Age Pure and Small-Sided - US Soccer Official Announcement

06guest wrote:So do we know call the current 05's 2004's/U11 and the 06's 2005's/U10, etc..

Here are the new US Soccer Age Group names:
http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/assets/1/15/USYS-NEW-SOCCER-AGE-CHART-2016-BIRTH-YEAR-MATRIX%20v1.pdf

who sits on the board of LHGCL...

That chart confuses me. Oct 03 bday is a U13 going into '16-'17 year. I would assume this means she is under 13 when the season starts. But a Jan 04 considered U12 on the same chart, but she is not under 12 when the season starts.

ATP, are you saying Kicks, Bellatores, Triumph, FWFC, Fever will not be given the opportunity to take '05AP teams to LHGCL?

It is entirely within the realm of possibility...

If you take a poll of the squads in LHGCL 05 now, and I have reached out to many of them... they all consistently are dominated by calendar 04s at the higher end of the competitive scale, but all have a good number of calendar 05s....

Those calendar 05s all did qualify last year... unless NTX rewrites the regs this january as they stated they will... AND they allow players to jump onto squads in January...

You will have open period begin in June, contract signing in July and QT at the end of July... those squads would have exactly 1-2 months to play, train, and make ready for QT....

or the 2 for 1 deal...

I belive all should be given fair opportunity to have a shot at it... period

what the league does... who the hell knows. Neither option will be fun, one greatly benefits one party over the other (big clubs vs indies)

Don't  the existing 05 teams in LH just become 04 teams with an 04 bye in U12 (at least those that earn a bye)?  The 05's on those teams could play up if it was still a fit for the team.  Those clubs would have to put together an 05AP team to qualify in U11.

The AP 2005's will be the ones qualifying next year for U11. Nothing really changes. The girls that are already in LHGCL that were born in 2005 have the choice (coaches want them) to continue to play with their current team or they can find a AP 2005 team. They are the ones that would need to go through the qualifying process again. Right??

Does anyone know with any certainty that the current "Select" age group U11 won't be now moved to U13 as well, when they start 11v11. So no contracts until U13, and at 9v9 wouldn't the current academy leagues (UAL, SDL, PrimeTime, etc) be just as eager to maintain the momentum they have? Is it just a given that the status quo will remain with the current league structure?

An AP 06 team for instance would be as follows

U10 for 2015-2016 (9v9) (this season just started) 75 yards x 47 yards
U10 for 2016-2017 (7v7) 47 yards x 30 yards
U11 for 2017-2018 (9v9) 75 yards x 47 yards
U12 for 2018-2019 (9v9) 75 yards x 47 yards
U13 for 2019-2020 (11v11) 112 yards x 75 yards

So that's 4 more years of playing before they get to 11v11, why would I want to sign a contract for "small sided games"?

I dont think anyone expects the AP 06s to drop to 7v7, just like the AP 04s that are on current 05 squads wont be moving down to 9v9 for one year of select before going back to 11v11.

so an AP 06 team will actually look like this...

U10 for 2015-2016 (9v9) (this season just started) 75 yards x 47 yards
U10 for 2016-2017 (9v9) 75 yards x 47 yards
U11 for 2017-2018 (9v9) 75 yards x 47 yards
U12 for 2018-2019 (9v9) 75 yards x 47 yards
U13 for 2019-2020 (11v11) 112 yards x 75 yards

as far as signing a contract for small sided... do you know of select teams that operate without a player contract/agreement?

Its select... i think contracts are not an option regardless of the playing format.

I've not seen any indication of changing the age for the transition from academy to select.

Has anyone else?

As far as I know the current U10s (currently called 06 teams) will still move up to U11 select next summer but be called 05 teams & playing 9v9.

I'd actually be more annoyed if they were playing 11v11 next year. Those goals are crazy big for 10 & 11 year old girls.

Don't most states/associations wait for select until U13?

US Club just put out a press release... they will be implementing the changes as well. said will publish their time line in the next few weeks...

Looks like ECNL will be changing....

From the 2015-2016 NTSSA Bylaws and Rules

Chapter 4 Section 11

4.11 COMPETITIVE LEAGUE RESTRICTIONS FOR U-6, U-8, AND U-10

4.11.1 No Member Association may conduct or sponsor any competitive league competition in U-6, U-8, and U-10 age groups. Players who have not attained the proper age to be eligible for Under 12 play shall not be allowed to play up on competitive (select or tryout) teams or in tournaments designated as competitive (this includes recreational all-star teams). Players who are not eligible for Under 12 play are not free agents and are not eligible to attend tryouts.

Are they amending this so that next year's U11 (ie this years '06 teams) teams with oldest player's birthday being 1-1-2005 but youngest being what age? Any '06 1-1-06 to 12-31-06? Or any Age? are allowed to play up in a competitive league even though they would technically at that point be U10 or younger.

Further down on page 64

NOTE: (Intent of this rule in no way shall preclude a Member Association from inter-playing with another Member Association to insure enough teams to have a proper competition in their recreation league. The intent of this rule is to stop tryouts and competitive leagues in age groups not leading to a regional or national championship as recognized by the United States Soccer Federation).



From this statement if you then read the US Youth Soccer National League Rules

Section 1.03
1.03. Team Gender Age Groups The NL Committee, subject to the US Youth Soccer Board of Directors, shall determine the gender age groups of competition for each seasonal year. The NL currently conducts NL play in the following gender age groups: Boys and Girls U-14, U-15, U-16, U-17, and U-18 gender age groups.

Does not include U12 and below

Which if their "Intent" is true would mean that there shouldn't be or won't be Competitive Leagues for ages U11 and U12 correct?

So if they are going through all of this massive change, why would NTSSA leave it so that everything else has moved to U-13 and above but not the "Competitive" League Age Designation?

So again I ask, why would I want to sign a contract and "Qualify" for a competitive league that are small sided games? Why would NTSSA feel the need to maintain this now outdated rule? Or are they, and we just haven't been informed yet? Just from a cursory Google Search, we are definitely in the minority.

You are reaching... that U12 statement has always been an umbrella to mean U11 and U12 in NTSSA.

as far as national league.. correct, national league does not start until U14 AND a team has to qualify for national league... i believe that means finishing as 1 or 2 in region and i know a national tourney team is an auto qualifier...

I know that U12 includes the U11, that is assumed. The question is why the need for competitive league age designation to be U11 (U12) still, instead of U13 (U14) now that U12 and below is now small sided games?

It's a distinction of whether or not you are bound by a contract and that you either play in a "Competitive" League (LH, Plano, Arlington) or "Recreational" League. No longer eligible for "Academy" League (UAL, SDL, PrimeTime, PSA etc).

Re: Age Pure and Small-Sided - US Soccer Official Announcement
Post by Deuce Today at 1:32 pm

I've not seen any indication of changing the age for the transition from academy to select.

Has anyone else?

As far as I know the current U10s (currently called 06 teams) will still move up to U11 select next summer but be called 05 teams & playing 9v9.

I'd actually be more annoyed if they were playing 11v11 next year. Those goals are crazy big for 10 & 11 year old girls.

Here is the issue - the "05s" on the current 06 teams are playing 9v9 this whole season. Next year if their club (or they choose to move) moved them to an 05 at the appropriate age pure team, they jump to 11v11 because the current 05's play 11v11. what the heck? i do not mind playing 9v9 this year, i am stuck with either having our younger players play up and go 05 and forego qualifying where we think we would have been, but if the team does split them i am not ok moving to an 05 team adn playing 11v11 when we have never done that before. that is CRAP. i want to know where are the big clubs are and what kind of pressure they are going to put on LH and PPL so that this is implemented in 2017 and not 2016 so that it affects the 07s for the playing field part. they will be on 9v9 and come into select at 9v9. come on liverpool, solar, dallas texans......we are the patrons and there should be at least a little bit of pushback. and where are the parents???? we are the patrons. this is something that deserves a solid discussion.

no matter how you are going to do it, it is going to hurt the 05 birthdates on an 06 team but to double whack them --- wow.

blackcleatsoccerfan wrote:Re: Age Pure and Small-Sided - US Soccer Official Announcement
Post by Deuce Today at 1:32 pm

I've not seen any indication of changing the age for the transition from academy to select.

Has anyone else?

As far as I know the current U10s (currently called 06 teams) will still move up to U11 select next summer but be called 05 teams & playing 9v9.

I'd actually be more annoyed if they were playing 11v11 next year. Those goals are crazy big for 10 & 11 year old girls.

Here is the issue - the "05s" on the current 06 teams are playing 9v9 this whole season. Next year if their club (or they choose to move)  moved them to an 05 at the appropriate age pure team, they jump to 11v11 because the current 05's play 11v11.  what the heck?  i do not mind playing 9v9 this year, i am stuck with either having our younger players play up and go 05 and forego qualifying where we think we would have been, but if the team does split them i am not ok moving to an 05 team adn playing 11v11 when we have never done that before.  that is CRAP.  i want to know where are the big clubs are and what kind of pressure they are going to put on LH and PPL so that this is implemented in 2017 and not 2016 so that it affects the 07s for the playing field part.  they will be on 9v9 and come into select at 9v9.  come on liverpool, solar, dallas texans......we are the patrons and there should be at least a little bit of pushback.  and where are the parents???? we are the patrons.  this is something that deserves a solid discussion.  

no matter how you are going to do it, it is going to hurt the 05 birthdates on an 06 team but to double whack them --- wow.          

2005 age pure will be U11 and 9v9.  LHGCL has already announced that but if you decided to play your 8/1/2005 thru 12/31/2005 player up with the 2004 u12 age group she would have to play 11v11 as they are not making u12 9v9 in 2016/2017. They will be the last age group to be 11v11 at u12 in the 2016/2017 season.  In the 2017/2018 season the 2005 birth years will be u12 and be 9v9.  The following season the 2005 age group will go to u13 and be 11v11 in the 2018/2019 season.

The age pure '05s U11 next year will be 9v9, any current '05s that are playing 11v11 in LH will either decide to play up and therefore be playing '04 U12 which will stay 11v11. But any 05 on a 06 team currently can either choose to also go play up with the 04's next year or stay an 05 and play 9v9. Question becomes will it be with your current 06 team or will they choose to stay age pure and you will have to find a pure 05 team to play 9v9.

Same would apply to those AP 05s next year playing 9v9, why the need to be classified as competitive age, subject to binding contracts for small sided games?

Your are arguing over semantics... they have stated they are rewriting the regs in january.

It's select soccer regardless of playing format. Maybe they will catch the typo and fix it for you sir.

Yeah the semantics of what age is the classification of competitive U11 (U12) or U13 (U14).  Changes drastically when exactly those July 05 to Dec 05 girls and their current 06 teams have to make a decision to go "select". If it stays U11 then the 06 teams have to decide to either move up and go " select " with their current July 05 to Dec 05 teammates and friends, or the July 05 to Dec 05 girls have to leave their current 06 teammates and friends and find a new AP '05 team or play up themselves on a '04 team, all by July 1st of next year 2016. Instead of by July 1st 2017 if it moves to U13. So albeit semantics, I was just wondering if anyone knew the answer already, so they could have the information sooner rather than later.

Also maybe, just maybe, someone that might have some influence might actually read what we discuss and would have at least heard what our concerns were.

newbfc wrote:Yeah the semantics of what age is the classification of competitive U11 (U12) or U13 (U14).  Changes drastically when exactly those July 05 to Dec 05 girls and their current 06 teams have to make a decision to go "select". If it stays U11 then the 06 teams have to decide to either move up and go " select " with their current July 05 to Dec 05 teammates and friends, or the July 05 to Dec 05 girls have to leave their current 06 teammates and friends and find a new AP '05 team or play up themselves on a '04 team, all by July 1st of next year 2016. Instead of by July 1st 2017 if it moves to U13. So albeit semantics, I was just wondering if anyone knew the answer already, so they could have the information sooner rather than later.

Also maybe, just maybe, someone that might have some influence might actually read what we discuss and would have at least heard what our concerns were.

We will see significant changes in the makeup of teams come next year.  My 05's team is made up of a majority of 04 birth years.  Being realistic, we know the coach is going to work to make the team better and if there are older 04's that can do that, she may no longer have a roster spot.  So now she's forced to look and attends practices on AP 05 teams.  Someone with an 06 may find themselves in the same predicament where my DD is added to build the team.  I can see that happening across the board from the 01's down.  So, what coaches are planning AP 05 teams?  It's not to early to start looking is it?  

Can an 05 under contract show up and practice with a coach/squad that does not have a current 05 squad registered with NTX...

Let's say for example sake that XYP 05 AP (currently still academy) announced they were going to be an AP 05 squad next fall and are looking for AP 05s.... could kids under contract show up at sessions to take a look at the coach?

AtThePitch wrote:Can an 05 under contract show up and practice with a coach/squad that does not have a current 05 squad registered with NTX...

Let's say for example sake that XYP 05 AP (currently still academy) announced they were going to be an AP 05 squad next fall and are looking for AP 05s.... could kids under contract show up at sessions to take a look at the coach?

I don't think they can. Not without a release.
But to answer Lakedads other question,  It's never too early to start looking. I'm sure there is an AP 05 team that practices at MoneyGram with an excellent coach that would take a look, with a release of course.

But why would a release be needed if it's not a registered competitive team... would it not be just like showing up for a group skills session?

Looks like Swingit, just let the cat out of the bag...

Big dog, you confirming Kicks Selecao AP 05?

DTS will also have a AP 05 team coached by Sal Adames.

Most of these 06 teams will become 05 AP soon most likely.

AtThePitch wrote:But why would a release be needed if it's not a registered competitive team... would it not be just like showing up for a group skills session?

Looks like Swingit, just let the cat out of the bag...

Big dog, you confirming Kicks Selecao AP 05?

You could be right on this one. I'm not 100% sure. That's just the way I understood it.
But, your reasoning makes sense. Someone with more knowledge than me on the subject would have to confirm that one.

I guess I did reveal one of the worst kept secrets in NTX soccer, that Kicks 06, will soon be Kicks AP 05. Along with several other 06 teams come Fall 2016.