Closed Texan Practices

giggedy wrote:Instead, everyone runs amok with their own interpretation of what they most likely skimmed or didn't even read. Now, it seems that this club employs child molesters and is looking for ways to separate the children from their parents and do dastardly things. Some of you should be ashamed of the implications you made against this club.

Take a deep breath. No one is making any accusations against this club. People are expressing their opinons about this club's policies regarding parental attendance at practices. Based on my experience I would not allow my daughter to play for a club with this type of policy. The club was up front and included the written policy in the contract. There are lots of clubs out there, so everyone is free to choose clubs that fit their values and philosophies. To each their own.

giggedy wrote:Did anyone actually read Bustya's post from the Texan's? I'm assuming it is word for word from their contracts. Well, I don't see where it bans the parents from practices anywhere. Am I missing something? It seems to me that there is quite a bit of assuming going on? Where does it say that the parents are not welcome or can not attend practices? It basically says that there are a few times that the parents are "asked" to be present. That does not necessarily say, or even imply, that they aren't to be there at any of the other practices.

I have asked some of my Texan friends about this. None of them have ever been run from a practice or even been asked not to be there. Can't any of you knee-jerkers do a little investigation yourselves?

Instead, everyone runs amok with their own interpretation of what they most likely skimmed or didn't even read. Now, it seems that this club employs child molesters and is looking for ways to separate the children from their parents and do dastardly things. Some of you should be ashamed of the implications you made against this club.

The wording in the statement is very evasive.

The real question to understand from someone in the know is:

Are parents welcome to watch any and all of their childrens practices including ones at the Ross Stewart complex?

Lefty wrote:The wording in the statement is very evasive.

The real question to understand from someone in the know is:

Are parents welcome to watch any and all of their childrens practices including ones at the Ross Stewart complex?

Beyond evasive, IMO the contract language is ambiguous.

The answer to your question, though, is no, at least (so far) with respect to practices at Ross Stewart.

Doesn't seem to be a club-wide policy.

For our Texans North team, I never saw any document with any such wording on it, nor did I or any of our parents sign a document with any such wording on it. Not even anything suggesting or asking that parents stay away from practice

Of course, there would be absolutely no way to enforce something like this practicing at a wide open, public facility like Carpenter Park.

Lefty wrote:

giggedy wrote:Did anyone actually read Bustya's post from the Texan's? I'm assuming it is word for word from their contracts. Well, I don't see where it bans the parents from practices anywhere. Am I missing something? It seems to me that there is quite a bit of assuming going on? Where does it say that the parents are not welcome or can not attend practices? It basically says that there are a few times that the parents are "asked" to be present. That does not necessarily say, or even imply, that they aren't to be there at any of the other practices.

I have asked some of my Texan friends about this. None of them have ever been run from a practice or even been asked not to be there. Can't any of you knee-jerkers do a little investigation yourselves?

Instead, everyone runs amok with their own interpretation of what they most likely skimmed or didn't even read. Now, it seems that this club employs child molesters and is looking for ways to separate the children from their parents and do dastardly things. Some of you should be ashamed of the implications you made against this club.

The wording in the statement is very evasive.

The real question to understand from someone in the know is:

Are parents welcome to watch any and all of their childrens practices including ones at the Ross Stewart complex?

Not to mention grammatically incorrect.

bwgophers wrote:Doesn't seem to be a club-wide policy.

For our Texans North team, I never saw any document with any such wording on it, nor did I or any of our parents sign a document with any such wording on it. Not even anything suggesting or asking that parents stay away from practice

Of course, there would be absolutely no way to enforce something like this practicing at a wide open, public facility like Carpenter Park.

If I'm not mistaken, and that's entirely possible, it's a Ross Stewart policy and not a club-wide policy. If your team elects to practice at RS, no, parents are not allowed to watch. It's my understanding that clubs like Man U. have been doing this for some time now, and apparently it's working, at least in the soccer development area.

I appreciate all of the very reasoned and thoughtful arguments against such a policy, but I also understand why such a move is attractive to both coaches and players. At what point do we let go? (Ten does sound a bit young, but is it really?) Does you daughter really want you there? Do they really need you there? (Think of their reaction when you even suggest walking them to class. Now imagine asking if you could stay to watch.) Might they feel additional pressure when you are? Even if it's not our intention to provide such added pressure, and it rarely is, might our mere presence and our children's desire to please us provide another obstacle to their growth, and perhaps even happiness, on the pitch?

Someone suggested that they don't know their coach, and that's appropriate. How could you, really? (My assumption, and this is a bit dangerous, I know, is that he or she is doing what they do because they love the game and want to share their understanding of and passion for it with young players.) But you do know your child, and you're empowering them to be strong, independent self-advocates. Perhaps they're not yet there, but they are in a process of becoming, and this might help them along their way. It might help you too. Who knows?

I too struggle with my little one growing up too fast, and this seems like yet another reminder of that. But I'm so proud of the person she's becoming and her journey into and through the world of soccer is a big part of that.

Good luck to everyone!

it is now easy to piece together what is going on. the BS about letting your child develop is...BS. Since they only enforce this at Ross Stewart the real reason is to keep people off the precious fields, pure and simple

POP, POP, POP, the sound of bubble bursting.

blondefish wrote:

BastaYa! wrote:"...... While the support and excitement of the parents is appreciated, we will only on occasion ask that the parents be present for training because we try to reduce the pressure and expectancy that young players can feel when they play with the Dallas Texans so they can relax and enjoy playing in an uninhibited way.... Any training session where the attendance of the parents is requested will be announced beforehand."

No disrespect to this Club at all, but here it clearly states twice that parents are not usually present during practices.
I can appreciate the Club wanting to limit distractions. However, how can I as a parent be an educated consumer when it comes to making sure the coach & team are the right fit for my player if all I get to see are the games? Should I simply base my decisions on their win-loss record?
Unfortunately now that the courtship is over and the ink has dried on the contract, the only way you'll know what's going on at practice will be on the nike-cam descretely hidden in her shin guards.
But, different strokes for different folks.

WOW.. PEOPLE!!! All this says is that we will need to be some of them. It DOES NOT say we CANT be there. Not to mention We never signed any thing like that any way. I dont know where this came from but its not the current Dallas Texans contract at least not the one we signed.

Dadof12 wrote:

blondefish wrote:

BastaYa! wrote:"...... While the support and excitement of the parents is appreciated, we will only on occasion ask that the parents be present for training because we try to reduce the pressure and expectancy that young players can feel when they play with the Dallas Texans so they can relax and enjoy playing in an uninhibited way.... Any training session where the attendance of the parents is requested will be announced beforehand."

No disrespect to this Club at all, but here it clearly states twice that parents are not usually present during practices.
I can appreciate the Club wanting to limit distractions. However, how can I as a parent be an educated consumer when it comes to making sure the coach & team are the right fit for my player if all I get to see are the games? Should I simply base my decisions on their win-loss record?
Unfortunately now that the courtship is over and the ink has dried on the contract, the only way you'll know what's going on at practice will be on the nike-cam descretely hidden in her shin guards.
But, different strokes for different folks.

WOW.. PEOPLE!!! All this says is that we will need to be some of them. It DOES NOT say we CANT be there. Not to mention We never signed any thing like that any way. I dont know where this came from but its not the current Dallas Texans contract at least not the one we signed.

Is your DD on the top Texan team in her age group and do they practice at Ross Stewart?

If so, you seem to have laid this rumor to rest.

Dadof12 wrote:

blondefish wrote:

BastaYa! wrote:"...... While the support and excitement of the parents is appreciated, we will only on occasion ask that the parents be present for training because we try to reduce the pressure and expectancy that young players can feel when they play with the Dallas Texans so they can relax and enjoy playing in an uninhibited way.... Any training session where the attendance of the parents is requested will be announced beforehand."

No disrespect to this Club at all, but here it clearly states twice that parents are not usually present during practices.
I can appreciate the Club wanting to limit distractions. However, how can I as a parent be an educated consumer when it comes to making sure the coach & team are the right fit for my player if all I get to see are the games? Should I simply base my decisions on their win-loss record?
Unfortunately now that the courtship is over and the ink has dried on the contract, the only way you'll know what's going on at practice will be on the nike-cam descretely hidden in her shin guards.
But, different strokes for different folks.

WOW.. PEOPLE!!! All this says is that we will need to be some of them. It DOES NOT say we CANT be there. Not to mention We never signed any thing like that any way. I dont know where this came from but its not the current Dallas Texans contract at least not the one we signed.

We practice at RS, and It is the one we signed. The contract says what Bastaya said it says.

ralfdallas wrote:

Dadof12 wrote:

blondefish wrote:

BastaYa! wrote:"...... While the support and excitement of the parents is appreciated, we will only on occasion ask that the parents be present for training because we try to reduce the pressure and expectancy that young players can feel when they play with the Dallas Texans so they can relax and enjoy playing in an uninhibited way.... Any training session where the attendance of the parents is requested will be announced beforehand."

No disrespect to this Club at all, but here it clearly states twice that parents are not usually present during practices.
I can appreciate the Club wanting to limit distractions. However, how can I as a parent be an educated consumer when it comes to making sure the coach & team are the right fit for my player if all I get to see are the games? Should I simply base my decisions on their win-loss record?
Unfortunately now that the courtship is over and the ink has dried on the contract, the only way you'll know what's going on at practice will be on the nike-cam descretely hidden in her shin guards.
But, different strokes for different folks.

WOW.. PEOPLE!!! All this says is that we will need to be some of them. It DOES NOT say we CANT be there. Not to mention We never signed any thing like that any way. I dont know where this came from but its not the current Dallas Texans contract at least not the one we signed.

We practice at RS, and It is the one we signed. The contract says what Bastaya said it says.

Have you attended a practice there since 7/25?

ZenFutbol wrote:

bwgophers wrote:Doesn't seem to be a club-wide policy.

For our Texans North team, I never saw any document with any such wording on it, nor did I or any of our parents sign a document with any such wording on it. Not even anything suggesting or asking that parents stay away from practice

Of course, there would be absolutely no way to enforce something like this practicing at a wide open, public facility like Carpenter Park.

If I'm not mistaken, and that's entirely possible, it's a Ross Stewart policy and not a club-wide policy. If your team elects to practice at RS, no, parents are not allowed to watch. It's my understanding that clubs like Man U. have been doing this for some time now, and apparently it's working, at least in the soccer development area.
I appreciate all of the very reasoned and thoughtful arguments against such a policy, but I also understand why such a move is attractive to both coaches and players. At what point do we let go? (Ten does some a bit young, but is it really?) Does you daughter really want you there? Do they really need you there? (Think of their reaction when you even suggest walking them to class. Now imagine asking if you could stay to watch.) Might they feel additional pressure when you are? Even if it's not our intention to provide such added pressure, and it rarely is, might our mere presence and our children's desire to please us provide another obstacle to their growth, and perhaps even happiness, on the pitch?

Someone suggested that they don't know their coach, and that's appropriate. How could you, really? (My assumption, and this is a bit dangerous, I know, is that he or she is doing what they do because they love the game and want to share their understanding of and passion for it with young players.) But you do know your child, and you're empowering them to be strong, independent self-advocates. Perhaps they're not yet there, but they are in a process of becoming, and this might help them along their way. It might help you too. Who knows?

I too struggle with my little one growing up too fast, and this seems like yet another reminder of that. But I'm so proud of the person she's becoming and her journey into and through the world of soccer is a big part of that.

Good luck to everyone!

If the Texans were paying the players like Man U. rather than the parents paying for the players to play this would be a different discussion.

Now that I have read it several times. I don't see a problem with it. See everyone at the first practice!

#2420 wrote:Now that I have read it several times. I don't see a problem with it. See everyone at the first practice!

My thoughts exactly.....

Wow! 6 pages on this subject since yesterday.

springzephyr wrote:Wow! 6 pages on this subject since yesterday.

Time for league play to start.

#2420 wrote:Now that I have read it several times. I don't see a problem with it. See everyone at the first practice!

Cool, I'll meet you in the parking lot with the rest of the parents. (I went to my first practice yesterday.)

DOTS wrote:

springzephyr wrote:Wow! 6 pages on this subject since yesterday.

Time for league play to start.

Blitzed wrote:

#2420 wrote:Now that I have read it several times. I don't see a problem with it. See everyone at the first practice!

Cool, I'll meet you in the parking lot with the rest of the parents. (I went to my first practice yesterday.)

So it went pretty well?

Duplicate entry - danged hotel connection (it is on La Jolla beach, so I can't complain)!

If they can just do the same for all games, it would be a tremendous boon to our daughter's self confidence and growth.

Always enjoy the reactions from parents during drills and scrimmages - do people really think they 'need' you present?

I'll admit, I was pretty upset when a grade school asked me to leave - they didn't want to hear about me paying taxes for the kids to be there and there was something about my kids not attending that school...blah, blah, blah....

onlyforfun wrote:

ZenFutbol wrote:

bwgophers wrote:Doesn't seem to be a club-wide policy.

For our Texans North team, I never saw any document with any such wording on it, nor did I or any of our parents sign a document with any such wording on it. Not even anything suggesting or asking that parents stay away from practice

Of course, there would be absolutely no way to enforce something like this practicing at a wide open, public facility like Carpenter Park.

If I'm not mistaken, and that's entirely possible, it's a Ross Stewart policy and not a club-wide policy. If your team elects to practice at RS, no, parents are not allowed to watch. It's my understanding that clubs like Man U. have been doing this for some time now, and apparently it's working, at least in the soccer development area.
I appreciate all of the very reasoned and thoughtful arguments against such a policy, but I also understand why such a move is attractive to both coaches and players. At what point do we let go? (Ten does some a bit young, but is it really?) Does you daughter really want you there? Do they really need you there? (Think of their reaction when you even suggest walking them to class. Now imagine asking if you could stay to watch.) Might they feel additional pressure when you are? Even if it's not our intention to provide such added pressure, and it rarely is, might our mere presence and our children's desire to please us provide another obstacle to their growth, and perhaps even happiness, on the pitch?

Someone suggested that they don't know their coach, and that's appropriate. How could you, really? (My assumption, and this is a bit dangerous, I know, is that he or she is doing what they do because they love the game and want to share their understanding of and passion for it with young players.) But you do know your child, and you're empowering them to be strong, independent self-advocates. Perhaps they're not yet there, but they are in a process of becoming, and this might help them along their way. It might help you too. Who knows?

I too struggle with my little one growing up too fast, and this seems like yet another reminder of that. But I'm so proud of the person she's becoming and her journey into and through the world of soccer is a big part of that.

Good luck to everyone!

If the Texans were paying the players like Man U. rather than the parents paying for the players to play this would be a different discussion.

I heard that next year all payments will have to be made in Euro's, just like they do at Man U.

Dadof12 wrote:

blondefish wrote:

BastaYa! wrote:"...... While the support and excitement of the parents is appreciated, we will only on occasion ask that the parents be present for training because we try to reduce the pressure and expectancy that young players can feel when they play with the Dallas Texans so they can relax and enjoy playing in an uninhibited way.... Any training session where the attendance of the parents is requested will be announced beforehand."

No disrespect to this Club at all, but here it clearly states twice that parents are not usually present during practices.
I can appreciate the Club wanting to limit distractions. However, how can I as a parent be an educated consumer when it comes to making sure the coach & team are the right fit for my player if all I get to see are the games? Should I simply base my decisions on their win-loss record?
Unfortunately now that the courtship is over and the ink has dried on the contract, the only way you'll know what's going on at practice will be on the nike-cam descretely hidden in her shin guards.
But, different strokes for different folks.

WOW.. PEOPLE!!! All this says is that we will need to be some of them. It DOES NOT say we CANT be there. Not to mention We never signed any thing like that any way. I dont know where this came from but its not the current Dallas Texans contract at least not the one we signed.

You all sign contracts for kids soccer? THATS CRAZY

Joe West wrote:

onlyforfun wrote:

ZenFutbol wrote:

bwgophers wrote:Doesn't seem to be a club-wide policy.

For our Texans North team, I never saw any document with any such wording on it, nor did I or any of our parents sign a document with any such wording on it. Not even anything suggesting or asking that parents stay away from practice

Of course, there would be absolutely no way to enforce something like this practicing at a wide open, public facility like Carpenter Park.

If I'm not mistaken, and that's entirely possible, it's a Ross Stewart policy and not a club-wide policy. If your team elects to practice at RS, no, parents are not allowed to watch. It's my understanding that clubs like Man U. have been doing this for some time now, and apparently it's working, at least in the soccer development area.
I appreciate all of the very reasoned and thoughtful arguments against such a policy, but I also understand why such a move is attractive to both coaches and players. At what point do we let go? (Ten does some a bit young, but is it really?) Does you daughter really want you there? Do they really need you there? (Think of their reaction when you even suggest walking them to class. Now imagine asking if you could stay to watch.) Might they feel additional pressure when you are? Even if it's not our intention to provide such added pressure, and it rarely is, might our mere presence and our children's desire to please us provide another obstacle to their growth, and perhaps even happiness, on the pitch?

Someone suggested that they don't know their coach, and that's appropriate. How could you, really? (My assumption, and this is a bit dangerous, I know, is that he or she is doing what they do because they love the game and want to share their understanding of and passion for it with young players.) But you do know your child, and you're empowering them to be strong, independent self-advocates. Perhaps they're not yet there, but they are in a process of becoming, and this might help them along their way. It might help you too. Who knows?

I too struggle with my little one growing up too fast, and this seems like yet another reminder of that. But I'm so proud of the person she's becoming and her journey into and through the world of soccer is a big part of that.

Good luck to everyone!

If the Texans were paying the players like Man U. rather than the parents paying for the players to play this would be a different discussion.

I heard that next year all payments will have to be made in Euro's, just like they do at Man U.

They use the Pound, not the Euro. Nice effort, though.