04 Plano Labor Day Tournament 2015

Soccapeeps wrote:Elite came up short, but no doubt they were the best team last year in LH (no debating that?). "Year before last" is a weak @$$ argument for not playing for 2 years in theoretically the best local tournment. And yes, we will enjoy the attractions in the great city of Arlington this weekend where your team should probably be in.. lol  And don't bring that defending DTS Scott "are back" $hit...cause that dont work here.

SickofSilliness wrote:

KnKsDad wrote:

SickofSilliness wrote:My reference to teams who "earn" and "didn't earn" a spot - is simply that DI has teams that, mathematically, had ZERO chance of getting into DI, but were awarded it anyway.  (DII and DIII as well - across all age groups)   I don't believe that applied to TSN.  Dude, don't take it so personally - but I know that is par for the course. My bad for seemingly taking it so personal, but why the repeated digs about "earn" and "didn't earn"? To me those comments express every bit the "taking it personal" as my reaction to them does. Again, in my initial post I even said that I was making a general statement and there will be exceptions and yet you threw a jab.

You expend tons of energy trying to convince everyone that there is somehow this "gap" between DI #15 and D2 #1 that is "wider" than some may think.  If the split had been made at #12 instead at #15, would you have been here saying that there is a "gap" wider than you would think between DI #12 and TSN? or said "gap" between TSN, Solar, and Hilton / Gut and all other DII teams?  (because that is where you have established said gap).  I am guessing not.  My point - the split was largely arbitrary - it had to happen somewhere and that was at #15 - and there is little or NO gap between the bottom of DI and the top of DII. I am not expending tons of energy trying to convince everyone of anything, but I am expending tons of energy responding to you which I am realizing is a mistake. Again, I made a general statement. I never specifically stated D1 #15 vs a D2 #1, you are adding those specifics. However, I personally do believe there was a fairly distinguishable break at around the #15 spot last season so I don't think it was quite so arbitrary. TSN was fully expecting to be D2 and was fine with that because that is what we earned based on our win/loss at the time. And yes, had the cutoff been made at #12 I would have said there was a gap with the rest of the D2 teams based on the rosters at that time, so you guessed wrong.

At this point, TSN likely sits near the bottom of DI.  Will they finish there?  Who knows?  That's why they play. When you say bottom, do you mean bottom of a top 10 or bottom of a top 15? Regardless, like you said, that is why they play - new season, new rosters, etc.

But to make a statement that this arbitrary cutoff somehow establishes a "gap" wider than some would think between these groups is ludicrous.  Had the season played out, it is highly likely TSN would be playing in DII. It's not the "arbitrary cut off" that establishes the gap, but play on the field last season. Had the season played out TSN likely would have finished #10 or #11 and if #10 would have potentially lost tie-breaker situation to Chacon and therefore be playing D2.

So - as you expend all you energy expousing that there is a gap wider than most would think between DI and DII - I remind you that TSN lost to Sting West (a team below said gap) 4-3 at Summer Splash.  IMO, Sting West is a better team - but hey, I'm sure you have a different opinion, but they were that day. I don't need a reminder, I was there. Sting West was better on that day and is likely a better team now, (surprised to hear me say that?) But they weren't last season and that was proven on the field. The "arbitrary" cut off for this upcoming season was made based on last season's play/rosters, right? I still stand by what I said and the phrasing of what I said including that there will prove to be exceptions - and that's because there have been changes with teams! Any team, including yours, that wants to prove to be one of those exceptions, could have started that process by playing in PLD Gold, like Andromeda, which is where this whole debate got started. TSN is there, and even if we get spanked in all our games, we are there.

Sting Angell tied Sting West last weekend in an competitive game.  Yes, TSN beat Angell in Summer Splash 3-1.  Your account will probably differ from mine, but IMO, the game was winnable by either team until the last 10 minutes. No problem with that statement.

The last time TSN beat a DI team looks to be Feb 14 - more than 6 months ago.  That same day, TSN beat Sting West 3-0. Not sure the point you're making but okay.

Now, if we want to ignore results on the field, that's fine too.  We can all sit here and agree that there is some arbitrary gap, wider than some would think, between the bottom of DI and the top of DII.  Any loss by a DI team to a DII team is "the exception."  If that massages your ego, that works fine for me too. It's not about ego, I only go with results on the field and call it like I see it and based on last season there was a noticeable gap IMO. This season's results could tell a different story. 

My daughter's team does not play DI, and we are fine with that.  They shouldn't be - but they are learning and developing.  I guess time will tell if TSN should be playing in DI. You say you're fine with not being in D1, yet you repeatedly indirectly throw darts at the lower D1 teams through criticizing the LH "arbitrary" cut off, so why do you care? I guess I am just taking it too personal when you make the statement that teams didn't earn it and my DD's team just happens to be one of those teams, but at least you can say that about our team because you know who we are. I still don't know who your team is, but that's par for the course too.

Sorry to break up the light hearted afternoon banter with this Tolstoy. I promise never to do it again.

Sorry, I thought the discussion was about your perception of a gap "wider than some expect" between D1 teams (including yours) and DII teams - THIS SEASON.  At this point, I don't think anyone really cares about your results, play on the field, or some gap last season - real or perceived.

"Like you said, it's just conjecture right now. I get the sense though that some posters on here (and I'm not directing this at you) who are connected with D2 and D3 teams somewhat underestimate the quality of the lower end D1 teams, perhaps feeling that they are on par with them when that gap is actually a bit wider at this point than they may think IMO."

If you concede that Sting West may be better than TSN this season, then what is the point of trying to distinguish TSN and your supposed "gap" between DI and DII?  A gap that, admittedly, may not exist?!?  Sorry, but your argument makes no sense -

a TSN team that, in your opinion, is not the bottom of DI

A Sting West team who tied Angell and has not established themselves as the best of DII

Sting West was better on that day and is likely a better team now

Logic like that kinda takes any wind out of an argument that any gap exists between the bottom of DI and the top of DII, let alone a gap "wider than some may think"  

JSoccapeeps wrote:You're just repeating what I said originally. Elite "número uno" DTS "strong second" and whoever wins this is basically playing for third place, which equals weak gold bracket. 2+2=4 Chauncey....it's really not that hard to understand

Soccapeeps wrote:This is a weak PLD Gold bracket...FCD Elite and DFeeter Black are playing for 3rd place.....I said it and you all privately agree.

The 2 best teams are not here.. DTS and LP Elite. DTS as always can't be found for PLD and LP Elite thinking they are better than they are.

db10 wrote:I think the more important question in all this is if Spirit North is actually better now that plain ol' Spirit?

The "GAP" between 12 in D1 to 3 in D2 isn't that big IMO, the one between 1-5 in D1 and the rest of D1 is growing by leaps and bounds...and no FCD you don't get credit for developing that team.

What sucks in this isn't who got to stay in D1 and who didn't it the STUPID play in games half the league will end up playing in next summer. WTF is the value of playing an entire season just to get knocked down in one or two games. If that was the only way to resolve it they should of did that this summer, before the season. But back to the subject at hand...

I'll take D'Feet with an "upset" win over Elite in the Semi's and a tight fought final over their nemesis Scott. (insert definition by Bricktop here)

And really what is Sting Harr thinking in PLD Gold?

WhySeauxSerious wrote:Board is just mean and rude these days...but it definitely isn't because of the top 6 teams parents. And maybe not even because of LH parents either. Maybe that's why Go let yall have the forum?!

soccerjack wrote:

WhySeauxSerious wrote:Board is just mean and rude these days...but it definitely isn't because of the top 6 teams parents. And maybe not even because of LH parents either. Maybe that's why Go let yall have the forum?!

You're getting soft in your old age.....I think you have the same amount of zealots and instigators as last year.  Top 5-6 teams were always on a different level and have probably all improved on top of that.  IMO most of the teams in LH and several in PPL are very good teams....I think people forget that NTX has multiple nationally ranked teams at 12?!?!? and they try to compare their kid or team to them...maybe one day...maybe not.  Who knows.  As for my thoughts....I reserve the right to screw with anyone and or everyone at my sole discretion...all in the name of killing time and getting a chuckle.

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soccerjack wrote:I think west could probably beat lp elite...but elites hiding and not playing 04 teams again.

WhySeauxSerious wrote:Hey, don't get my post as one of concern...just and observation. I prefer it this way but....it just ain't what it used to be, then again...what is?

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:

soccerjack wrote:I think west could probably beat lp elite...but elites hiding and not playing 04 teams again.

Isn't this what the new up and coming mandate wants us to do is play up??  Trust me, its LH structure thats holding us back..

Shake_and_Bake wrote:

WhySeauxSerious wrote:Hey, don't get my post as one of concern...just and observation. I prefer it this way but....it just ain't what it used to be, then again...what is?

Stop being a clown...