05 LHQT bracket analysis

douchebag wrote:Glad I could service your frustration JibJab2. My niece's won 10-0 tonight as well and 4-1 last night.

Glad to see your nieces have a good coach.

I wouldn't write off NTFC Green just yet. Maybe bad stretch at bad time but they are still very solid team. Still in shock about that Warriors score. Maybe it was entered wrong.

Any given day is what to remember:) looking for possible upsets as some teams play up when against stats higher up teams. Should be a fun weekend!

Jibjab2, what's your deal with douche? Must be some history there. A little intriguing...

I am glad to see that every prediction on this board has been spot on. You are all geniuses. You could all work for FIFA.

Dec2020 wrote:Jibjab2, what's your deal with douche? Must be some history there. A little intriguing...

I don't appreciate coaches creating new alias, coming on here acting like they don't know anything, denigrating other teams / clubs, then pumping their own teams with ridiculous claims like "if you played in two leagues at the highest level, you auto rank up". When challenged that said team didn't actually WIN any games in the league, the best response is some idiotic rambling about "ant army buddies" and gaming references.

Worse than a used car salesman.

He loves me!!!!!
He thinks I am a coach of some team. I am laughing about how pissed off this guy gets. Dude, you better chill out or your gonna give yourself a heart attack. Keep trying to figure me out.
Looking at JibJab2 post, he has an all around issue with FC Dallas fields for some reason. He is always talking about them like he doesn't want anyone on the fields because it may mess up his trim job.

Happy Hour start a little early today?  

Now we have your mindless ramblings about trim jobs?  

Go back to your picks - they were much more entertaining.

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Tis being our first time to go through this process, my assesment after seeing the 1st game scores it is obvious that there are coaches that cherry pick kids to feed their overinflated egos. LH has it all wrong, what purpose does observe to have top 10 teams play 21-40 there clearly is no regard for the kids. If there were any intelligence running LH and care they would limit D1 to 10 teams playing QT 1-20. And have 21-40 whatever playing to get into QT week 2, to play for the next 20 spots,, it serves no purpose to have a team beat another by more than 6 goals. It shows lack of class on the coaches part to run the score up just because they can and LH is promoting it by setting it up this way.

I have to agree with you. The other problem with this format is some of those teams ranked in the 30s and 40s pack the box and do all they can to keep a game close. There are blow outs but there are also games with very little goals that probably would have been uglier during a regular tournament. But this is the system right now.

Welcome to the LH money-grab!

The other side of that coin is.. those coaches could have opted not to have sign up for LH QT.
Can you imagine the chaos that would ensue between deciding teams 18-25 and who gets into D1 QT and week 2 QT as suggested?

As an academy coach myself with no dogs in this hunt. I would not register my teams for this tournament unless I was sure they had a good chance of being competitive. Some of these teams have obviously not been trained to the level of the top 25 teams. Lake Highlands cannot restrict teams from registering, there may be a newly formed team of highly skilled rec players that would have no ranking. I put the blame squarely on the egotistic coach who thinks his / her team with a very poor win loss record has a chance of beating teams that have been together for years and spent a lot of their time developing excellent players.

When two of the tie breakers are shutouts and number of eight goal games, generally teams cannot call the diogs off its early as coaches would like to. 8-0 games are not fun for anyone involved.

Did Sting East Grey really lose to FC Dallas?

No they have it backwards.  Grey won 6-0

Soccerpop05 wrote:Tis being our first time to go through this process, my assesment after seeing the 1st game scores it is obvious that there are coaches that cherry pick kids to feed their overinflated egos.   LH has it all wrong, what purpose does observe to have top 10 teams play 21-40  there clearly is no regard for the kids.   If there were any intelligence running LH and care  they would  limit D1 to 10 teams playing QT 1-20. And have 21-40 whatever playing  to get into QT week 2, to play for the next 20 spots,,  it serves no purpose to have a team  beat another by more than 6 goals.  It shows lack of class on the coaches part to run the score up just because they can and LH is promoting it by  setting it up this way.  

You are right. Maybe we should give out participation medals too. Perhaps EVERYONE can get in line and build the all players did great bridge for the players to pass under.
No one likes to get beat 8-0. However if they entered the tournament then they knew who they were going to play.

Soccerpop05 wrote:Tis being our first time to go through this process, my assesment after seeing the 1st game scores it is obvious that there are coaches that cherry pick kids to feed their overinflated egos.   LH has it all wrong, what purpose does observe to have top 10 teams play 21-40  there clearly is no regard for the kids.   If there were any intelligence running LH and care  they would  limit D1 to 10 teams playing QT 1-20. And have 21-40 whatever playing  to get into QT week 2, to play for the next 20 spots,,  it serves no purpose to have a team  beat another by more than 6 goals.  It shows lack of class on the coaches part to run the score up just because they can and LH is promoting it by  setting it up this way.  

You are right on your assessment of the way it's set up. The reality though, is this is a business and the coaches that ran up the score are going off the rules. Those also tend to be the real coaches that earn every penny they make and can do a lot for a kid including building confidence and self esteem through learning the game. The real culprit is the coach that entered a team that has no business being in this tournament. This shows poor judgement and lack of knowledge. Nothing good can come from losing umpteen to 0. The kids can lose confidence, the parents just lost $800 for the tournament, and I doubt they learn anything about the game. Whats worse is if these parents are paying $3000 for this kind of decision making.

Hate to be cynical but be your child's advocate, be objective about ability and buyer beware when choosing a team.

soccerjack wrote:

Soccerpop05 wrote:Tis being our first time to go through this process, my assesment after seeing the 1st game scores it is obvious that there are coaches that cherry pick kids to feed their overinflated egos.   LH has it all wrong, what purpose does observe to have top 10 teams play 21-40  there clearly is no regard for the kids.   If there were any intelligence running LH and care  they would  limit D1 to 10 teams playing QT 1-20. And have 21-40 whatever playing  to get into QT week 2, to play for the next 20 spots,,  it serves no purpose to have a team  beat another by more than 6 goals.  It shows lack of class on the coaches part to run the score up just because they can and LH is promoting it by  setting it up this way.  

You are right on your assessment of the way it's set up.  The reality though, is this is a business and the coaches that ran up the score are going off the rules.  Those also tend to be the real coaches that earn every penny they make and can do a lot for a kid including building confidence and self esteem through learning the game.  The real culprit is the coach that entered a team that has no business being in this tournament.  This shows poor judgement and lack of knowledge.  Nothing good can come from losing umpteen to 0.  The kids can lose confidence, the parents just lost $800 for the tournament, and I doubt they learn anything about the game.  Whats worse is if these parents are paying $3000 for this kind of decision making.

Hate to be cynical but be your child's advocate, be objective about ability and buyer beware when choosing a team.  

I would honestly hope that the parents on those teams have some say. However I think the egos of some parents are just as bad as the coach.

KeeperCommander wrote:

soccerjack wrote:

Soccerpop05 wrote:Tis being our first time to go through this process, my assesment after seeing the 1st game scores it is obvious that there are coaches that cherry pick kids to feed their overinflated egos.   LH has it all wrong, what purpose does observe to have top 10 teams play 21-40  there clearly is no regard for the kids.   If there were any intelligence running LH and care  they would  limit D1 to 10 teams playing QT 1-20. And have 21-40 whatever playing  to get into QT week 2, to play for the next 20 spots,,  it serves no purpose to have a team  beat another by more than 6 goals.  It shows lack of class on the coaches part to run the score up just because they can and LH is promoting it by  setting it up this way.  

You are right on your assessment of the way it's set up.  The reality though, is this is a business and the coaches that ran up the score are going off the rules.  Those also tend to be the real coaches that earn every penny they make and can do a lot for a kid including building confidence and self esteem through learning the game.  The real culprit is the coach that entered a team that has no business being in this tournament.  This shows poor judgement and lack of knowledge.  Nothing good can come from losing umpteen to 0.  The kids can lose confidence, the parents just lost $800 for the tournament, and I doubt they learn anything about the game.  Whats worse is if these parents are paying $3000 for this kind of decision making.

Hate to be cynical but be your child's advocate, be objective about ability and buyer beware when choosing a team.  

I would honestly hope that the parents on those teams have some say. However I think the egos of some parents are just as bad as the coach.

No doubt....There has to be a sucker in the game to pull it all off.

There is nothing wrong with getting your a$$ handed to you every now and then

Soccerpop05 wrote:Tis being our first time to go through this process, my assesment after seeing the 1st game scores it is obvious that there are coaches that cherry pick kids to feed their overinflated egos.   LH has it all wrong, what purpose does observe to have top 10 teams play 21-40  there clearly is no regard for the kids.   If there were any intelligence running LH and care  they would  limit D1 to 10 teams playing QT 1-20. And have 21-40 whatever playing  to get into QT week 2, to play for the next 20 spots,,  it serves no purpose to have a team  beat another by more than 6 goals.  It shows lack of class on the coaches part to run the score up just because they can and LH is promoting it by  setting it up this way.  

Well, the cheap price of this tournament should make it more palatable.

Nobody is holding a gun to any of these coaches heads and forcing them to sign their teams up for the QT.

It's no secret what type of brackets and format LHGCL uses for U11. They've been doing the same thing for years.

In fact, if you go to the information page on the LHGCL web site for this years' QT, you will still see links to the results/standing pages from last year's QT so that you can look up and see what some of the scores were.

Caveat emptor my friends... If you just dropped $1-3k joining a COMPETITIVE soccer team, and you didn't do the research and educate yourself about the all of the details surrounding contracts, and qualifying for competitive leagues, and league rules, etc., and didn't discuss things with your coach ahead of time while wearing a pre-calibrated BS filter based on your own research... sorry, you won't find much sympathy coming from this direction...

bwgophers wrote:Nobody is holding a gun to any of these coaches heads and forcing them to sign their teams up for the QT.

It's no secret what type of brackets and format LHGCL uses for U11.  They've been doing the same thing for years.

In fact, if you go to the information page on the LHGCL web site for this years' QT, you will still see links to the results/standing pages from last year's QT so that you can look up and see what some of the scores were.  

Caveat emptor my friends...  If you just dropped $1-3k joining a COMPETITIVE soccer team, and you didn't do the research and educate yourself about the all of the details surrounding contracts, and qualifying for competitive leagues, and league rules, etc., and didn't discuss things with your coach ahead of time while wearing a pre-calibrated BS filter based on your own research...  sorry, you won't find much sympathy coming from this direction...

Slick sales pitches and used car salesmen strike again.

If your team has never beaten a team that is playing (or likely is playing) in the qualifying tournament, you can't turn around and act surprised at what is happening.

The teams posting the large goal totals are working to assure themselves that they qualify this weekend.

I would be interested to know if any parents have approached a coach after their opening weekend drubbings (or will after their elimination this weekend) and asked them what the heck they were thinking?!?  

Yeah! And I saw 5 college coaches ready to,sign 05s to scharships today,, just shows how shallow People are to think is about money and winning. What's more amusing are the ones commenting because they ASSUME, my comments are because my kids team is getting drumbed. People like you are the problem with youth sports in America today. Keep running up those credit cards, because I am certain your kid will be in the 20% that actually still plays the game at when they go to college.