DA, ECNL, LH Solution

db10 wrote:Less DA, More DA, Less ECNL, More ECNL...yada yada yada. They're all just pathways.

IIRC Carli Lloyd played neither, nor did Hope Solo (out of the hot bed of soccer that is Richland, WA), nor did Abby Wambach to name a few.

Gunners wrote:I never said that. You said there might come a time when they choose to attend DA and forgo ECNL. That won't happen. The talent pool in ECNL will remain equal to DA if not superior.

What you have to understand is that 95% or more of the DA kids will be on a very similar level to the ECNL kids, therefore college coaches will still recruit from there. Just how they have continued to recruit from non-ECNL areas these past few years.

BigErn wrote:

Gunners wrote:I never said that. You said there might come a time when they choose to attend DA and forgo ECNL. That won't happen. The talent pool in ECNL will remain equal to DA if not superior.

What you have to understand is that 95% or more of the DA kids will be on a very similar level to the ECNL kids, therefore college coaches will still recruit from there. Just how they have continued to recruit from non-ECNL areas these past few years.

Sooo ... What is it that you think you never said?  You literally wrote, "This will never happen", followed by the obligatory 8th grade eye roll emoji.

And yes ... It is my contention that those coaches will indeed choose to attend the DA events in lieu of the ECNL events.  

What it seems you need to understand, is the very simple logic that those "95% or more" kids you're referring to now literally make up those DA teams.  This (I'd think very obviously) leaves the newly formed ECNL teams at FCD/Solar/(Texans is still a mystery ... hoping someone can shed some light?) in the 05/04/03 groups teams quite depleted since they're being back filled with mostly lower level players.

Zizou wrote:I do believe coaches with limited budgets will choose to spend money attending a DA showcase, but will include an ECNL showcase in their region to attend. In most all situations unless a coach has a tip on an ECNL player they need to see will primarily spend money on DA showcases.

TwistAndShout wrote:

db10 wrote:Less DA, More DA, Less ECNL, More ECNL...yada yada yada. They're all just pathways.

IIRC Carli Lloyd played neither, nor did Hope Solo (out of the hot bed of soccer that is Richland, WA), nor did Abby Wambach to name a few.

Come on man!  You know that doesn't mean squat in this day and age...  tell me it isn't so that kids could become a USWNT player without the help and dedication of DA to prop them up...  None of this makes sense now...  And here I thought letting my kid do underwater basket weaving and water polo would help get her to the USWNT.  Now DA is the only way?  Wait, or is it ECNL?  Wait, or is it being an amazing academic AND a great athlete?  Man, this is so confusing anymore.  I thought if I got my 13 year old into DA she'd be a shoe in for the WNT cause isn't that the ONLY path now that there is a DA for girls / women as well boys / men?  

Without some sarcasm, what do we have?  It really is exciting to see all these girls battling for that 1% dream of being a WNT player - there's nothing wrong with dreaming, without dreams what's the purpose anyways?  Question is, are the players the ones with the dreams or are the parents living out their dreams through their kids?  For the players, soccer is a mere pathway (as stated above) to greater things and those greater things may have nothing to do with soccer ultimately.  Good college, good scholarships, good relationships - I think anyone can get those if they're good enough academically and athletically - don't think they're reserved for just the DA athlete, but what do I know, DA is the new shiny toy, until it isn't anymore.

KeeperCommander wrote:

Zizou wrote:I do believe coaches with limited budgets will choose to spend money attending a DA showcase, but will include an ECNL showcase in their region to attend. In most all situations unless a coach has a tip on an ECNL player they need to see will primarily spend money on DA showcases.

Ha! Do you really think someone with a limited budget is going to get a DA player!

db10 wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

Zizou wrote:I do believe coaches with limited budgets will choose to spend money attending a DA showcase, but will include an ECNL showcase in their region to attend. In most all situations unless a coach has a tip on an ECNL player they need to see will primarily spend money on DA showcases.

Ha! Do you really think someone with a limited budget is going to get a DA player!

Even a D3 college coach has enough budget to travel to enough of the big events.

What seems to be missed here is that a coach will recruit his or her backyard first as in any sport. These are the kids running around in High School with that college's logo on already. Only a few programs are national brands, the rest are more regional. I can't see the South Carolina coach skipping a local ECNL or NPL event to try and convince some DA player in Seattle (who's wearing a UW sweatshirt) to be a Gamecock.

College football in the south is so good because high school football players in the south are so good. No program is investing money in some kid from Maine unless they are a total freak.

KeeperCommander wrote:

Zizou wrote:I do believe coaches with limited budgets will choose to spend money attending a DA showcase, but will include an ECNL showcase in their region to attend. In most all situations unless a coach has a tip on an ECNL player they need to see will primarily spend money on DA showcases.

Ha! Do you really think someone with a limited budget is going to get a DA player!

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:At this point DA is new and it has an aura about it.  What happens if an ECNL team beats a DA team? Bedlam will ensue.
Oddly enough many USWNT players said they were best helped by playing other sports during these years.  Also oddly enough, no one has listened to them.  Guess the ones that didn't have enough talent to play think they know better than the ones that did.

USWNT players weren't backed into a corner like it is now.. Its basically how athletic you are, how much time and serious dedication you put into your craft. Typically the ones who put in work, reap the rewards. Just saying..

HomeStretch wrote:You guys have the #s off. That 1%  we're talking about is the percent of players getting athletic money to play soccer in college. The NT roster or even pool percentage is WELL below that...too small to measure or worry about.

Gunners wrote:I never said they would choose ECNL instead of DA. I said they will attend them both.

Reading comprehension is your friend, embrace it.

Zizou wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:

Zizou wrote:I do believe coaches with limited budgets will choose to spend money attending a DA showcase, but will include an ECNL showcase in their region to attend. In most all situations unless a coach has a tip on an ECNL player they need to see will primarily spend money on DA showcases.

Ha! Do you really think someone with a limited budget is going to get a DA player!

Travel funds

BigErn wrote:

Gunners wrote:I never said they would choose ECNL instead of DA. I said they will attend them both.

Reading comprehension is your friend, embrace it.

Couldn't have teed up the ole 'Pot ... Kettle' any better Sir.

And it'd be super if you could explain how you're coming up with the following thoughts (italicized below) when those ECNL/JDL rosters + the majority of other top talent now make up the DA rosters at 05/04/03 ...

"What you have to understand is that 95% or more of the DA kids will be on a very similar level to the ECNL kids, therefore college coaches will still recruit from there."

"The talent pool in ECNL will remain equal to DA if not superior."

AngelinaGoalee wrote:DA....Facebook
ECNL....Twitter
JDL....IG
LH....snapchat
Rec....Vine

5050Ball wrote:How long did the Civil War last?

db10 wrote:Big Ern...So you're saying college coaches are going to start ignoring ECNL and concentrate only on DA? Funny. Guess that should save parents time and money by not bothering to attend any NPL event such as the Jefferson Cup or the NPL showcases either...seems like a bit of an overstatement huh? So in your mind SEC colleges won't worry about girls from Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, S. Carolina, Kentucky, Arkansas, or Louisiana due to the lack of DA. That should be interesting...Bama, Auburn, S. Alabama, and Stamford not having players from their home state on the roster. Instead the coaches will busy themselves watching 3 teams from Atlanta play teams from Florida and then try to convince enough girls to travel 100's of miles to play for them. Geez I feel for the Memphis program.

http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/college-impact-new/college-impact-2016/

Sorry, I call Shenanigans. College coaches are paid to find the best players out there to join their teams. None of them are going to put all their eggs in one basket.

BigErn wrote:

db10 wrote:Big Ern...So you're saying college coaches are going to start ignoring ECNL and concentrate only on DA? Funny. Guess that should save parents time and money by not bothering to attend any NPL event such as the Jefferson Cup or the NPL showcases either...seems like a bit of an overstatement huh? So in your mind SEC colleges won't worry about girls from Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, S. Carolina, Kentucky, Arkansas, or Louisiana due to the lack of DA. That should be interesting...Bama, Auburn, S. Alabama, and Stamford not having players from their home state on the roster. Instead the coaches will busy themselves watching 3 teams from Atlanta play teams from Florida and then try to convince enough girls to travel 100's of miles to play for them. Geez I feel for the Memphis program.

http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/college-impact-new/college-impact-2016/

Sorry, I call Shenanigans. College coaches are paid to find the best players out there to join their teams. None of them are going to put all their eggs in one basket.

Shenanigans huh?  One of my all time faves but not really relevant here db considering I'm not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes ... simply stating an opinion.  

And yes ... not sure how funny it is, but I absolutely believe that going forward the high end D1 college programs will be choosing to spend their limited time and travel budgets at the DA Showcase events plus the few of the non DA sanctioned events that they approve.  As has been mentioned many times in many threads over the past few months, there are plenty of scholarships to be had at the lower level D1, D2 and under programs as well.  This is where I/we believe the ECNL and NPL events will be attended by more of those folks.

db10 wrote:Less DA, More DA, Less ECNL, More ECNL...yada yada yada. They're all just pathways.

IIRC Carli Lloyd played neither, nor did Hope Solo (out of the hot bed of soccer that is Richland, WA), nor did Abby Wambach to name a few.

BigErn wrote:

Gunners wrote:I never said they would choose ECNL instead of DA. I said they will attend them both.

Reading comprehension is your friend, embrace it.

Couldn't have teed up the ole 'Pot ... Kettle' any better Sir.

And it'd be super if you could explain how you're coming up with the following thoughts (italicized below) when those ECNL/JDL rosters + the majority of other top talent now make up the DA rosters at 05/04/03 ...

"What you have to understand is that 95% or more of the DA kids will be on a very similar level to the ECNL kids, therefore college coaches will still recruit from there."

"The talent pool in ECNL will remain equal to DA if not superior."

KeeperCommander wrote:

BigErn wrote:

Gunners wrote:I never said they would choose ECNL instead of DA. I said they will attend them both.

Reading comprehension is your friend, embrace it.

Couldn't have teed up the ole 'Pot ... Kettle' any better Sir.

And it'd be super if you could explain how you're coming up with the following thoughts (italicized below) when those ECNL/JDL rosters + the majority of other top talent now make up the DA rosters at 05/04/03 ...

"What you have to understand is that 95% or more of the DA kids will be on a very similar level to the ECNL kids, therefore college coaches will still recruit from there."

"The talent pool in ECNL will remain equal to DA if not superior."

You are actually assuming all the talent lies just with the big 3.

BigErn wrote:

db10 wrote:Big Ern...So you're saying college coaches are going to start ignoring ECNL and concentrate only on DA? Funny. Guess that should save parents time and money by not bothering to attend any NPL event such as the Jefferson Cup or the NPL showcases either...seems like a bit of an overstatement huh? So in your mind SEC colleges won't worry about girls from Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, S. Carolina, Kentucky, Arkansas, or Louisiana due to the lack of DA. That should be interesting...Bama, Auburn, S. Alabama, and Stamford not having players from their home state on the roster. Instead the coaches will busy themselves watching 3 teams from Atlanta play teams from Florida and then try to convince enough girls to travel 100's of miles to play for them. Geez I feel for the Memphis program.

http://www.eliteclubsnationalleague.com/college-impact-new/college-impact-2016/

Sorry, I call Shenanigans. College coaches are paid to find the best players out there to join their teams. None of them are going to put all their eggs in one basket.

Shenanigans huh?  One of my all time faves but not really relevant here db considering I'm not trying to pull the wool over anyone's eyes ... simply stating an opinion.  

And yes ... not sure how funny it is, but I absolutely believe that going forward the high end D1 college programs will be choosing to spend their limited time and travel budgets at the DA Showcase events plus the few of the non DA sanctioned events that they approve.  As has been mentioned many times in many threads over the past few months, there are plenty of scholarships to be had at the lower level D1, D2 and under programs as well.  This is where I/we believe the ECNL and NPL events will be attended by more of those folks.