfathered in how are those teams going to go play tournaments in places where they made the change to all age groups.  Maybe I am not reading BFC's post correctly.  It seems to me we need consistancy across leagues, associations, and states for this to work properly.

Teams may be grandfathered with respect to field size at the younger ages. I assume that is what the BFC post referred to.
There will be no grandfathering with respect to age groups. All ages will be calendar year. There is a lot of team shakeup headed down the pipe.

..and i should add that current teams can absolutely stay together if they so wish by simply playing up the younger players. My hunch is that, in the interest of making a team as competitive as possible that won't happen much. Signing day in July of 2017 should be very interesting.

Could be Classic league knows more about what NTSSA is going to do than the rest of us do.

I see...that does make more sense ...thanks timmy. My DD is in the academy age group and is probably not going to be the next Michelle Akers (there us a name for all the old school folks) so I personally care more about the social effects of potentially breaking up a team...I guess I will have to tell her "well, everyone else in the world does it...". I guess breaking up an academy team is better than having to break up a competitive team.

Sho'nuff wrote:If it's 4v4 through U8, I would think indoor and futsal would get a boost in registration.  

Good luck finding enough coaches in early ages. Most kids start in rec and associations already have a hard time in 7v7 getting coaches.... Now you will double the number of teams... Double the coaches, commissioner work etc... Not sure how well thought out this has been.

Not everyone is playing soccer to make world cup. Building the entire system for this is ridiculous.

Shelby427 wrote:

Sho'nuff wrote:If it's 4v4 through U8, I would think indoor and futsal would get a boost in registration.  

Good luck finding enough coaches in early ages. Most kids start in rec and associations already have a hard time in 7v7 getting coaches.... Now you will double the number of teams... Double the coaches, commissioner work etc... Not sure how well thought out this has been.

Not everyone is playing soccer to make world cup. Building the entire system for this is ridiculous.

4v4 to U8 is great and there are plenty of parent coaches that can run these teams. No Club coaches needed at that level. Your DD is not going to miss out because the team didn't have a "A" or "B" license coach.

How is this going to work in 2018,2019 when half these teams only graduate half their players will the younger ones be left with no team their senior year?

Excellent point, Zizou.

ODP does the calendar year thing.
My kid is a 2000. Yet some of her teammates ODP 'd with the 99s. Most of the 99s were sophomores this year. Yet the ones we know were freshmen.
Perhaps it should be your high school class year.
That way they stay together.

How about that 2000 that will be entering their freshman year this year. Her whole team at pure age will graduate the year before.

Plain and simple, NOT WELL THOUGHT OUT!!!!

If the players are the point of all this and THEY ARE, then the governing body has found a way to destroy or harm the teams of thousands of players.

It needs to be implemented gradually. Grandfather existing teams. Destroying or even harming any teams makes absolutely no sense. WHAT EXACTLY IS THE RUSH?