05 JDL

KeeperCommander wrote:Lets just recap what JDL has accomplished so far.
1. Nothing.....
I guess that pretty much sums it up.

2.  It got KC to come on here and whine like Donald Trump at a newspaper convention... Oh wait, that would've happened anyways... Nevermind...

bwgophers wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:Lets just recap what JDL has accomplished so far.
1. Nothing.....
I guess that pretty much sums it up.

2.  It got KC to come on here and whine like Donald Trump at a newspaper convention... Oh wait, that would've happened anyways... Nevermind...

That's completely WRONG!!!
You are Fired!!

KeeperCommander wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:Lets just recap what JDL has accomplished so far.
1. Nothing.....
I guess that pretty much sums it up.

2.  It got KC to come on here and whine like Donald Trump at a newspaper convention... Oh wait, that would've happened anyways... Nevermind...

That's completely WRONG!!!
You are Fired!!

Well played sir... Well played...

bwgophers wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:Lets just recap what JDL has accomplished so far.
1. Nothing.....
I guess that pretty much sums it up.

2.  It got KC to come on here and whine like Donald Trump at a newspaper convention... Oh wait, that would've happened anyways... Nevermind...

That's completely WRONG!!!
You are Fired!!

Well played sir... Well played...  

Ok so JDL has accomplished...
1. Nothin
2. Me whining
3. BW thinking he is me
What else has JDL accomplished this year so far?

KeeperCommander wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:Lets just recap what JDL has accomplished so far.
1. Nothing.....
I guess that pretty much sums it up.

2.  It got KC to come on here and whine like Donald Trump at a newspaper convention... Oh wait, that would've happened anyways... Nevermind...

That's completely WRONG!!!
You are Fired!!

Well played sir... Well played...  

Ok so JDL has accomplished...
1. Nothin
2. Me whining
3. BW thinking he is me
What else has JDL accomplished this year so far?

OK, I'm officially confused. Was just giving you credit for a quality retort to my obvious jab at you. Am not making the connection to #3 above...

bwgophers wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:Lets just recap what JDL has accomplished so far.
1. Nothing.....
I guess that pretty much sums it up.

2.  It got KC to come on here and whine like Donald Trump at a newspaper convention... Oh wait, that would've happened anyways... Nevermind...

That's completely WRONG!!!
You are Fired!!

Well played sir... Well played...  

Ok so JDL has accomplished...
1. Nothin
2. Me whining
3. BW thinking he is me
What else has JDL accomplished this year so far?

  OK, I'm officially confused.  Was just giving you credit for a quality retort to my obvious jab at you.  Am not making the connection to #3 above...

Oh I am just giving you a hard time. I love the humor from folks.

1. It made 5-6 D1 bottom teams in believe  they are D1 caliber
2. It gave 8-10 JDL coaches in job security

KeeperCommander wrote:Lets just recap what JDL has accomplished so far.
1. Nothing.....
I guess that pretty much sums it up.

Soccerates01 wrote:1. It made 5-6 D1 bottom teams in believe  they are D1 caliber
2. It gave 8-10 JDL coaches in job security

KeeperCommander wrote:Lets just recap what JDL has accomplished so far.
1. Nothing.....
I guess that pretty much sums it up.

IMO that league did not create that. You would have had that anyway. Not hating though.

Could you explain ?

KeeperCommander wrote:

Soccerates01 wrote:1. It made 5-6 D1 bottom teams in believe  they are D1 caliber
2. It gave 8-10 JDL coaches in job security

KeeperCommander wrote:Lets just recap what JDL has accomplished so far.
1. Nothing.....
I guess that pretty much sums it up.

IMO that league did not create that. You would have had that anyway. Not hating though.

Soccerates01 wrote:Could you explain ?

I don't know what there is to explain but ok.
I think you would have had the same team regardless of JDL.

All of the JDL bashing over the past few months is misguided.  The vision of the league hasn't yet come to fruition due to lack of belief in it from a few clubs, which unfortunately then trickled down to controlling parents that created their own outlandish opinions.  

It was simply supposed to be a league of the top two teams from each ECNL club in NTX and OK.  This would have provided exclusively high level competition in preparation for the ECNL years.  In addition, it would allow these clubs/coaches to evaluate this talent.

It hasn't been able to get off the ground (especially in the 05 and 06 groups) as it was imagined due to the largest reason that NTX soccer is struggling to produce top talent ... too many choices, too many opinions, and parody.  Consolidation of talent is the answer and the JDL is a step in the right direction ... just need a couple of the clubs involved (and a lot of you parents) to buy in.

Parody is right

BigErn wrote:All of the JDL bashing over the past few months is misguided.  The vision of the league hasn't yet come to fruition due to lack of belief in it from a few clubs, which unfortunately then trickled down to controlling parents that created their own outlandish opinions.  

It was simply supposed to be a league of the top two teams from each ECNL club in NTX and OK.  This would have provided exclusively high level competition in preparation for the ECNL years.  In addition, it would allow these clubs/coaches to evaluate this talent.

It hasn't been able to get off the ground (especially in the 05 and 06 groups) as it was imagined due to the largest reason that NTX soccer is struggling to produce top talent ... too many choices, too many opinions, and parody.  Consolidation of talent is the answer and the JDL is a step in the right direction ... just need a couple of the clubs involved (and a lot of you parents) to buy in.

Don't get me wrong, the idea is not bad. No pressure so players can be moved around and the coach has the ability to play the way he wants to. Sounds good right?
Here is the strange part to me. I can't speak for anyone else. Why does everyone think they had to create a special league for this? It's absurd. In 2 years when it's over dont you think they will go right back to playing to win because you know at that time scores are kept. Again don't get me wrong I think the idea of what they are trying to accomplish is good, it's the way they went about it that is insane.
I have several friends that play for different JDL teams. Some are very happy with it, some are indifferent but many think it's flawed. Just thoughts.

the idea is good the system is working in the right direction. These things take time evaluation and correction. Pooling north Texas top talent and providing them with exceptional training and hopefully trainers is the right direction.

I'm sorry this will not include all. I would like to see this movement be able to remove the pay to play model and allow equality for all players with abilities.

JDL is doing exactly what it is intended to do. Teams are being set apart prior to LHGCL for consolidation of players to DA/ECNL programs. Any of the older parents can tell you that the disruption ECNL caused at U14 was always a mess. They, the big 4-5, have eliminated that. They have LHGCL teams, and they DA/ECNL teams set aside already. Will these players for sure be on those teams? no, but it is a good starting point for consolidation. Now we are moving kids around, not full teams.
2. WHY CREATE THE SPECIAL LEAGUE QUESTION. --KC
This one seems super obvious, but let me go ahead and waste a second anyway. When you have been a part of competitive soccer, you able able to realize something. Competitive kids/parents want to be on the best teams. Best teams in classic means you finish top  of the table. This league has given coaches the flexibility to move kids anywhere on the field without worrying about losing points. Not losing points, not losing table position, not losing table position not losing parents. JDL teams play to win because they are hyper-competitive, not because of fear of relegation.
It really is an easy concept. Move some kids around in classic and drop games, I dare you, your kids will be at our practices as soon as possible. (which has already started)

tpitty wrote:JDL is doing exactly what it is intended to do. Teams are being set apart prior to LHGCL for consolidation of players to DA/ECNL programs. Any of the older parents can tell you that the disruption ECNL caused at U14 was always a mess. They have eliminated that. They have LHGCL teams, and they DA/ECNL teams set aside already. Will these players for sure be on those teams? no, but it is a good starting point for consolidation. Now we are moving kids around, not full tteams.
2. WHY CREATE THE SPECIAL LEAGUE QUESTION. --KC
This one seems super obvious, but let me go ahead and waste a second anyway. When you have been a part of competitive soccer, you able able to realize something. Competitive kids/parents want to be on the best teams. Best teams in classic means you finish top  of the table. This league has given coaches the flexibility to move kids anywhere on the field without worrying about losing points. Not losing points, not losing table position, not losing table position not losing parents. Teams play to win because they are competitive, not because of fear of relegation.
It really is an easy concept. Move some kids around in classic and drop games, I dare you, your kids will be at our practices as soon as possible. (which has already started)

I brought it up because the question was raised that parents were not buying in yet or enough. My question was why get 100's of parents to buy in to something they should already have. Everyone is acting as if soccer was just invented and it takes a bit to work the kinks out.
I am not arguing the league or the fact that it is only certain clubs. For that I couldn't care less. My point is if you do not change the coaches outlook then they will go right back to win at all costs in 2 years during ECNL days. Simple. After hearing your argument I do not believe we are speaking of the same thing.

KeeperCommander wrote:Lets just recap what JDL has accomplished so far.
1. Nothing.....
I guess that pretty much sums it up.

Actually, your statement was that it has accomplished nothing. I just gave you two simplistic items it is currently accomplishing.

Add Lakedads next flight school...and that is 3 items.

Zizou wrote:I'm sorry this will not include all. I would like to see this movement be able to remove the pay to play model and allow equality for all players with abilities.

Soon enough. The Galaxy have a fully funded DA girls program, expect FCD to follow suit. It may take a while for that to trickle down to the other clubs.

I put the link below:

LA GALAXY FUNDED

Tp- so JDL was created to eliminate any disruption at u14? Not buying that.
And these players that are already at your practices, w+ouldn't they need a release?

tpitty wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:Lets just recap what JDL has accomplished so far.
1. Nothing.....
I guess that pretty much sums it up.

Actually, your statement was that it has accomplished nothing. I just gave you two simplistic items it is currently accomplishing.

Add Lakedads next flight school...and that is 3 items.

Lakedads flight school is well an anomaly. Now to answer you post, no I do not believe the JDL has accomplished anything yet. Will it? Don't know. I do not believe it will be the root cause for such a change. Some of these teams still kick the ball out of bounds like 3rd graders. Nerve racking to watch. If there is no pressure why not try and possess the ball. Take it up the field instead of bleacher hockey.

Buddy Israel wrote:Tp- so JDL was created to eliminate any disruption at u14? Not buying that.
And these players that are already at your practices, w+ouldn't they need a release?

Well you don't have to buy it yet. Let an older parent, who has seen team upheaval when ECNL begins tell you if they believe this will make it easier for the ECNL/DA clubs. Then you can decide. This is just the first season, so we are having to look into the future a bit.
...and this wasn't/isn't its sole purpose. Just an added bonus. Like I said, player consolidation for top teams was another reason. Development of ID'd players....I am sure they have lots of good reasons. I was just giving the low hanging fruit ones. Easy peasy.

Wouldn't they need a release??  --No. Two different organizations.

tpitty wrote:

Buddy Israel wrote:Tp- so JDL was created to eliminate any disruption at u14? Not buying that.
And these players that are already at your practices, w+ouldn't they need a release?

Well you don't have to buy it yet. Let an older parent, who has seen team upheaval when ECNL begins tell you if they believe this will make it easier for the ECNL/DA clubs. Then you can decide. This is just the first season, so we are having to look into the future a bit.

Wouldn't they need a release??  --No. Two different organizations.

Correct. A player does not need a release but that doesn't mean the coach wouldn't cut them if they went to another club practice.

Blah blah. Jdl is a consolidation of every kid the bigs can get their hands on at a younger age "marketing". These same clubs had ecnl before and a large number of those players at some clubs came from elsewhere, because their "system" didn't develop or recognize at a younger age. But now that will all change.

Btw I would be willing to bet that there have been a lot of jdl games already played with the same lineup on the field with few substitutions or playing of different positions.
Because the coach was experimenting by limiting play time for some and pigeon holing others. What the experiment taught them is they can monopolize the younger kids by changing the name and cutting out competition.

Reminds me of a coach selling me on his club having ecnl and she would be a shoe in. My kid was 7...same bs only now it's selling on jdl at younger ages.

Hasn't JDL done exactly what it is supposed to do? it enables these teams to have decent games on the weekend instead of having 15 games in a 20 game Classic League season that are a complete waste of time. What am I missing?

slrsoccer wrote:Hasn't JDL done exactly what it is supposed to do?  it enables these teams to have decent games on the weekend instead of having 15 games in a 20 game Classic League season that are a complete waste of time.  What am I missing?

Sorry but I have heard 5 of your 8 teams are a complete waste of time.