04 Rankings

soccer4ever wrote:

mtorres wrote:

TBGsoccer wrote:the question now is. is LP dalglish the best 04 team or is it DTN roseles or DT Bennet?

I would think the Rankings would have be re-adjusted. DT Rosales or DT Bennett would be #1 until they face off. Too bad for rain. We were all looking forward to this game. Both DT teams are dominating. I have seen them both play. I think DT Rosales would have the edge.

Here is an adjusted 04 Rankings:

1. DT Bennett
2. DT North
3. LP Dalglish
4. Solar Kennington
5. TBG
6. Fever
7. DT South
8. Odyssey
9. Texas Spirit
10. LP Beardsley

Of course, this is all opinion until these teams are true 04 rosters and prove it on the field.

I would say that is fairly accurate. I would make just a few minor changes.
If the posts are correct and Daiglish tied Solar while playing with 4 or 5 03's that are going to be on LW's super team, I would put the order like this,
1. DT North
2. Rowdies
3. Solar Kennington
4. Daiglish
5. Texas Black Gold
6. Fever
7. Texas Spirit North
8. DT South
9. Odyssy
10. Aztecs

One tie with an 04 team doesn't mean anything! I admire SK and Dalglish for playing-up, not worrying about losing games like other coaches! It will pay off in the long term, look at SRSA, DTS, Juve, Samba etc. in the 03 age group.

TCUDad, they played with 2 03s and their 03 keeper. They didn't have their regular 04 midfielders who are great players from what I've seen. It probably hampered them more than anything. No way should they be ranked 4th.

Master Bates wrote:One tie with an 04 team doesn't mean anything! I admire SK and Dalglish for playing-up, not worrying about losing games like other coaches! It will pay off in the long term, look at SRSA, DTS, Juve, Samba etc. in the 03 age group.

"One tie with an 04 team doesn't mean anything!"

Then I guess when it was said "They played with a new midfield on Saturday", that shouldn't mean anything either?

The excuses always come when this LP Dalglish 04 team loses or ties.

We've been down this playing up road before. There are different opinions and they are all valid. We have now been able to see some actual data that can be applied.

The '04 teams that have played up either win fairly easily or lose by a good margin in the '03 bracket. I can see the point being made for playing against bigger, faster opponents will help in the long run. But, let's not take away anything from the two '04 teams that aren't playing up. Each have beat Solar and common sense says each would be a very good game against LP. I think all teams would have benefited more by having 3 tough games against each other.

As far as rankings:
1t. Solar Kenn, DT Rowdies, DTN Rosales, LP Dalglish
2t. Fever, TBG, DT South, TX Spirit
3t. all the rest

The top 4 will win, tie and lose games against each other on any given weekend. Same can be said for the next 4 teams.

I disagree, the 04s playing up will be physically better prepared and will play at a faster pace than those that play in the 04 division. Your point doesn't make sense as there are weak teams in the 04 divisions as well, short sighted coaches IMO. Dalglish have a tough last 3 games, FCD i think next Saturday, should be a good one. Good luck to SK as well.

Master Bates wrote:I disagree, the 04s playing up will be physically better prepared and will play at a faster pace than those that play in the 04 division. Your point doesn't make sense as there are weak teams in the 04 divisions as well, short sighted coaches IMO. Dalglish have a tough last 3 games, FCD i think next Saturday, should be a good one. Good luck to SK as well.

There are weak teams in every division. Playing up in the 03 D2 division doesn't make an 04 team better automatically.

All of these are rankings are opinion based, I think most on here will agree that the top 4 teams are interchangeable and can beat each other on any given day.

Don't get me wrong, I respect any decision that a coach and parents make in regards to the best way for their team to develop. Outside opinions don't matter and never should when it comes to making decisions for your team and child.

With that being said, let's take a look at some of the real world data that can be looked at in regards to competition.

Solar '04 Kennington is 3-1-1 in the '03 division with 19 GF and 8 GA. This is with the use of '03 players that supposedly fill in gaps when need be. Their '04 records states they are 2-2 with 17 GF and 9 GA. Two games lost by a goal and 1 game won by a goal. I would take this to indicate that the development and competition is better for them in the '04 division. Their '03 games have all been blowout wins and the one blowout loss. They have 3 competitive games in the '04 bracket and only 1 competitive game in the '03 bracket which was against an '04 team.

LP Dalglish is 3-1-1 in the '03 division with 17 GF and 10 GA. On paper it looks like 3 pretty easy wins and one defeat by 3 goals. The only game decided by one goal or less is agains the '04 Solar team.

I do have one question in regards to the '03 division. It looks like the only common opponent that Solar '04 and Dalglish '04 have is Sting '03. Dalghish got beat 5-2 while Solar won 4-1. Was this indeed the same Sting team that they played?

yellowcard5 wrote:Don't get me wrong, I respect any decision that a coach and parents make in regards to the best way for their team to develop. Outside opinions don't matter and never should when it comes to making decisions for your team and child.

With that being said, let's take a look at some of the real world data that can be looked at in regards to competition.

Solar '04 Kennington is 3-1-1 in the '03 division with 19 GF and 8 GA. This is with the use of '03 players that supposedly fill in gaps when need be. Their '04 records states they are 2-2 with 17 GF and 9 GA. Two games lost by a goal and 1 game won by a goal. I would take this to indicate that the development and competition is better for them in the '04 division. Their '03 games have all been blowout wins and the one blowout loss. They have 3 competitive games in the '04 bracket and only 1 competitive game in the '03 bracket which was against an '04 team.

LP Dalglish is 3-1-1 in the '03 division with 17 GF and 10 GA. On paper it looks like 3 pretty easy wins and one defeat by 3 goals. The only game decided by one goal or less is agains the '04 Solar team.

I do have one question in regards to the '03 division. It looks like the only common opponent that Solar '04 and Dalglish '04 have is Sting '03. Dalghish got beat 5-2 while Solar won 4-1. Was this indeed the same Sting team that they played?

Good points and Great question! Anyone.....???

I heard when sting played solar they were missing their top players a could only field 7.

Master Bates wrote:I heard when sting played solar they were missing their top players a could only field 7.

I heard they played with 3 girls and Air Bud helped them out in the second half. Air Bud played well but it wasn't enough in the end. Air Bud's parents were not happy with the result and are currently looking for another team. Soon to be a post in the "teams/players looking section" of this forum.

Think some solar parents talked about it in another thread.

Okay, time to put this issue to rest. LP Dalglish has to play in one or two tournaments in the 04 brackets. Lets coordinate with DT Bennett and DT North parents to ensure that everyone knows who is playing where. No excuses about playing up in 03 for competition. Even DT South 03 Adames and SRSA 03 will play in their own age bracket tournaments every now and then.

LP Dalglish has played a lot of soccer in the last few months. Their schedule of 3v3, indoor, tournaments, scrimmages and whatever else they do, is brutal. After watching the game on Saturday, I believe the girls have dead legs. This is not an excuse but a fact. I watched LP Dalgish play in two tournaments this summer and those players were explosive. The team I saw on Saturday had no explosiveness.

Finally, Even if we have to start an email campaign to LW, we need to get these teams on the same field. My prediction, and I have watched a lot of soccer since April, is that LP Dalglish and Solar Kennington will still be the top dogs. I am also predicting that DT South will be the best Texans 04 team after this fall's tournament.

The DTx teams have improved. You all know I've pick SK as number 1 many times. However I have to say DTXN looks very strong. I'd say any of the top 4 could be #1.

youthsports wrote:Okay, time to put this issue to rest. LP Dalglish has to play in one or two tournaments in the 04 brackets. Lets coordinate with DT Bennett and DT North parents to ensure that everyone knows who is playing where. No excuses about playing up in 03 for competition. Even DT South 03 Adames and SRSA 03 will play in their own age bracket tournaments every now and then.

LP Dalglish has played a lot of soccer in the last few months. Their schedule of 3v3, indoor, tournaments, scrimmages and whatever else they do, is brutal. After watching the game on Saturday, I believe the girls have dead legs. This is not an excuse but a fact. I watched LP Dalgish play in two tournaments this summer and those players were explosive. The team I saw on Saturday had no explosiveness.

Finally, Even if we have to start an email campaign to LW, we need to get these teams on the same field. My prediction, and I have watched a lot of soccer since April, is that LP Dalglish and Solar Kennington will still be the top dogs. I am also predicting that DT South will be the best Texans 04 team after this fall's tournament.

Getting these 04 teams on the same fields is the only way to put this debate to rest. Until then, it is all opinions. Would be a very interesting tournament to watch if this ever does happen!

DTN, Rowdies, LP Dalglish, and Solar...all great teams! Any of these could be #1

Daglish will not be playing any 04 tournament anytime soon. LW could care less about where his team is theoretically ranked. As far as playing up and development goes it is all about playing bigger faster opponents. It is so they can learn to play the way he wants them at a faster pace. It keeps the girls from just using competetivness and athleticism to solve the problems on the field. Regardless if they are better or not, all of the teams we have played this season have been bigger and faster than us. In most of the games we have been able to move the ball and use soccer to win. it is much easier to get a kid to move the ball when she is forced to inorder to be succesful. It is much harder when she can just physically push her was thru or just outrun them. I will be just glad that Daglish will be back to it's 04 status and able to continue it's hard work on improving now that the distractions are done with. It's been 2 ugly games in a row that not many parents have been happy with. Losing is fine but they need to play good soccer no matter what.

Master Bates wrote:I heard when sting played solar they were missing their top players a could only field 7.

When Solar Kennington played Sting Searls, they played with 8 players. I'm sure they were missing several players, but most of the players they had were studs, including one of the fastest forwards I have seen at this age, and several other explosive offensive players. I do think that team will soon be ranked in the top 5 teams for the 03's. They have some crazy good talent.
We played well enough to win that game, but honestly, I don't think they will be losing again to any of the 04 teams now that they have had time to gel as a team.

In other news seems there was a sudden season coaching change for DT South.

DT South 04 Curiel is now DT South 04 Adames.

I am sure there will be some ups and downs for this team getting used to a new coach but I look forward to seeing what they look like after a few months under Adames.

Shelby427 wrote:In other news seems there was a sudden season coaching change for DT South.

DT South 04 Curiel is now DT South 04 Adames.

I am sure there will be some ups and downs for this team getting used to a new coach but I look forward to seeing what they look like after a few months under Adames.

Where did curiel go?

Pitchdad wrote:

Shelby427 wrote:In other news seems there was a sudden season coaching change for DT South.

DT South 04 Curiel is now DT South 04 Adames.

I am sure there will be some ups and downs for this team getting used to a new coach but I look forward to seeing what they look like after a few months under Adames.

Where did curiel go?

What about the 03 Curiel team?

Crazy4Academy wrote:

Pitchdad wrote:

Shelby427 wrote:In other news seems there was a sudden season coaching change for DT South.

DT South 04 Curiel is now DT South 04 Adames.

I am sure there will be some ups and downs for this team getting used to a new coach but I look forward to seeing what they look like after a few months under Adames.

Where did curiel go?

What about the 03 Curiel team?

That's a good question... I will try to find out.

Also, not sure where he went.

Heard he went to Daglish

go99 wrote:Daglish will not be playing any 04 tournament anytime soon. LW could care less about where his team is theoretically ranked. As far as playing up and development goes it is all about playing bigger faster opponents. It is so they can learn to play the way he wants them at a faster pace. It keeps the girls from just using competetivness and athleticism to solve the problems on the field. Regardless if they are better or not, all of the teams we have played this season have been bigger and faster than us. In most of the games we have been able to move the ball and use soccer to win. it is much easier to get a kid to move the ball when she is forced to inorder to be succesful. It is much harder when she can just physically push her was thru or just outrun them. I will be just glad that Daglish will be back to it's 04 status and able to continue it's hard work on improving now that the distractions are done with. It's been 2 ugly games in a row that not many parents have been happy with. Losing is fine but they need to play good soccer no matter what.

LW serves the parents of his players. The parents pay the monthly dues and drive to Frisco for practice. LW has good intentions and does not care about rankings but he can still allow his players to participate against their own age group. I don't know of any coach who, if approached by a majority of his player's parents, would go against the wishes of his team. If the LP Dalglish parents really wanted to play in an 04 tournament, all they have to do is ask the coach.

I am a big LP Dalgish fan but I am starting to wonder, Why does LP Dalglish continue to dodge 04 teams in tournaments? Would losing to a top 04 team break the LP Dalglish mystique? Personally, I think LP Dalglish can beat all of the 04 teams, but I would like to see them at least compete.

I will give Solar Kennington credit, you name the place and venue and they will show up ready to compete with no excuses.

Shelby427, bhamilton, any thoughts?

With all due respect, it isn't about being willing or not to play other '04 teams.

When you think about it, LW is brilliant with this approach. He gets to field an extra '04 team or six since they play up. I totally think LW is a product of this group of parents.

It's very odd that a group totally about development and skill has every finish of every tournament they have ever played listed on their website. This isn't counting the 3rd place finish in a spring SDL league that doesn't even keep standings that they have listed.

While they are a very good team and no doubt can beat anybody the other top 4 '04 teams on any weekend, the constant excuses and illogical comments when they don't get an expected result becomes very tiring.

In my opinion there is only one Dalglish parent that posts on here (go99), that can take his blinders off long enough to make some intelligent comments. Even with that, the argument of playing bigger, faster girls for development doesn't hold any water when you are winning or losing by 4 goals. Solar, DTN and DTB are every bit as big and fast as any of the second division '03 teams they play. Development occurs when you are tied with 10 minutes left and you have to play good soccer to get the win. It doesn't occur when you are up or down 4 goals, no matter how big and fast the opponent may be.

What stood out to me tonight more than anything is the comment go99 made earlier.

For a team so dedicated to developing and learning how to play the game the "right" (whatever that might be), why would their be unhappy parents on the Dalglish team the last couple of weeks? Could it be that the result wasn't what they anticipated?

This site could be a way to share knowledge and opinions, but as long as parents are so blind to reality (moosh and Shelby), we will all have to filter through the BS to get the real story.

I think we all agree that while fun for us, rankings for 7 year olds are silly at best. Because a team ties or wins or loses this weekend really has no bearing on how they will play the next.

Ramble over...apologies offered in advance.

yellowcard5 wrote:With all due respect, it isn't about being willing or not to play other '04 teams.

When you think about it, LW is brilliant with this approach. He gets to field an extra '04 team or six since they play up. I totally think LW is a product of this group of parents.

It's very odd that a group totally about development and skill has every finish of every tournament they have ever played listed on their website. This isn't counting the 3rd place finish in a spring SDL league that doesn't even keep standings that they have listed.

While they are a very good team and no doubt can beat anybody the other top 4 '04 teams on any weekend, the constant excuses and illogical comments when they don't get an expected result becomes very tiring.

In my opinion there is only one Dalglish parent that posts on here (go99), that can take his blinders off long enough to make some intelligent comments. Even with that, the argument of playing bigger, faster girls for development doesn't hold any water when you are winning or losing by 4 goals. Solar, DTN and DTB are every bit as big and fast as any of the second division '03 teams they play. Development occurs when you are tied with 10 minutes left and you have to play good soccer to get the win. It doesn't occur when you are up or down 4 goals, no matter how big and fast the opponent may be.

What stood out to me tonight more than anything is the comment go99 made earlier.

For a team so dedicated to developing and learning how to play the game the "right" (whatever that might be), why would their be unhappy parents on the Dalglish team the last couple of weeks? Could it be that the result wasn't what they anticipated?

This site could be a way to share knowledge and opinions, but as long as parents are so blind to reality (moosh and Shelby), we will all have to filter through the BS to get the real story.

I think we all agree that while fun for us, rankings for 7 year olds are silly at best. Because a team ties or wins or loses this weekend really has no bearing on how they will play the next.

Ramble over...apologies offered in advance.

Amen!

Blind to reality? Me???

Due tell.