04 Rankings

Blind to reality? Me???

Due tell.

yellowcard5 wrote:With all due respect, it isn't about being willing or not to play other '04 teams.

When you think about it, LW is brilliant with this approach. He gets to field an extra '04 team or six since they play up. I totally think LW is a product of this group of parents.

It's very odd that a group totally about development and skill has every finish of every tournament they have ever played listed on their website. This isn't counting the 3rd place finish in a spring SDL league that doesn't even keep standings that they have listed.

While they are a very good team and no doubt can beat anybody the other top 4 '04 teams on any weekend, the constant excuses and illogical comments when they don't get an expected result becomes very tiring.

In my opinion there is only one Dalglish parent that posts on here (go99), that can take his blinders off long enough to make some intelligent comments. Even with that, the argument of playing bigger, faster girls for development doesn't hold any water when you are winning or losing by 4 goals. Solar, DTN and DTB are every bit as big and fast as any of the second division '03 teams they play. Development occurs when you are tied with 10 minutes left and you have to play good soccer to get the win. It doesn't occur when you are up or down 4 goals, no matter how big and fast the opponent may be.

What stood out to me tonight more than anything is the comment go99 made earlier.

For a team so dedicated to developing and learning how to play the game the "right" (whatever that might be), why would their be unhappy parents on the Dalglish team the last couple of weeks? Could it be that the result wasn't what they anticipated?

This site could be a way to share knowledge and opinions, but as long as parents are so blind to reality (moosh and Shelby), we will all have to filter through the BS to get the real story.

I think we all agree that while fun for us, rankings for 7 year olds are silly at best. Because a team ties or wins or loses this weekend really has no bearing on how they will play the next.

Ramble over...apologies offered in advance.

Well, it goes back to, you are judging the development by the score. As go99 was saying, its not the score, its how the soccer is played. SDL does not even keep scores. It is a league for development. If LW feels the girls and team will develope better against 03s, then thats where they need to be. Again, nice to win, sucks to lose. But either way, if you are developing and learning, thats what counts. There are some games won that good soccer was not played. There are some games lost that great soccer was played. Guess it all depends on what is important to you. The score or the game

Think the parents (and I'm sure LW) are unhappy at the way their girls played over the last few weeks! It has translated into the scores in the last couple of games. They play possession soccer with two midfielders playing wide, something they didn't really do well in the last game, get the ball out wide and cross it into the box.

One point, if Dalglish are just the same as the rest, why have a lot of what is seen as the "top" players moved over to them? All of these parents can't be dumb enough to just want their kids to be on the top team! Surely it has something to do with the coaching?

youthsports wrote:

go99 wrote:Daglish will not be playing any 04 tournament anytime soon. LW could care less about where his team is theoretically ranked. As far as playing up and development goes it is all about playing bigger faster opponents. It is so they can learn to play the way he wants them at a faster pace. It keeps the girls from just using competetivness and athleticism to solve the problems on the field. Regardless if they are better or not, all of the teams we have played this season have been bigger and faster than us. In most of the games we have been able to move the ball and use soccer to win. it is much easier to get a kid to move the ball when she is forced to inorder to be succesful. It is much harder when she can just physically push her was thru or just outrun them. I will be just glad that Daglish will be back to it's 04 status and able to continue it's hard work on improving now that the distractions are done with. It's been 2 ugly games in a row that not many parents have been happy with. Losing is fine but they need to play good soccer no matter what.

LW serves the parents of his players. The parents pay the monthly dues and drive to Frisco for practice. LW has good intentions and does not care about rankings but he can still allow his players to participate against their own age group. I don't know of any coach who, if approached by a majority of his player's parents, would go against the wishes of his team. If the LP Dalglish parents really wanted to play in an 04 tournament, all they have to do is ask the coach.

I am a big LP Dalgish fan but I am starting to wonder, Why does LP Dalglish continue to dodge 04 teams in tournaments? Would losing to a top 04 team break the LP Dalglish mystique? Personally, I think LP Dalglish can beat all of the 04 teams, but I would like to see them at least compete.

I will give Solar Kennington credit, you name the place and venue and they will show up ready to compete with no excuses.

Shelby427, bhamilton, any thoughts?

I believe somebody posted the entire summer schedule for daglish. If the other teams wanted to play us they knew exactly where we were. Besides if playing up in the 03's is so easy it would have been all 04 teams in the finals. Maybe if a majority of the parents on those teams pressed their coach to play them up so they could play Daglish there would have been games. So maybe we are all ducking each othere? Kennington played us in a tournament. So wouldn't exactly call that ducking. I doubt a majority of the parents are going to pressure the coach into anything. You haven't met the Daglish parents, a majority of the parents could care less what the ranking is or isn't.

yellowcard5 wrote:With all due respect, it isn't about being willing or not to play other '04 teams.

When you think about it, LW is brilliant with this approach. He gets to field an extra '04 team or six since they play up. I totally think LW is a product of this group of parents.

It's very odd that a group totally about development and skill has every finish of every tournament they have ever played listed on their website. This isn't counting the 3rd place finish in a spring SDL league that doesn't even keep standings that they have listed.

While they are a very good team and no doubt can beat anybody the other top 4 '04 teams on any weekend, the constant excuses and illogical comments when they don't get an expected result becomes very tiring.

In my opinion there is only one Dalglish parent that posts on here (go99), that can take his blinders off long enough to make some intelligent comments. Even with that, the argument of playing bigger, faster girls for development doesn't hold any water when you are winning or losing by 4 goals. Solar, DTN and DTB are every bit as big and fast as any of the second division '03 teams they play. Development occurs when you are tied with 10 minutes left and you have to play good soccer to get the win. It doesn't occur when you are up or down 4 goals, no matter how big and fast the opponent may be.

What stood out to me tonight more than anything is the comment go99 made earlier.

For a team so dedicated to developing and learning how to play the game the "right" (whatever that might be), why would their be unhappy parents on the Dalglish team the last couple of weeks? Could it be that the result wasn't what they anticipated?

This site could be a way to share knowledge and opinions, but as long as parents are so blind to reality (moosh and Shelby), we will all have to filter through the BS to get the real story.

I think we all agree that while fun for us, rankings for 7 year olds are silly at best. Because a team ties or wins or loses this weekend really has no bearing on how they will play the next.

Ramble over...apologies offered in advance.

The parents were unhappy the last couple of weekends because the 03 players were there. They completely change how we play and also puts too many kids on the bench. Talking with the parents, nobody was happy to have them there but it is supposed to be over now and back to normal. Oh and the teams you mentioned are not as big or fast as the second tier teams. That is a product of age not skill. Daglish is a fairly big and fast team and we have been smaller by a good margin than every team we played. We have some tough games coming up and that was the preference. And to answer the website claim, LW does not run the website and the clubs aim is not exactly the same as the coach. He has players to develope and the club is trying to build and make it into the ENCL.

go99 wrote:

yellowcard5 wrote:With all due respect, it isn't about being willing or not to play other '04 teams.

When you think about it, LW is brilliant with this approach. He gets to field an extra '04 team or six since they play up. I totally think LW is a product of this group of parents.

It's very odd that a group totally about development and skill has every finish of every tournament they have ever played listed on their website. This isn't counting the 3rd place finish in a spring SDL league that doesn't even keep standings that they have listed.

While they are a very good team and no doubt can beat anybody the other top 4 '04 teams on any weekend, the constant excuses and illogical comments when they don't get an expected result becomes very tiring.

In my opinion there is only one Dalglish parent that posts on here (go99), that can take his blinders off long enough to make some intelligent comments. Even with that, the argument of playing bigger, faster girls for development doesn't hold any water when you are winning or losing by 4 goals. Solar, DTN and DTB are every bit as big and fast as any of the second division '03 teams they play. Development occurs when you are tied with 10 minutes left and you have to play good soccer to get the win. It doesn't occur when you are up or down 4 goals, no matter how big and fast the opponent may be.

What stood out to me tonight more than anything is the comment go99 made earlier.

For a team so dedicated to developing and learning how to play the game the "right" (whatever that might be), why would their be unhappy parents on the Dalglish team the last couple of weeks? Could it be that the result wasn't what they anticipated?

This site could be a way to share knowledge and opinions, but as long as parents are so blind to reality (moosh and Shelby), we will all have to filter through the BS to get the real story.

I think we all agree that while fun for us, rankings for 7 year olds are silly at best. Because a team ties or wins or loses this weekend really has no bearing on how they will play the next.

Ramble over...apologies offered in advance.

The parents were unhappy the last couple of weekends because the 03 players were there. They completely change how we play and also puts too many kids on the bench. Talking with the parents, nobody was happy to have them there but it is supposed to be over now and back to normal. Oh and the teams you mentioned are not as big or fast as the second tier teams. That is a product of age not skill. Daglish is a fairly big and fast team and we have been smaller by a good margin than every team we played. We have some tough games coming up and that was the preference. And to answer the website claim, LW does not run the website and the clubs aim is not exactly the same as the coach. He has players to develope and the club is trying to build and make it into the ENCL.

ECNL looks at academy age accomplishments to offer membership? Damn, so how did Sting and Texans pull it off without even having team web pages for their academy age teams.

Pitchdad wrote:

go99 wrote:

yellowcard5 wrote:With all due respect, it isn't about being willing or not to play other '04 teams.

When you think about it, LW is brilliant with this approach. He gets to field an extra '04 team or six since they play up. I totally think LW is a product of this group of parents.

It's very odd that a group totally about development and skill has every finish of every tournament they have ever played listed on their website. This isn't counting the 3rd place finish in a spring SDL league that doesn't even keep standings that they have listed.

While they are a very good team and no doubt can beat anybody the other top 4 '04 teams on any weekend, the constant excuses and illogical comments when they don't get an expected result becomes very tiring.

In my opinion there is only one Dalglish parent that posts on here (go99), that can take his blinders off long enough to make some intelligent comments. Even with that, the argument of playing bigger, faster girls for development doesn't hold any water when you are winning or losing by 4 goals. Solar, DTN and DTB are every bit as big and fast as any of the second division '03 teams they play. Development occurs when you are tied with 10 minutes left and you have to play good soccer to get the win. It doesn't occur when you are up or down 4 goals, no matter how big and fast the opponent may be.

What stood out to me tonight more than anything is the comment go99 made earlier.

For a team so dedicated to developing and learning how to play the game the "right" (whatever that might be), why would their be unhappy parents on the Dalglish team the last couple of weeks? Could it be that the result wasn't what they anticipated?

This site could be a way to share knowledge and opinions, but as long as parents are so blind to reality (moosh and Shelby), we will all have to filter through the BS to get the real story.

I think we all agree that while fun for us, rankings for 7 year olds are silly at best. Because a team ties or wins or loses this weekend really has no bearing on how they will play the next.

Ramble over...apologies offered in advance.

The parents were unhappy the last couple of weekends because the 03 players were there. They completely change how we play and also puts too many kids on the bench. Talking with the parents, nobody was happy to have them there but it is supposed to be over now and back to normal. Oh and the teams you mentioned are not as big or fast as the second tier teams. That is a product of age not skill. Daglish is a fairly big and fast team and we have been smaller by a good margin than every team we played. We have some tough games coming up and that was the preference. And to answer the website claim, LW does not run the website and the clubs aim is not exactly the same as the coach. He has players to develope and the club is trying to build and make it into the ENCL.

ECNL looks at academy age accomplishments to offer membership? Damn, so how did Sting and Texans pull it off without even having team web pages for their academy age teams.

That's not even a good question.

Obviously Sting and Texans have a long history of success.

Liverpool is relatively new and nationally unknown. They have a lot of work to do to get invited to the ECNL table especially for a young club. It makes since to use Dalglish as the entry point as long as they can keep that team together and developing at pace. Also, telling parents they will try to be ECNL is one good way to keep top players even though there is no guarantee.

At some point years from now, if these players are good enough for the ECNL level, they will begin to look at other clubs for that opportunity if LP doesn't get there first.

I am a little scatterbrained, havent had coffee yet but I will add a final point. I would be shocked if there was parent pressure on LW. There is a misconception about the Daglish parents. LW has done a good job of keeping the psycho, need to be a top team, must win, parents away. He has said to me " If you take a kid like that in, the second you aren't winning as much they will be gone so whats the point" He is always trying to keep a long tearm approach and always on the parents about the pressure to win. The parents on this team are some of the most relaxed I have seen. The kids enjoy each other, they are learning, there are parties, sleepovers, new kids are welcomed in like friends. We win some and lose some. Some of our best played games have been in loses and so have some of our biggest learning experience. If there is a fault for LW it is he is too attatched to his girls. From my view several are being hurt by playing up and their development has stopped. A few players that went to beardsley and there own age group really blossomed as players afterwards. He really needs to move them down but that can be one of the toughest things to do as a coach. Like LW's approach or not, he does have one. Both in style of play and as a development model. What he has done at LP so far is great. With our team, camps, and the RASE. The resume list alone for that program was amazing. NCAA National championship winning coach, Former LP player, FA cup coach etc. The amount of work he puts in, and everything he has done, parents from this team will not shake him down for a tournment to feed their own ego. The board is fun but it's not really a good reflection on what's happening at our team.

Pitchdad wrote:

go99 wrote:

yellowcard5 wrote:With all due respect, it isn't about being willing or not to play other '04 teams.

When you think about it, LW is brilliant with this approach. He gets to field an extra '04 team or six since they play up. I totally think LW is a product of this group of parents.

It's very odd that a group totally about development and skill has every finish of every tournament they have ever played listed on their website. This isn't counting the 3rd place finish in a spring SDL league that doesn't even keep standings that they have listed.

While they are a very good team and no doubt can beat anybody the other top 4 '04 teams on any weekend, the constant excuses and illogical comments when they don't get an expected result becomes very tiring.

In my opinion there is only one Dalglish parent that posts on here (go99), that can take his blinders off long enough to make some intelligent comments. Even with that, the argument of playing bigger, faster girls for development doesn't hold any water when you are winning or losing by 4 goals. Solar, DTN and DTB are every bit as big and fast as any of the second division '03 teams they play. Development occurs when you are tied with 10 minutes left and you have to play good soccer to get the win. It doesn't occur when you are up or down 4 goals, no matter how big and fast the opponent may be.

What stood out to me tonight more than anything is the comment go99 made earlier.

For a team so dedicated to developing and learning how to play the game the "right" (whatever that might be), why would their be unhappy parents on the Dalglish team the last couple of weeks? Could it be that the result wasn't what they anticipated?

This site could be a way to share knowledge and opinions, but as long as parents are so blind to reality (moosh and Shelby), we will all have to filter through the BS to get the real story.

I think we all agree that while fun for us, rankings for 7 year olds are silly at best. Because a team ties or wins or loses this weekend really has no bearing on how they will play the next.

Ramble over...apologies offered in advance.

The parents were unhappy the last couple of weekends because the 03 players were there. They completely change how we play and also puts too many kids on the bench. Talking with the parents, nobody was happy to have them there but it is supposed to be over now and back to normal. Oh and the teams you mentioned are not as big or fast as the second tier teams. That is a product of age not skill. Daglish is a fairly big and fast team and we have been smaller by a good margin than every team we played. We have some tough games coming up and that was the preference. And to answer the website claim, LW does not run the website and the clubs aim is not exactly the same as the coach. He has players to develope and the club is trying to build and make it into the ENCL.

ECNL looks at academy age accomplishments to offer membership? Damn, so how did Sting and Texans pull it off without even having team web pages for their academy age teams.

ECNL looks at your developmental model. It is a developmental league after all. to take that final step LP needs to get in the ECNL and academy leagues

"Guess it all depends on what is important to you. The score or the game"

Moosh, I realize what you are trying to say here, but you don't have a GAME unless there is a SCORE. While development is the most important thing, these kids know whether or not they scored more goals than the other team. It is a absolute load of *$^&* if you really think that you don't care about the score. This is competition, just like go fish, pin the tail on the donkey, and any other game. Like it or not there is a winner and a loser.

I guess the point of my first post was that just once I would like to see a compliment given to an opponent for playing well against Dalglish. We all understand that our 7-8 year olds are going to have an off weekend, but that should not take away from the performance, desire, skill or competitiveness of your opponent.

LW is a salesman first and a coach second. That goes for any DOC at any Academy. His job is to get players into the system and the more the better. The aim of the club better be the aim of the coach or the coach won't be around very long.

The way to get a club in ECNL is not going to be any other way than results, and those results better be from more than one age group.

I don't take any issue with the LP philosophy, you pay money to the club and put your child in a position to succeed.

My issue remains that there are some on here that refuse to recognize that there are other ways to be successful and the other clubs in this area have proven that over time. Win, lose or draw, respect for your opponent and the ability to recognize other successful styles should always be at the top of the list.

I congratulate LP and the successes they have had. I also hope they continue because competition is what all of our kids need. The more teams that provide that the better our kids are going to be.

At some point years from now, if these players are good enough for the ECNL level, they will begin to look at other clubs for that opportunity if LP doesn't get there first.
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There is some question around the country that 5 ECNL teams from a population base like NTX is too many already. At what point does it cease to be elite?

go99 wrote:I am a little scatterbrained, havent had coffee yet but I will add a final point. I would be shocked if there was parent pressure on LW. There is a misconception about the Daglish parents. LW has done a good job of keeping the psycho, need to be a top team, must win, parents away. He has said to me " If you take a kid like that in, the second you aren't winning as much they will be gone so whats the point" He is always trying to keep a long tearm approach and always on the parents about the pressure to win. The parents on this team are some of the most relaxed I have seen. The kids enjoy each other, they are learning, there are parties, sleepovers, new kids are welcomed in like friends. We win some and lose some. Some of our best played games have been in loses and so have some of our biggest learning experience. If there is a fault for LW it is he is too attatched to his girls. From my view several are being hurt by playing up and their development has stopped. A few players that went to beardsley and there own age group really blossomed as players afterwards. He really needs to move them down but that can be one of the toughest things to do as a coach. Like LW's approach or not, he does have one. Both in style of play and as a development model. What he has done at LP so far is great. With our team, camps, and the RASE. The resume list alone for that program was amazing. NCAA National championship winning coach, Former LP player, FA cup coach etc. The amount of work he puts in, and everything he has done, parents from this team will not shake him down for a tournment to feed their own ego. The board is fun but it's not really a good reflection on what's happening at our team.

If I may, no loud psycho parents on Dalglish? You are joking! People who just about have their kids in tears is hardly a relaxed, no pressure atmosphere. I actually laughed at reading that he has kept those away.

For a guy who is commending the coach and team for having a long term approach, you are surely not one to be forgiving of a learning curve. You have thrown your own teammates under the bus for a loss, you take the role of recruiting for a position for a young girl who just recently joined the team because she is "leaking" goals and according to some, the reason for some very unfair losses. Doesn't sound like she has been too well welcomed. You also said you can't wait to get back to the old team yet, according to you, several of the young kids on your 04 team are being hurt and should not be on the team (of course not your dd because she is the next marta..).

If his parents were of the similar mind of what you say your coach is, then there wouldn't be as many excuses for every single loss (seeing as how they don't matter to you all anyway), there wouldn't be as much team bashing on the goalie or subs (since you are all life long friends sleeping over and eating ice cream all the time and have a long term approach on development that is paramount), and you all wouldn't be so quick to argue with the person who, in their opinion, puts your team at anything other than first (since rankings are just plain silly).

I agree 100% that ranking a 7 year old at soccer is silly and don't understand why it gets so much buzz and emotions going. But what I do think is even more silly, and heck, just flat not smart, is talking about someone else's daughter as if you have a place to, or even a place to begin to even think about what is best for her, where she needs to be, what she needs to improve on - other than your own.

Gunner9 wrote:At some point years from now, if these players are good enough for the ECNL level, they will begin to look at other clubs for that opportunity if LP doesn't get there first.

There is some question around the country that 5 ECNL teams from a population base like NTX is too many already. At what point does it cease to be elite?[/quote]

Can an ECNL team/club be relegated out of the league, that might be interesting. A "challenge" situation where a club/team is relegated. That would add to the Elite status.

That's a problem with US Sports in my view, no relegation/promotion.

noimarealdoubleD wrote:

go99 wrote:I am a little scatterbrained, havent had coffee yet but I will add a final point. I would be shocked if there was parent pressure on LW. There is a misconception about the Daglish parents. LW has done a good job of keeping the psycho, need to be a top team, must win, parents away. He has said to me " If you take a kid like that in, the second you aren't winning as much they will be gone so whats the point" He is always trying to keep a long tearm approach and always on the parents about the pressure to win. The parents on this team are some of the most relaxed I have seen. The kids enjoy each other, they are learning, there are parties, sleepovers, new kids are welcomed in like friends. We win some and lose some. Some of our best played games have been in loses and so have some of our biggest learning experience. If there is a fault for LW it is he is too attatched to his girls. From my view several are being hurt by playing up and their development has stopped. A few players that went to beardsley and there own age group really blossomed as players afterwards. He really needs to move them down but that can be one of the toughest things to do as a coach. Like LW's approach or not, he does have one. Both in style of play and as a development model. What he has done at LP so far is great. With our team, camps, and the RASE. The resume list alone for that program was amazing. NCAA National championship winning coach, Former LP player, FA cup coach etc. The amount of work he puts in, and everything he has done, parents from this team will not shake him down for a tournment to feed their own ego. The board is fun but it's not really a good reflection on what's happening at our team.

If I may, no loud psycho parents on Dalglish? You are joking! People who just about have their kids in tears is hardly a relaxed, no pressure atmosphere. I actually laughed at reading that he has kept those away.

For a guy who is commending the coach and team for having a long term approach, you are surely not one to be forgiving of a learning curve. You have thrown your own teammates under the bus for a loss, you take the role of recruiting for a position for a young girl who just recently joined the team because she is "leaking" goals and according to some, the reason for some very unfair losses. Doesn't sound like she has been too well welcomed. You also said you can't wait to get back to the old team yet, according to you, several of the young kids on your 04 team are being hurt and should not be on the team (of course not your dd because she is the next marta..).

If his parents were of the similar mind of what you say your coach is, then there wouldn't be as many excuses for every single loss (seeing as how they don't matter to you all anyway), there wouldn't be as much team bashing on the goalie or subs (since you are all life long friends sleeping over and eating ice cream all the time and have a long term approach on development that is paramount), and you all wouldn't be so quick to argue with the person who, in their opinion, puts your team at anything other than first (since rankings are just plain silly).

I agree 100% that ranking a 7 year old at soccer is silly and don't understand why it gets so much buzz and emotions going. But what I do think is even more silly, and heck, just flat not smart, is talking about someone else's daughter as if you have a place to, or even a place to begin to even think about what is best for her, where she needs to be, what she needs to improve on - other than your own.

Okay I wil play. Thanks for recognizing my DD's talents. Now no team wants a goalie to miss easy goals period. This is still a soccer team with soccer being played. As far as the subs go, there are a few who probably shouldn't be there and I think it's currently hurting them. Stepping back to their own age group and they could be back by the time they are 10. Now just because I don't think the goalie should be there doesn't make her a bad person, doesn't make her parents bad people. The girls all like her, they all get along, and yes she was fine at the last party. The girls that should move down are great girls, who have been there forever, great friends and every bit part of the team. I don't think they are serving the team and I don't think they are being served by the team. That is my opinion. Now I suppose I could come on here and lie and tell you how great they are. Maybe it would make you feel better, but it would make those players any better. However it is LW's opinion that matters and as long as he wants them there then that is fine. So you are confusing reality with this board. Nobody is yelling at those girls, nobody is excluding those girls. As far as excuses go people ask "what happened" and then he responds and no matter what he says it will be labeled as an excuse. Also pay attention to the yelling. It's never about winning it's always to pay attention, do what the coach says, etc. I have never heard a kid yelled at for losing a game.

But I will let you in on a little soccer secret. Friends will not keep you on a team, your play will. SRSA is were they are not because of their level at the top, but because of how good the kids at the bottom are. All teams are trying to strengthen their roster to make it to select. If you can't handle the pressure of competative sports then don't play, they have rec for that. Your performance matters to a team. So boo hoo Don't know what team your DD is on or how she plays but if you think a kids doesn't play well and all the parents are happy to see her there, guess what. They aren't they just haven't said anything and neither has anybody on our team.

Pitchdad wrote:

Gunner9 wrote:At some point years from now, if these players are good enough for the ECNL level, they will begin to look at other clubs for that opportunity if LP doesn't get there first.

There is some question around the country that 5 ECNL teams from a population base like NTX is too many already. At what point does it cease to be elite?

Can an ECNL team/club be relegated out of the league, that might be interesting. A "challenge" situation where a club/team is relegated. That would add to the Elite status.[/quote]

I know the academy league on the boys side can be dropped. They re submitt every year

Finally we have a Dalglish parent actually state how it really is.

After all this time, the ruse of development and playing the right way has been unveiled.

Why would it matter if some of the girls hurt the team if it is truly about development? So what if the goalkeeper needs to learn how to play and develop. Also, if you really need to develop a total roster, who cares how much the subs play?

I assume everyone on here is intelligent, so either the LW kool aid has been totally consumed or LP parents have become experts at talking out of both ends.

You can't have it both ways.

yellowcard5 wrote:Finally we have a Dalglish parent actually state how it really is.

After all this time, the ruse of development and playing the right way has been unveiled.

Why would it matter if some of the girls hurt the team if it is truly about development? So what if the goalkeeper needs to learn how to play and develop. Also, if you really need to develop a total roster, who cares how much the subs play?

I assume everyone on here is intelligent, so either the LW kool aid has been totally consumed or LP parents have become experts at talking out of both ends.

You can't have it both ways.

Honestly I don't think anyone else believes there is anything special going on at LP or by LW besides the LP parents which is why they have chosen to play their kids there despite more prestigious options available.

LW is a good salesman and a good coach but in truth they are no different from any other top club in development or play. In all honestly, at the U7-U9 age it doesn't matter where they play and development IS more important than club name because these developed players will move to other clubs when going select unless LP makes enough inroads into the national scene in time.

The advantage kids at Texans, Solar, or Sting have, is that they can develop a top team earlier, and then take that team straight to ECNL with years of chemistry already developed. If they are not quite at ECNL (and let's be honest... the VAST majority of kids represented here will not play ECNL), they will have a better chance to play D1 due to this chemistry brought by years of playing together.

yellowcard5 wrote:Finally we have a Dalglish parent actually state how it really is.

After all this time, the ruse of development and playing the right way has been unveiled.

Why would it matter if some of the girls hurt the team if it is truly about development? So what if the goalkeeper needs to learn how to play and develop. Also, if you really need to develop a total roster, who cares how much the subs play?

I assume everyone on here is intelligent, so either the LW kool aid has been totally consumed or LP parents have become experts at talking out of both ends.

You can't have it both ways.

actually you can. Not every player is going to develop into a top team player. Daglish will not be playing select LP will and I am sure there will be beardsley, daglish, and other girls on that team. LW doesn't listen to me and he definitely plays the girls weather they hurt the game or not. He has chosen to keep the keeper so far even though she is an 03. The girls hurt the team in practice and that does matter as it limits what can be done in practice. But again that is LW's decision not mine. The ruse of development is that you can take any player and develop them into being a good player. Many coaches and parents fall into this ruse. You can't, the girls that have the physical traits, desire, competativeness, and agression will excel. As far as style of play, you can usually see it in how daglish plays. It's not an accident it is coached and worked on in practice. LW may feel he can develop them there. He may feel he can develope the keeper. I think he is wrong and thats my opinion. You don't coach talent. You find it and develop it as best you can. And LW is great at the development. I personally think he is soft on the getting players and cutting part. I have said before, he genuinly likes his players and I think he keeps some even when it's not in the best interest of the team or the players.

My view is that LW has an eye for Technical players. If you watch some of them play, they will grow to be great players in the future. Some of them are not big or fast and do not always dominate games but in the next few years will be able to make the big, athletic girls look average. Skill will overcome pure athleticism in this sport. I keep telling my DD to work on her skills but she prefers to watch Wizards of Waverly Place which kills me!

The sad thing is that Liverpool has the worst reputation at the academy level. No one can argue with the success that LW has had building the program, but when parents from all of the other teams talk about Daglish, they don't talk about how good they are. People only talk about how crazy the parents are. I'm sure they aren't all like that, but that's the perception.

There it is. I love it. I want some more of it. Dalglish expert wannabe talk. I agree with the majority of your angle. I believe in winners not participation medals, and I believe some of these young players on teams are downright hard to watch. However, its a game.. its 04 soccer.. its not a clear sign of talent 10 years from now. I also think small girls playing up and just learning to throw elbows and use their lack of size in vain attempts to draw fouls is likewise probably not the intended goal in playing up. But that is perhaps my own opinion. But to come on here as an adult and blame a loss on a 7 year old and then attempt to vocalize your teams desperate need to fill the void is arrogant, rude, and unnecessary. Tell your coach if you disagree but to specifically speak badly of another man's kid is not a wise thing to do. Mommy should have taught you better.

It's not a problem with the team, or the kids, or even what is being taught. It's the adults, the parents, the ESPN spectators who take everyone and everything so seriously, to push them to bad mouth another 7 year old that their own cow didn't calf because of a result of game played at the 04 soccer level.

Shelby427 wrote:

yellowcard5 wrote:Finally we have a Dalglish parent actually state how it really is.

After all this time, the ruse of development and playing the right way has been unveiled.

Why would it matter if some of the girls hurt the team if it is truly about development? So what if the goalkeeper needs to learn how to play and develop. Also, if you really need to develop a total roster, who cares how much the subs play?

I assume everyone on here is intelligent, so either the LW kool aid has been totally consumed or LP parents have become experts at talking out of both ends.

You can't have it both ways.

Honestly I don't think anyone else believes there is anything special going on at LP or by LW besides the LP parents which is why they have chosen to play their kids there despite more prestigious options available.

LW is a good salesman and a good coach but in truth they are no different from any other top club in development or play. In all honestly, at the U7-U9 age it doesn't matter where they play and development IS more important than club name because these developed players will move to other clubs when going select unless LP makes enough inroads into the national scene in time.

The advantage kids at Texans, Solar, or Sting have, is that they can develop a top team earlier, and then take that team straight to ECNL with years of chemistry already developed. If they are not quite at ECNL (and let's be honest... the VAST majority of kids represented here will not play ECNL), they will have a better chance to play D1 due to this chemistry brought by years of playing together.

As far as ECNL goes shelby doesn't matter at this age or the next. If the kid learns to play and is good every ECNL team has a spot for them. LP is in a struggle now to keep it's top girls teams together. Without ECNL they will eventually lose all of their top players and those girls on the bottom of the ECNL rosters will find themselves back in CL. LW does a good job coaching. Did a great job when it was teaxans and still does now. Not about the club it's about the coach, otherwise I would have stayed with texans or DM. What out for Bennett BTW DD former team and they have some girls that can play and now they finally have the coach that can develop them.

Same can be said about DTS and some of the DTN parents. It's a matter of perception, sure there are one or two loadmouths but I know several on other teams. DTN put several goals past my DD's team but they were still screaming as each one went in, which I found a bit disrespectful, but that's up to them.

I have personally never "blammed" a lose on a "7yr" old. But if people don't want to know what happened in a game then stop asking. I will also be the first to say keeper is the most difficult position to play. 1 mistake and its all your fault they lost. Striker can screw up all game. however it doesn't change the fact that if a ball rolls between you legs then it's your fault. Recover and fix it. If it doesn't bother you greatly as a player then you will never be a keeper. Again perspective and this board color your perception. If LW wants to keep the keeper and we keep leaking goals that fine with me. I personally could care less about the wins or losses. Too big a roster that effect DD's playtime (problem within the team the last 2 game) or she stops learning and developing, those are the things that would make me look for another team. As far as trying to fill spots on our team goes, thats not my job. But every team is strengthening. If you don't think so just wait for the top solar girls or some other top girl to start looking to show up at your team. Your coach will have room for her even if sombody on the bottom has to go. If you think your roster is set for select you are mistaken.

go99,

You say you don't blame a loss on the keeper but talk of "leaking" goals. You are the one blaming the kids. You are the one that has made the keeper and her family feel unwelcome by your attitude at the field and on this forum. You are what is wrong with Dalglish parents. It is parents like you that is the issue with academy soccer. Most relaxed parents? Really, how many times has LW sent an email to parents or a referee have to say something to a parent? Take the time and enjoy your daughter playing soccer and let the other parents do the same. If you want to come on here and bash someone, look at yourself first and throw that first stone when your daughter goes a full game, week, month or year without making a mistake. She is 7 years old and makes mistakes I am sure.