Re: Question for the seasoned parents

by CrashDavis 11/09/17, 03:18 pm

SickofSilliness wrote:The question was simple - it was your statement that anyone had a 50-50 chance of identifying the girl. Your inability to explain how some outsider could research and identify 2 possible players from the 6 teams (even if all teams rosters are listed) is not surprising.

Again, you just make up facts to support your narrative when you can't address the argument head on. I never said "anyone had a 50-50 chance of identifying the girl." What I said was "explaining the facts in such a way as to give informed readers a 50/50 chance of positively identifying a 10 year old girl." There is a big difference between "informed readers" and "anyone," but that doesn't support your non-sequitur. And there is only 1 Solar team in LHGCL D1 that has two SRSA players that guests with it, so its not hard to figure out how the OP is talking about. So do you want to answer the question now, or blaze another rabbit trail to go down?

by Guest 11/09/17, 03:19 pm

KeeperCommander wrote:Stones and Crash did you just belittle a poster for belittling a 10 year old behind a user name? While using a username. Interesting very interesting.

by CrashDavis 11/09/17, 03:24 pm

timmyh wrote:I unfortunately see bullying out there on the field all the time. I have zero problem with someone coming on here and saying they are leaving a team, in part, due to bullying or hatefulness.

The child who is bullying wasn't called out by name. The child isn't able to be identified at all. In my opinion, the OP has nothing to apologize for. It may not have been necessary to bring up, but some seemed to be questioning the decision to leave the team, so the OP added it as a reason for why the DD is miserable. It's relevant to the situation, and they were called to expound on it.

Crash, you seem much more concerned that someone incredibly close to the situation who knows the rosters inside and out might have a 50% chance to identify a bully in your club, and much less concerned that bullying in your club is contributing to a toxic environment for some players. Your anger at the situation seems a bit oddly misplaced to me and it might be you who, in your own words, "doesn't want to address the issue but just wander down another rabbit trail."

Any you seem more than ready to accept the OP's anonymous opinion (who admittedly has an ax to grind) that this girl acted "hatefully" and is therefore, in your words, a bully. I a completely disagree with your assessment that if you think a 10 year old girl acted "hatefully," then it is completely ok to come on a public message board and call her out under the thinly veiled guise of "getting advice."

by SickofStupidity 11/09/17, 03:52 pm

CrashDavis wrote:
SickofSilliness wrote:The question was simple - it was your statement that anyone had a 50-50 chance of identifying the girl. Your inability to explain how some outsider could research and identify 2 possible players from the 6 teams (even if all teams rosters are listed) is not surprising.

Again, you just make up facts to support your narrative when you can't address the argument head on. I never said "anyone had a 50-50 chance of identifying the girl." What I said was "explaining the facts in such a way as to give informed readers a 50/50 chance of positively identifying a 10 year old girl." There is a big difference between "informed readers" and "anyone," but that doesn't support your non-sequitur. And there is only 1 Solar team in LHGCL D1 that has two SRSA players that guests with it, so its not hard to figure out how the OP is talking about. So do you want to answer the question now, or blaze another rabbit trail to go down?

let's go to the tape -

CrashDavis wrote:
SickofSilliness wrote:Crash - you've been on here before defending the Solar approach telling us how your dd was impacted and you think the bait and switch (or as you said, "the contract") was a great thing.

OK? So that is my opinion, and, instead of just disagreeing with me, you feel the need to conflate it to the level of a "scam" and state that I am a "proud defender" of "screwing over 10 year old girls." There is room for disagreement. However, where I find no room for disagreement is in giving out details that would allow people a 50/50 chance of identifying a 10 year old girl and then calling her hateful, or later modifying that moniker and admonishing her for engaging in behavior that is hateful (a distinction without a difference). Why don't you address that? Are you ok with that?

and as to the "making up facts to support your narrative", lest we forget -

CrashDavis wrote:
Oh, I expect that if OP's DD was playing the whole game it wouldn't really matter who was or wasn't "hateful." In fact, I suspect her whole premise of "getting advice" from an anonymous board on just what to do about her terrible situation is just an excuse to call a 10 year old girl hateful because she made a face at her little angel.

by KeeperCommander 11/09/17, 04:02 pm

CrashDavis wrote:
SickofSilliness wrote:The question was simple - it was your statement that anyone had a 50-50 chance of identifying the girl. Your inability to explain how some outsider could research and identify 2 possible players from the 6 teams (even if all teams rosters are listed) is not surprising.

Again, you just make up facts to support your narrative when you can't address the argument head on. I never said "anyone had a 50-50 chance of identifying the girl." What I said was "explaining the facts in such a way as to give informed readers a 50/50 chance of positively identifying a 10 year old girl." There is a big difference between "informed readers" and "anyone," but that doesn't support your non-sequitur. And there is only 1 Solar team in LHGCL D1 that has two SRSA players that guests with it, so its not hard to figure out how the OP is talking about. So do you want to answer the question now, or blaze another rabbit trail to go down?

I would prefer another rabbit trail or hole rather. Lets do that, but first no guests are allowed in LH. It's called a CPP just so no one gets confused when reading your posts.
Now please continue, you were explaining how this parent didn't have the best interest for her child or something.

by Goes-2-11 11/09/17, 04:16 pm

I am just an uninformed 08 parent so i am curious about a few things:

1) Do these SRSA players practice weekly with the LH team?
2) Did these SRSA players attend a majority of the open practices / tryouts with the LH team prior to signing day?
3) Do the SRSA players play every game the LH team plays with the LH team?

by Axel Foley 11/09/17, 04:38 pm

Goes-2-11 wrote:I am just an uninformed 08 parent so i am curious about a few things:

1) Do these SRSA players practice weekly with the LH team?
2) Did these SRSA players attend a majority of the open practices / tryouts with the LH team prior to signing day?
3) Do the SRSA players play every game the LH team plays with the LH team?

1: NO
2: NO
3: Only QT/LH game, not tourneys or anything else.

by SickofStupidity 11/09/17, 04:43 pm

Surely, the mere thought of these players as part of the "team" makes everyone else better!

by timmyh 11/09/17, 04:51 pm

FWIW, if these ringers are going to play with the team all year and not just parachute in occasionally to prevent relegation, I don't really have a problem with it.

It does suck for those players like the OP's DD, who clearly wasn't communicated with all that well. That said, with as many Solar teams as there are, I'd be shocked if the coach couldn't find her another team to play with, and I'd be shocked if there wasn't another girl on a lower team whose parents wouldn't be thrilled to swap places and have their DD go sit the bench on a D1 LH team.

My advice to the OP is to be upfront with the coach, and if you don't like what you hear, go to the DOC. Be honest and open. Maybe you'll be surprised at how they'll work with you.

by KeeperCommander 11/09/17, 05:16 pm

bwgophers wrote:
KeeperCommander wrote:Stones and Crash did you just belittle a poster for belittling a 10 year old behind a user name? While using a username. Interesting very interesting.

Thats yet to be proven in his posts

by JoMoe 11/09/17, 09:56 pm

I feel like there might be more to this story.

by Guest101 12/09/17, 07:04 am

soccermomntx wrote:I still can't figure out what SRSA stands for. Can someone please let us uniformed parents know what this is? T

Superstars Replacing Standard Atheletes?

by RTD05 12/09/17, 08:02 am

Guest101 wrote:
soccermomntx wrote:I still can't figure out what SRSA stands for. Can someone please let us uniformed parents know what this is? T

Superstars Replacing Standard Atheletes?

I thought it stood for "Solar's Roving Starters Association."

by Bodhisattva 12/09/17, 04:59 pm

SickofSilliness wrote:
TxFutbal wrote:a couple of things..
1. My DD's have always selected option B. My youngest has been blessed because my oldest trained me to be a proper soccer dad in that I am just the soccer taxi and I don't get a vote on where they play. My job is to just ask "where to maam". They pick the destination. Same goes for my DD that plays a sport other than soccer.
2. There is no such thing as a guest player in LHGCL. They are club player passes and they are limited to 5. After April 1st, there can only be 1. My guess is the coach is loading up now to get as many wins as possible so he/she can keep the bye.

Thanks - same philosophy here.

I only refer to guest players since to the D3 player, there is no practical difference between "Guest" and "CPP"

It is also possible that the "guests" are actually dual-rostered from the ECNL team (I see this quite often on D1 teams - or maybe D1 players rostered to and practicing with the ECNL team).

So, is it legal for a "guest" or "CPP" or whatever to play LH with one club and then play JDL/ECNL with a different club since they are not affiliated?

by TxFutbal 12/09/17, 05:09 pm

Not allowed...
http://assets.ngin.com/attachments/document/0106/7503/20160901_JDL_Rules_Rev_1.1.pdf

by 07soccerdad 12/09/17, 05:50 pm

@janed6775 - I empathize with you. I bet you are not the only one that feels this way about this specific situation on said teams. Posters like to tell parents to do this and that and that their DD should do this and that (lots of good advice by the way)..but rarely does anyone say or hold any of these coaches accountable for misleading or mismanaging parent's expectations for the sake of filling rosters. IMHO parents should in fact continue to be vocal about this..otherwise, we won't see as much change as we should in the coaching ranks (although we have seen several coaching changes in this age group alone this year that was probably due to parents being vocal about a plethora of sketchy issues). Good luck with everything...don't just settle..just remember there are always options!

by Guest 12/09/17, 06:30 pm

TxFutbal wrote:Not allowed...
http://assets.ngin.com/attachments/document/0106/7503/20160901_JDL_Rules_Rev_1.1.pdf

Point of clarification... that rule only applies to JDL. ECNL has no such rule.

by TxFutbal 13/09/17, 08:09 am

I believe it applies to ECNL as well because ECNL is governed by US Club just as JDL is. The JDL rules I provided are based on US Club rules that clearly state a player cannot be rostered to more than 1 club.

by TxFutbal 13/09/17, 08:21 am

If enough of the parents become dissatisfied with the coach for (pick a reason.. I am not going down this rabbit hole) then the coach has an issue. There are specific rules related to roster history / consistency a team must meet in order to keep the LH bye at the end of the season. The LH bye is like a Willie Wanka Golden Ticket to the coaches/club. If enough parents have had enough with the coach/club and walk, the coach/club loses the bye and would have to start all over again in QT. Having a D1 bye is FREE top talent recruiting for coaches/clubs.

Parents.. there is safety in numbers and the bye is a huge deal to hold a coach accountable. If enough of you are not satisfied, call a parent meeting ASAP. I would hate for a young soccer lady to quit soccer or a team to blow up where the girls can longer play with their friends because a coach/club/parents (yes I said parents) are so focused on a "W" that they can't see the forest thru the tree. The only reason why club player passes are being used is to secure a win and secure the bye. Period!

by The_Dude 13/09/17, 09:04 am

by Guest 13/09/17, 09:10 am

TxFutbal wrote:I believe it applies to ECNL as well because ECNL is governed by US Club just as JDL is. The JDL rules I provided are based on US Club rules that clearly state a player cannot be rostered to more than 1 club.

Incorrect. The JDL rule was put in place last year by a majority vote of the 5 clubs involved. It was basically FCD/Solar/Sting/Texans telling D'Feeters that they couldn't farm out their JDL spots to Kicks, Rush, etc., teams or players.

Those 5 clubs control JDL, so they can implement just about any rule they want by majority vote.

Those 5 clubs DO NOT control ECNL, and no such rule exists in ECNL. There have been, and are, multiple players on NTX ECNL rosters that travel to DFW from OK/STX/WTX to play ECNL, while still playing locally for their non-ECNL club in OK/STX/WTX.

There was even a well known case a couple years back where a DD was playing in LH/PL for a Sting team, while simultaneously playing ECNL with FC Dallas. Something like this doesn't happen often, but there are no rules in ECNL that prevent it.

by SickofStupidity 13/09/17, 09:13 am

TxFutbal wrote:I believe it applies to ECNL as well because ECNL is governed by US Club just as JDL is. The JDL rules I provided are based on US Club rules that clearly state a player cannot be rostered to more than 1 club.

Swing . . . and a miss!

lol!

by Guest 13/09/17, 09:14 am

Nope, doesn't apply to ECNL. Yes JDL is affiliated with US Club and yes ECNL is also US Club. The difference is JDL is just a local league. ECNL is a National League. The only reason that is important, is because once you get to the National level, there are people that know and understand exactly what the rules are. At the JDL level they either don't understand what the rules are, or they don't care....possibly both.
The JDL rule you are referring to is A DIRECT VIOLATION of USSF BYLAW 603 SECTION 2 (INTERPLAY). Look it up. By the way, it's not a US CLUB rule either and it directly violates US CLUB's written statements that specifically support interplay.

by TxFutbal 13/09/17, 09:30 am

Thank you for the clarification. The whole point of JDL is to promote development vs. CPP/guesting from other teams to either recruit and/or to get a "win" that doesn't even exist.

On the ECNL side, I stand corrected and thank you for the insight. Yes it is possible for ECNL players from 1 club to play LH for another club as long as the ECNL player has not been registered to a NTSSA team within the ECNL club they are on. A player can only be registered to 1 NTSSA club just like a player can only be registered to 1 US Club based club but it is entirely possible for a player to be registered to Club A within US Club and club B within NTSSA.

by Guest 13/09/17, 09:38 am

OLJW wrote:Nope, doesn't apply to ECNL. Yes JDL is affiliated with US Club and yes ECNL is also US Club. The difference is JDL is just a local league. ECNL is a National League. The only reason that is important, is because once you get to the National level, there are people that know and understand exactly what the rules are. At the JDL level they either don't understand what the rules are, or they don't care....possibly both.
The JDL rule you are referring to is A DIRECT VIOLATION of USSF BYLAW 603 SECTION 2 (INTERPLAY). Look it up. By the way, it's not a US CLUB rule either and it directly violates US CLUB's written statements that specifically support interplay.

Speaking of which... you get any traction on those complaints you filed with USSF and US Club??? I hear Soapboxmom has some extra time on her hands these days. Heard she's pretty good at jousting windmills...

by Guest 13/09/17, 10:46 am

Any traction? Yes. Enough traction to effect the change? No, but now you've poked the bear.

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