05 JDL

slrsoccer wrote:Hasn't JDL done exactly what it is supposed to do?  it enables these teams to have decent games on the weekend instead of having 15 games in a 20 game Classic League season that are a complete waste of time.  What am I missing?

Sorry but I have heard 5 of your 8 teams are a complete waste of time.

KeeperCommander wrote:

slrsoccer wrote:Hasn't JDL done exactly what it is supposed to do?  it enables these teams to have decent games on the weekend instead of having 15 games in a 20 game Classic League season that are a complete waste of time.  What am I missing?

Sorry but I have heard 5 of your 8 teams are a complete waste of time.

Kills me when I'm thinking what Kc said. The percent of wasted games in jdl is prob about the same as a 20 team d-1 division.

soccerjack wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

slrsoccer wrote:Hasn't JDL done exactly what it is supposed to do?  it enables these teams to have decent games on the weekend instead of having 15 games in a 20 game Classic League season that are a complete waste of time.  What am I missing?

Sorry but I have heard 5 of your 8 teams are a complete waste of time.

Kills me when I'm thinking what Kc said. The percent of wasted games in jdl is prob about the same as a 20 team d-1 division.

Oh please, no doubt there are wasted games in D1. No question. But SLRS comment has no merit.

KeeperCommander wrote:

slrsoccer wrote:Hasn't JDL done exactly what it is supposed to do?  it enables these teams to have decent games on the weekend instead of having 15 games in a 20 game Classic League season that are a complete waste of time.  What am I missing?

Sorry but I have heard 5 of your 8 teams are a complete waste of time.

You've "heard" 5 of 8? A "complete waste of time"?  Nobody has challenged my guesses at the table.  

W-L-D
1.  DT South - 6MP; 6-0-0; 18 PTS
2.  Solar Pulp - 6MP; 4-1-1; 13 PTS
2.  FCD Red - 6MP; 4-1-1; 13 PTS
4.  Solar Colvin - 5MP; 2-2-1; 7 PTS
5.  Sting Parsons - 5MP; 1-2-2; 5 PTS
6.  Sting Higgy - 6MP; 1-3-2; 5 PTS
7.  FCD Blue - 5MP; 0-4-1; 1 PTS
8.  DT Central - 5MP; 0-5-0; 0 PTS

So your suggestion is that the other 3 are whom?  DTS, FCD Red, and Solar Pulp?  Perhaps you think FCD Red is a waste of time because DTS just beat them soundly and the other is Solar Colvin? You'd be wrong regardless of who you select.

In my opinion, 6-7 of the 8 would be in the top 10 of LH.  Heck, even with their struggles, DT Central has climbed to No. 13.  There aren't many games between JDL and LH teams, but let me point out a few going back to TUT:

DTS's record against LH teams speaks for itself.  But I would add that they are generally more soundly thumping all LH teams.

Solar Colvin 3 - FCD No. White 0.  FCD No. White is tied for 9th in LH.
Solar Colvin 4 - Kicks JM 1.  Kicks JM is tied for 9th in LH.
Solar Colvin 7 - Triumph 0.  Triumph is tied for 9th in LH (with one less match).
Solar Colvin 2 - Sting East 0.  Sting East is tied for 4th.

Solar Pulp 1 - Solar Byars 0.  Byars is 6th in LH (and who was playing with Byars?).
Solar Pulp 1 - Solar Byars 1.  Byars is 6th in LH (and who was playing with Byars?).
Solar Pulp 1 - FCD No. White 1.  FCD No. White is tied for 9th in LH.

FCD Red 1 - Kicks Selecao 0.  Kicks is 1st in LH.
FCD Red 4 - Kicks JM 0.  Kicks JM is tied for 9th in LH.

Sting Parsons 3 - Kicks JM 1.  Kicks JM is tied for 9th in LH.

Sting Higgy - no games against LH teams.

FCD Blue 2 - FCD No. White 1. FCD No. White is tied for 9th in LH.
FCD Blue 1 - Solar Haylock 0.  Solar Haylock is 8th in LH.
FDC Blue 5 - Solar Haylock 0.  Solar Haylock is 8th in LH.
FCD Blue 0 - Sting West Bean 0.  Sting is 12th in LH.

DT Central's record also speaks for itself.  Yes, they are struggling in both leagues but recently beat Solar Byars 3-0 and tied FCD No. White.  

Your jealousy or hatred of JDL is irrational.  The JDL teams get far better games game in and game out than if they were in LH.

ForReal wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

slrsoccer wrote:Hasn't JDL done exactly what it is supposed to do?  it enables these teams to have decent games on the weekend instead of having 15 games in a 20 game Classic League season that are a complete waste of time.  What am I missing?

Sorry but I have heard 5 of your 8 teams are a complete waste of time.

You've "heard" 5 of 8? A "complete waste of time"?  Nobody has challenged my guesses at the table.  

W-L-D
1.  DT South - 6MP; 6-0-0; 18 PTS
2.  Solar Pulp - 6MP; 4-1-1; 13 PTS
2.  FCD Red - 6MP; 4-1-1; 13 PTS
4.  Solar Colvin - 5MP; 2-2-1; 7 PTS
5.  Sting Parsons - 5MP; 1-2-2; 5 PTS
6.  Sting Higgy - 6MP; 1-3-2; 5 PTS
7.  FCD Blue - 5MP; 0-4-1; 1 PTS
8.  DT Central - 5MP; 0-5-0; 0 PTS

So your suggestion is that the other 3 are whom?  DTS, FCD Red, and Solar Pulp?  Perhaps you think FCD Red is a waste of time because DTS just beat them soundly and the other is Solar Colvin? You'd be wrong regardless of who you select.

In my opinion, 6-7 of the 8 would be in the top 10 of LH.  Heck, even with their struggles, DT Central has climbed to No. 13.  There aren't many games between JDL and LH teams, but let me point out a few going back to TUT:

DTS's record against LH teams speaks for itself.  But I would add that they are generally more soundly thumping all LH teams.

Solar Colvin 3 - FCD No. White 0.  FCD No. White is tied for 9th in LH.
Solar Colvin 4 - Kicks JM 1.  Kicks JM is tied for 9th in LH.
Solar Colvin 7 - Triumph 0.  Triumph is tied for 9th in LH (with one less match).
Solar Colvin 2 - Sting East 0.  Sting East is tied for 4th.

Solar Pulp 1 - Solar Byars 0.  Byars is 6th in LH (and who was playing with Byars?).
Solar Pulp 1 - Solar Byars 1.  Byars is 6th in LH (and who was playing with Byars?).
Solar Pulp 1 - FCD No. White 1.  FCD No. White is tied for 9th in LH.

FCD Red 1 - Kicks Selecao 0.  Kicks is 1st in LH.
FCD Red 4 - Kicks JM 0.  Kicks JM is tied for 9th in LH.

Sting Parsons 3 - Kicks JM 1.  Kicks JM is tied for 9th in LH.

Sting Higgy - no games against LH teams.

FCD Blue 2 - FCD No. White 1. FCD No. White is tied for 9th in LH.
FCD Blue 1 - Solar Haylock 0.  Solar Haylock is 8th in LH.
FDC Blue 5 - Solar Haylock 0.  Solar Haylock is 8th in LH.
FCD Blue 0 - Sting West Bean 0.  Sting is 12th in LH.

DT Central's record also speaks for itself.  Yes, they are struggling in both leagues but recently beat Solar Byars 3-0 and tied FCD No. White.  

Your jealousy or hatred of JDL is irrational.  The JDL teams get far better games game in and game out than if they were in LH.

I have no jealousy or hatred for JDL. To me is a forum so lets forum. You want to sit around the campfire all night and sing Carpenter's songs, well I guess we can do that too. If not, lets have a debate. For me 4 have talent. Bottom 4 would struggle in LH on a regular basis. Especially when it goes to 9 or 10 teams.
I just said that I have heard from others that 5 of 8 are weak. That is coming from JDL parents not LH parents. Probably .500 record end of year for those teams that you say would be in LH. Now that in all reality isnt bad. Now take one of the teams that you are comparing which is DT Central. They have 2 wins in 9 games and they are 13th because of points and its a weak bottom half of a 20 team div like its been said. #2 FCD Red and #3 Colvin will def cause some havoc among the top teams as they have the ability to beat some top level talent.

ForReal wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

slrsoccer wrote:Hasn't JDL done exactly what it is supposed to do?  it enables these teams to have decent games on the weekend instead of having 15 games in a 20 game Classic League season that are a complete waste of time.  What am I missing?

Sorry but I have heard 5 of your 8 teams are a complete waste of time.

You've "heard" 5 of 8? A "complete waste of time"?  Nobody has challenged my guesses at the table.  

W-L-D
1.  DT South - 6MP; 6-0-0; 18 PTS
2.  Solar Pulp - 6MP; 4-1-1; 13 PTS
2.  FCD Red - 6MP; 4-1-1; 13 PTS
4.  Solar Colvin - 5MP; 2-2-1; 7 PTS
5.  Sting Parsons - 5MP; 1-2-2; 5 PTS
6.  Sting Higgy - 6MP; 1-3-2; 5 PTS
7.  FCD Blue - 5MP; 0-4-1; 1 PTS
8.  DT Central - 5MP; 0-5-0; 0 PTS

So your suggestion is that the other 3 are whom?  DTS, FCD Red, and Solar Pulp?  Perhaps you think FCD Red is a waste of time because DTS just beat them soundly and the other is Solar Colvin? You'd be wrong regardless of who you select.

In my opinion, 6-7 of the 8 would be in the top 10 of LH.  Heck, even with their struggles, DT Central has climbed to No. 13.  There aren't many games between JDL and LH teams, but let me point out a few going back to TUT:

DTS's record against LH teams speaks for itself.  But I would add that they are generally more soundly thumping all LH teams.

Solar Colvin 3 - FCD No. White 0.  FCD No. White is tied for 9th in LH.
Solar Colvin 4 - Kicks JM 1.  Kicks JM is tied for 9th in LH.
Solar Colvin 7 - Triumph 0.  Triumph is tied for 9th in LH (with one less match).
Solar Colvin 2 - Sting East 0.  Sting East is tied for 4th.

Solar Pulp 1 - Solar Byars 0.  Byars is 6th in LH (and who was playing with Byars?).
Solar Pulp 1 - Solar Byars 1.  Byars is 6th in LH (and who was playing with Byars?).
Solar Pulp 1 - FCD No. White 1.  FCD No. White is tied for 9th in LH.

FCD Red 1 - Kicks Selecao 0.  Kicks is 1st in LH.
FCD Red 4 - Kicks JM 0.  Kicks JM is tied for 9th in LH.

Sting Parsons 3 - Kicks JM 1.  Kicks JM is tied for 9th in LH.

Sting Higgy - no games against LH teams.

FCD Blue 2 - FCD No. White 1. FCD No. White is tied for 9th in LH.
FCD Blue 1 - Solar Haylock 0.  Solar Haylock is 8th in LH.
FDC Blue 5 - Solar Haylock 0.  Solar Haylock is 8th in LH.
FCD Blue 0 - Sting West Bean 0.  Sting is 12th in LH.

DT Central's record also speaks for itself.  Yes, they are struggling in both leagues but recently beat Solar Byars 3-0 and tied FCD No. White.  

Your jealousy or hatred of JDL is irrational.  The JDL teams get far better games game in and game out than if they were in LH.

Who are Colvin's losses to?

KeeperCommander wrote:

ForReal wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

slrsoccer wrote:Hasn't JDL done exactly what it is supposed to do?  it enables these teams to have decent games on the weekend instead of having 15 games in a 20 game Classic League season that are a complete waste of time.  What am I missing?

Sorry but I have heard 5 of your 8 teams are a complete waste of time.

You've "heard" 5 of 8? A "complete waste of time"?  Nobody has challenged my guesses at the table.  

W-L-D
1.  DT South - 6MP; 6-0-0; 18 PTS
2.  Solar Pulp - 6MP; 4-1-1; 13 PTS
2.  FCD Red - 6MP; 4-1-1; 13 PTS
4.  Solar Colvin - 5MP; 2-2-1; 7 PTS
5.  Sting Parsons - 5MP; 1-2-2; 5 PTS
6.  Sting Higgy - 6MP; 1-3-2; 5 PTS
7.  FCD Blue - 5MP; 0-4-1; 1 PTS
8.  DT Central - 5MP; 0-5-0; 0 PTS

So your suggestion is that the other 3 are whom?  DTS, FCD Red, and Solar Pulp?  Perhaps you think FCD Red is a waste of time because DTS just beat them soundly and the other is Solar Colvin? You'd be wrong regardless of who you select.

In my opinion, 6-7 of the 8 would be in the top 10 of LH.  Heck, even with their struggles, DT Central has climbed to No. 13.  There aren't many games between JDL and LH teams, but let me point out a few going back to TUT:

DTS's record against LH teams speaks for itself.  But I would add that they are generally more soundly thumping all LH teams.

Solar Colvin 3 - FCD No. White 0.  FCD No. White is tied for 9th in LH.
Solar Colvin 4 - Kicks JM 1.  Kicks JM is tied for 9th in LH.
Solar Colvin 7 - Triumph 0.  Triumph is tied for 9th in LH (with one less match).
Solar Colvin 2 - Sting East 0.  Sting East is tied for 4th.

Solar Pulp 1 - Solar Byars 0.  Byars is 6th in LH (and who was playing with Byars?).
Solar Pulp 1 - Solar Byars 1.  Byars is 6th in LH (and who was playing with Byars?).
Solar Pulp 1 - FCD No. White 1.  FCD No. White is tied for 9th in LH.

FCD Red 1 - Kicks Selecao 0.  Kicks is 1st in LH.
FCD Red 4 - Kicks JM 0.  Kicks JM is tied for 9th in LH.

Sting Parsons 3 - Kicks JM 1.  Kicks JM is tied for 9th in LH.

Sting Higgy - no games against LH teams.

FCD Blue 2 - FCD No. White 1. FCD No. White is tied for 9th in LH.
FCD Blue 1 - Solar Haylock 0.  Solar Haylock is 8th in LH.
FDC Blue 5 - Solar Haylock 0.  Solar Haylock is 8th in LH.
FCD Blue 0 - Sting West Bean 0.  Sting is 12th in LH.

DT Central's record also speaks for itself.  Yes, they are struggling in both leagues but recently beat Solar Byars 3-0 and tied FCD No. White.  

Your jealousy or hatred of JDL is irrational.  The JDL teams get far better games game in and game out than if they were in LH.

I have no jealousy or hatred for JDL.  To me is a forum so lets forum.  You want to sit around the campfire all night and sing Carpenter's songs, well I guess we can do that too.  If not, lets have a debate. For me 4 have talent.  Bottom 4 would struggle in LH on a regular basis. Especially when it goes to 9 or 10 teams.  
I just said that I have heard from others that 5 of 8 are weak. That is coming from JDL parents not LH parents.  Probably .500 record end of year for those teams that you say would be in LH.  Now that in all reality isnt bad.  Now take one of the teams that you are comparing which is DT Central.  They have 2 wins in 9 games and they are 13th because of points and its a weak bottom half of a 20 team div like its been said.  #2 FCD Red and #3 Colvin will def cause some havoc among the top teams as they have the ability to beat some top level talent.  

I don't mind a debate at all.  I just don't know how you can look at the sampling of games I just shared and conclude the "bottom 4 would struggle in LH on a regular basis."  So, let's debate, but try using some data.  Or, maybe let's wait for some tournaments.  Perhaps I'll be proven wrong, but I don't see it being so from the results to date.  As for what you're hearing from JDL parents, they should go to a LH game.  I think they'd see a notable difference.

You should come watch some JDL games.  If you still share your opinion, well, then there's no amount of debate that will change that.

And, you can see from my comments that I'm not sure DT Central would be in the top 10, but their schedule has been pretty tough.  They've played Nos. 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 10, 11, 17, and 20.

Oh, if my guesses are correct, Colvin lost to DTS and Pulpaneck.  They have yet to play Sting Higgy.

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KeeperCommander wrote:

ForReal wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

slrsoccer wrote:Hasn't JDL done exactly what it is supposed to do?  it enables these teams to have decent games on the weekend instead of having 15 games in a 20 game Classic League season that are a complete waste of time.  What am I missing?

Sorry but I have heard 5 of your 8 teams are a complete waste of time.

You've "heard" 5 of 8? A "complete waste of time"?  Nobody has challenged my guesses at the table.  

W-L-D
1.  DT South - 6MP; 6-0-0; 18 PTS
2.  Solar Pulp - 6MP; 4-1-1; 13 PTS
2.  FCD Red - 6MP; 4-1-1; 13 PTS
4.  Solar Colvin - 5MP; 2-2-1; 7 PTS
5.  Sting Parsons - 5MP; 1-2-2; 5 PTS
6.  Sting Higgy - 6MP; 1-3-2; 5 PTS
7.  FCD Blue - 5MP; 0-4-1; 1 PTS
8.  DT Central - 5MP; 0-5-0; 0 PTS

So your suggestion is that the other 3 are whom?  DTS, FCD Red, and Solar Pulp?  Perhaps you think FCD Red is a waste of time because DTS just beat them soundly and the other is Solar Colvin? You'd be wrong regardless of who you select.

In my opinion, 6-7 of the 8 would be in the top 10 of LH.  Heck, even with their struggles, DT Central has climbed to No. 13.  There aren't many games between JDL and LH teams, but let me point out a few going back to TUT:

DTS's record against LH teams speaks for itself.  But I would add that they are generally more soundly thumping all LH teams.

Solar Colvin 3 - FCD No. White 0.  FCD No. White is tied for 9th in LH.
Solar Colvin 4 - Kicks JM 1.  Kicks JM is tied for 9th in LH.
Solar Colvin 7 - Triumph 0.  Triumph is tied for 9th in LH (with one less match).
Solar Colvin 2 - Sting East 0.  Sting East is tied for 4th.

Solar Pulp 1 - Solar Byars 0.  Byars is 6th in LH (and who was playing with Byars?).
Solar Pulp 1 - Solar Byars 1.  Byars is 6th in LH (and who was playing with Byars?).
Solar Pulp 1 - FCD No. White 1.  FCD No. White is tied for 9th in LH.

FCD Red 1 - Kicks Selecao 0.  Kicks is 1st in LH.
FCD Red 4 - Kicks JM 0.  Kicks JM is tied for 9th in LH.

Sting Parsons 3 - Kicks JM 1.  Kicks JM is tied for 9th in LH.

Sting Higgy - no games against LH teams.

FCD Blue 2 - FCD No. White 1. FCD No. White is tied for 9th in LH.
FCD Blue 1 - Solar Haylock 0.  Solar Haylock is 8th in LH.
FDC Blue 5 - Solar Haylock 0.  Solar Haylock is 8th in LH.
FCD Blue 0 - Sting West Bean 0.  Sting is 12th in LH.

DT Central's record also speaks for itself.  Yes, they are struggling in both leagues but recently beat Solar Byars 3-0 and tied FCD No. White.  

Your jealousy or hatred of JDL is irrational.  The JDL teams get far better games game in and game out than if they were in LH.

I have no jealousy or hatred for JDL.  To me is a forum so lets forum.  You want to sit around the campfire all night and sing Carpenter's songs, well I guess we can do that too.  If not, lets have a debate. For me 4 have talent.  Bottom 4 would struggle in LH on a regular basis. Especially when it goes to 9 or 10 teams.  
I just said that I have heard from others that 5 of 8 are weak. That is coming from JDL parents not LH parents.  Probably .500 record end of year for those teams that you say would be in LH.  Now that in all reality isnt bad.  Now take one of the teams that you are comparing which is DT Central.  They have 2 wins in 9 games and they are 13th because of points and its a weak bottom half of a 20 team div like its been said.  #2 FCD Red and #3 Colvin will def cause some havoc among the top teams as they have the ability to beat some top level talent.  

I don't mind a debate at all.  I just don't know how you can look at the sampling of games I just shared and conclude the "bottom 4 would struggle in LH on a regular basis."  So, let's debate, but try using some data.  Or, maybe let's wait for some tournaments.  Perhaps I'll be proven wrong, but I don't see it being so from the results to date.  As for what you're hearing from JDL parents, they should go to a LH game.  I think they'd see a notable difference.

You should come watch some JDL games.  If you still share your opinion, well, then there's no amount of debate that will change that.

And, you can see from my comments that I'm not sure DT Central would be in the top 10, but their schedule has been pretty tough.  They've played Nos. 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 10, 11, 17, and 20.

Oh, if my guesses are correct, Colvin lost to DTS and Pulpaneck.  They have yet to play Sting Higgy.

A good question would be have any bottom 4 beat a top 4. If yes then was it luck or do they really have it. If not then well.... Higgy is the wildcard here. I certainly thought they would be up there but their record suggest otherwise and they have not played anything outside of JDL.
There will always be top and bottom teams. It's the system of a W-L scenario. Even if the bottom team does not suck they may not be as powerful as the top team.
SLRS comment that they have week to week high level combat might be just as laughable. Given the ratios of good to bad in both leagues it might come out to about equal. No one wins.

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slrsoccer wrote:Hasn't JDL done exactly what it is supposed to do?  it enables these teams to have decent games on the weekend instead of having 15 games in a 20 game Classic League season that are a complete waste of time.  What am I missing?

Sorry but I have heard 5 of your 8 teams are a complete waste of time.

Kills me when I'm thinking what Kc said. The percent of wasted games in jdl is prob about the same as a 20 team d-1 division.

Oh please, no doubt there are wasted games in D1. No question. But SLRS comment has no merit.

I actually agreed with you Kc. You can only fight one side at a time.  My point was that a 50/50 split in quality with only 8 teams is a lot worse than the same split in a 20 team league.

At the end of the day shouldn't the bottom four teams in jdl be better in some way than all other lh teams? Having jdl in their name doesn't count.

soccerjack wrote:

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soccerjack wrote:

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slrsoccer wrote:Hasn't JDL done exactly what it is supposed to do?  it enables these teams to have decent games on the weekend instead of having 15 games in a 20 game Classic League season that are a complete waste of time.  What am I missing?

Sorry but I have heard 5 of your 8 teams are a complete waste of time.

Kills me when I'm thinking what Kc said. The percent of wasted games in jdl is prob about the same as a 20 team d-1 division.

Oh please, no doubt there are wasted games in D1. No question. But SLRS comment has no merit.

I actually agreed with you Kc. You can only fight one side at a time.  My point was that a 50/50 split in quality with only 8 teams is a lot worse than the same split in a 20 team league.

At the end of the day shouldn't the bottom four teams in jdl be better in some way than all other lh teams. Having jdl in their name doesn't count.

I guess I read that wrong. My apologies to the chef. However no I don't think that just because it's JDL teams should they automatically be considered better than LH. Is it possible yes but not even close to likely.

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soccerjack wrote:

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slrsoccer wrote:Hasn't JDL done exactly what it is supposed to do?  it enables these teams to have decent games on the weekend instead of having 15 games in a 20 game Classic League season that are a complete waste of time.  What am I missing?

Sorry but I have heard 5 of your 8 teams are a complete waste of time.

Kills me when I'm thinking what Kc said. The percent of wasted games in jdl is prob about the same as a 20 team d-1 division.

Oh please, no doubt there are wasted games in D1. No question. But SLRS comment has no merit.

I actually agreed with you Kc. You can only fight one side at a time.  My point was that a 50/50 split in quality with only 8 teams is a lot worse than the same split in a 20 team league.

At the end of the day shouldn't the bottom four teams in jdl be better in some way than all other lh teams. Having jdl in their name doesn't count.

I guess I read that wrong. My apologies to the chef. However no I don't think that just because it's JDL teams should they automatically be considered better than LH. Is it possible yes but not even close to likely.

Alright Kc....work with me here that was a smart a$$ rhetorical answer I gave. I agree with you and am trying to work with you here. Jdl has some good teams because of coaching and recruiting, but they all should be considerably better than every lh team simply because that was the bs recruiting pitch thrown out. Overall I think it was a sleazy money grab by the bigs. Doesn't impact me either way.

Who is saying every JDL team is better than every LH team?  

The top teams are always going to recruit well. JDL doesn't change that unless you really buy into those pitches. Heck, several parents were and remain very skeptical of JDL.

I will not debate the motives of forming JDL.  It's probably a mixed bag depending on which of the powers that be is questioned and gives an honest answer. But, regardless, it has had one of the intended impacts of putting a very large majority of the best teams in one smaller league.

ForReal wrote:Who is saying every JDL team is better than every LH team?  

The top teams are always going to recruit well. JDL doesn't change that unless you really buy into those pitches. Heck, several parents were and remain very skeptical of JDL.

I will not debate the motives of forming JDL.  It's probably a mixed bag depending on which of the powers that be is questioned and gives an honest answer. But, regardless, it has had one of the intended impacts of putting a very large majority of the best teams in one smaller league.

You're correct they have 4 of the better teams. mission accomplished. Should probably charge more for this accomplishment. Oops.

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Sorry but I have heard 5 of your 8 teams are a complete waste of time.

Kills me when I'm thinking what Kc said. The percent of wasted games in jdl is prob about the same as a 20 team d-1 division.

Oh please, no doubt there are wasted games in D1. No question. But SLRS comment has no merit.

I actually agreed with you Kc. You can only fight one side at a time.  My point was that a 50/50 split in quality with only 8 teams is a lot worse than the same split in a 20 team league.

At the end of the day shouldn't the bottom four teams in jdl be better in some way than all other lh teams. Having jdl in their name doesn't count.

I guess I read that wrong. My apologies to the chef. However no I don't think that just because it's JDL teams should they automatically be considered better than LH. Is it possible yes but not even close to likely.

Alright Kc....work with me here that was a smart a$$ rhetorical answer I gave. I agree with you and am trying to work with you here. Jdl has some good teams because of coaching and recruiting, but they all should be considerably better than every lh team simply because that was the bs recruiting pitch thrown out.  Overall I think it was a sleazy money grab by the bigs. Doesn't impact me either way.

Saying something "should be considered" is a dead giveaway it isn't true

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soccerjack wrote:


Kills me when I'm thinking what Kc said. The percent of wasted games in jdl is prob about the same as a 20 team d-1 division.

Oh please, no doubt there are wasted games in D1. No question. But SLRS comment has no merit.

I actually agreed with you Kc. You can only fight one side at a time.  My point was that a 50/50 split in quality with only 8 teams is a lot worse than the same split in a 20 team league.

At the end of the day shouldn't the bottom four teams in jdl be better in some way than all other lh teams. Having jdl in their name doesn't count.

I guess I read that wrong. My apologies to the chef. However no I don't think that just because it's JDL teams should they automatically be considered better than LH. Is it possible yes but not even close to likely.

Alright Kc....work with me here that was a smart a$$ rhetorical answer I gave. I agree with you and am trying to work with you here. Jdl has some good teams because of coaching and recruiting, but they all should be considerably better than every lh team simply because that was the bs recruiting pitch thrown out.  Overall I think it was a sleazy money grab by the bigs. Doesn't impact me either way.

Saying something "should be considered" is a dead giveaway it isn't true

You'd have to keep score if you want factual data. That would take away the aura of jdl. So just consider jdl better and all is good.

soccerjack wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

soccerjack wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

soccerjack wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:
Oh please, no doubt there are wasted games in D1. No question. But SLRS comment has no merit.

I actually agreed with you Kc. You can only fight one side at a time.  My point was that a 50/50 split in quality with only 8 teams is a lot worse than the same split in a 20 team league.

At the end of the day shouldn't the bottom four teams in jdl be better in some way than all other lh teams. Having jdl in their name doesn't count.

I guess I read that wrong. My apologies to the chef. However no I don't think that just because it's JDL teams should they automatically be considered better than LH. Is it possible yes but not even close to likely.

Alright Kc....work with me here that was a smart a$$ rhetorical answer I gave. I agree with you and am trying to work with you here. Jdl has some good teams because of coaching and recruiting, but they all should be considerably better than every lh team simply because that was the bs recruiting pitch thrown out.  Overall I think it was a sleazy money grab by the bigs. Doesn't impact me either way.

Saying something "should be considered" is a dead giveaway it isn't true

You'd have to keep score if you want factual data. That would take away the aura of jdl. So just consider jdl better and all is good.

Well speaking of something that doesn't make sense..... I was curious how bad DTS beat Revolution this week but the game disappeared. Anybody know why?

KeeperCommander wrote:

soccerjack wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

soccerjack wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

soccerjack wrote:

I actually agreed with you Kc. You can only fight one side at a time.  My point was that a 50/50 split in quality with only 8 teams is a lot worse than the same split in a 20 team league.

At the end of the day shouldn't the bottom four teams in jdl be better in some way than all other lh teams. Having jdl in their name doesn't count.

I guess I read that wrong. My apologies to the chef. However no I don't think that just because it's JDL teams should they automatically be considered better than LH. Is it possible yes but not even close to likely.

Alright Kc....work with me here that was a smart a$$ rhetorical answer I gave. I agree with you and am trying to work with you here. Jdl has some good teams because of coaching and recruiting, but they all should be considerably better than every lh team simply because that was the bs recruiting pitch thrown out.  Overall I think it was a sleazy money grab by the bigs. Doesn't impact me either way.

Saying something "should be considered" is a dead giveaway it isn't true

You'd have to keep score if you want factual data. That would take away the aura of jdl. So just consider jdl better and all is good.

Well speaking of something that doesn't make sense..... I was curious how bad DTS beat Revolution this week but the game disappeared. Anybody know why?

I heard revolution got picked to be in jdl...so all scores are being washed out.

JDL expanding next year.  
10 teams in gold , 10 teams in silver in u11 and u12 divisions plus junior JDL for u10 and u9s. Problem solved. My coach always told be prepared for change.

soccerjack wrote:

ForReal wrote:Who is saying every JDL team is better than every LH team?  

The top teams are always going to recruit well. JDL doesn't change that unless you really buy into those pitches. Heck, several parents were and remain very skeptical of JDL.

I will not debate the motives of forming JDL.  It's probably a mixed bag depending on which of the powers that be is questioned and gives an honest answer. But, regardless, it has had one of the intended impacts of putting a very large majority of the best teams in one smaller league.

You're correct they have 4 of the better teams. mission accomplished.  Should probably charge more for this accomplishment. Oops.

KC, you "heard" 5 of the 8 are weak? From who? Separate parents on each of those teams admitted that to you? Or you read that on the board here? Other than some of the DTS games, JDL games have been very competitive. Outside of JDL I don't think this group of teams has many common opponents for you to have been told almost all of them are weak. Regardless, the data posted above is pretty compelling don't you think? I will agree that not every JDL team would supplant the #1-5 in LH but I would hardly say they would struggle. Tourney season is just around the corner so I'm sure we'all find out more soon enough.

ColtMcVince wrote:KC, you "heard" 5 of the 8 are weak?  From who?  Separate parents on each of those teams admitted that to you?  Or you read that on the board here?  Other than some of the DTS games, JDL games have been very competitive.  Outside of JDL I don't think this group of teams has many common opponents for you to have been told almost all of them are weak.  Regardless, the data posted above is pretty compelling don't you think?   I will agree that not every JDL team would supplant the #1-5 in LH but I would hardly say they would struggle.   Tourney season is just around the corner so I'm sure we'all find out more soon enough.  

Yes I have heard 5 of the teams are weak. Everybody seems to have their own opinion. To each is own I guess. I do not agree in most regards, in some I do. Some have a few very off delusions of what will happen over the next few years. i will say this. Some of those JDL parents seem to have been drinking a little too much of that Kool Aid. You guys have a wonderful tournament up north.

What's so great about this discussion is our kick ball and physical play doesn't work nationally as players get older. removing the pressure to win at all cost reducing coaches pressured to changing their style of play and sitting players because they lack speed and size is what this board has been screaming about for years. Hey I'm sorry your group has been left out, you have LHGCL enjoy it.

Zizou wrote:What's so great about this discussion is our kick ball and physical play doesn't work nationally as players get older. removing the pressure to win at all cost reducing coaches pressured to changing their style of play and sitting players because they lack speed and size is what this board has been screaming about for years. Hey I'm sorry your group has been left out, you have LHGCL enjoy it.

Oh I don't care if we are not in JDL. Like I said it will not be the league that changes things.

Your right, but this is not the league or lhgcl it's the clubs creating meaningful games that are not driven by win win win. Playing multiple players , moving them all over the field, mixing players, and allowing them to play the game. All the hate between the clubs bug and small has just created a playing field that resembles a battle field with all the carnage left behind.

Zizou wrote:Your right, but this is not the league or lhgcl it's the clubs creating meaningful games that are not driven by win win win. Playing multiple players , moving them all over the field, mixing players, and allowing them to play the game.

Are you speaking from what you have actually witnessed, or just spouting the company line?

I don't work for the company. I can only go on past experience at the national level. What works in LHGCL will not work as the girls get older. Their has to be a way to encourage coaches to train and allow the girls to play the game the right way. Without outside pressures. One example would be playing a Colorado rush team. You ever get a chance you will understand. Their entire club plays and trained one way and for that you see a lot of their players at the national level.

Maybe these OK and TXS teams are a "waste of time" to KC, but TXN had a pretty good showing in Tulsa:

http://events.gotsport.com/events/results.aspx?EventID=53844&Gender=Girls&Age=12