Week 5B Scores - 04 Girls - EAL, SDL, PTCL, DIAL - Post Them Here

WingNut wrote:

Shelby427 wrote:

footballfanatic wrote:

go99 wrote:EAL sucks and I hope RASE isn't playing there next season in any division. All of the good field this or that and 3 refs oh boy. The cooidinator sucks and it is all about competative games which seems nobody is getting. We were way better off in SDL last season. We would be better off not having played in a league and just scrimmaging other LP teams. Oh and because it's NTX soccer had the wonderful experience of paying a fortune to my local rec association just to play in EAL.

Yes, by the time you pay the huge fee to your local rec association, SDL is actually cheaper than EAL. At least it was for me. The leagues are watered down and are becoming a joke. Something has to change because there are many unhappy parents this season not getting their money's worth.

SDL is a joke. The fields, refs, no score keeping, and overall attitude is REC like.

Primetime and EAL have always been good. The only issue this year is again, NOT the coordinators fault that teams choose to play in 8 different leagues/divisions and that the Gold level 03 teams don't want an 04 team in their division.

AGREE! EAL coordinator has always worked well with me at least. Not really his fault who signs up or who cancels games an hour before start time. However I totally agree RASE should have been in Gold.

What HUGE fee are we talking about. Mine was 25 Dollars for the year with EAL fee was still cheaper than SDL. Also everyone hates NTSSA but it opens up all tourneys to us not just US Club sanctioned events.

I had to pay $50. I was under the assumption that this had to be paid each season but maybe it is an annual fee. I was told that some rec associations make you pay the same amount that it would cost to register for their rec league which is usually around $75.
So, if I am getting such a great deal, please tell me what I am getting for my $50. I'll admit I am not very up-to-date on soccer politics, but I am pretty sure most of the kids around the world don't have to pay a third party for permission to play in a specific league at the age of seven.
I do think that SDL is a horrible league compared to EAL and Primetime but somebody somewhere is making some money off of these stupid fees.

I was shook down by the Lake Highlands Mafia for $90. Non playing player and rec player are the same. I was so angry I thought about putting her on a team and then just going out on Saturday and having her run the score up (lake highlands hates that) I hear all the great things about EAL but so far all I see excuses and uncompetative games. But since the coordinator seems to work well with you, maybe you can ask him why he sucks

I'll agree SDL is rather expensive....but if it sucks so much why are the top 04 teams, other than LP RASE and Dalglish, playing there?
As for the fields....Blue Sky can be a haul but I found fields to be acceptable...same with the SDL fields in Plano.
The 2 ref thing actually works pretty well. I was skeptical at first....but I'd rather have two refs than kid ARs making bad offsides calls at critical times.
The really good refs in SDL are some of the best I've seen in the area....but, they've got some lousy ones as well. From what I've seen, so far, you get one of each every game!

SolarPower00 wrote:I'll agree SDL is rather expensive....but if it sucks so much why are the top 04 teams, other than LP RASE and Dalglish, playing there?
As for the fields....Blue Sky can be a haul but I found fields to be acceptable...same with the SDL fields in Plano.
The 2 ref thing actually works pretty well. I was skeptical at first....but I'd rather have two refs than kid ARs making bad offsides calls at critical times.
The really good refs in SDL are some of the best I've seen in the area....but, they've got some lousy ones as well. From what I've seen, so far, you get one of each every game!

I can think of "others"!

go99 wrote:I was shook down by the Lake Highlands Mafia for $90. Non playing player and rec player are the same. I was so angry I thought about putting her on a team and then just going out on Saturday and having her run the score up (lake highlands hates that) I hear all the great things about EAL but so far all I see excuses and uncompetative games. But since the coordinator seems to work well with you, maybe you can ask him why he sucks

The reason I hear, they didn't get to play 03 gold is because the other 03 teams DID NOT WANT THEM TO. What is Dom supposed to do, piss off several teams to please one?

Guess what, the 03s are seeing the same thing with the 02s. The older teams do not want younger teams who can compete with them in the SAME divisions period because it makes them look bad.

LW's options were 03 Silver, 04s, or to back out and play somewhere else.

Tell your coach to go organize some scrimmages with older Liverpool teams if you are hurting so bad. He is the DOC so I am sure he can arrange it.

Shelby427 wrote:

go99 wrote:I was shook down by the Lake Highlands Mafia for $90. Non playing player and rec player are the same. I was so angry I thought about putting her on a team and then just going out on Saturday and having her run the score up (lake highlands hates that) I hear all the great things about EAL but so far all I see excuses and uncompetative games. But since the coordinator seems to work well with you, maybe you can ask him why he sucks

The reason I hear, they didn't get to play 03 gold is because the other 03 teams DID NOT WANT THEM TO. What is Dom supposed to do, piss off several teams to please one?

Guess what, the 03s are seeing the same thing with the 02s. The older teams do not want younger teams who can compete with them in the SAME divisions period because it makes them look bad.

LW's options were 03 Silver, 04s, or to back out and play somewhere else.

Tell your coach to go organize some scrimmages with older Liverpool teams if you are hurting so bad. He is the DOC so I am sure he can arrange it.

Maybe those "older" teams should get over it and grow a pair. Its about development of the kids, not their egos

or just play SDL next season. Didn't seem to be a problem there. I seriously doubt that was the case that the 03 gold teams are worried about Rase and anyway several of them are LP and he is DOC

Booked again wrote:

Shelby427 wrote:

go99 wrote:I was shook down by the Lake Highlands Mafia for $90. Non playing player and rec player are the same. I was so angry I thought about putting her on a team and then just going out on Saturday and having her run the score up (lake highlands hates that) I hear all the great things about EAL but so far all I see excuses and uncompetative games. But since the coordinator seems to work well with you, maybe you can ask him why he sucks

The reason I hear, they didn't get to play 03 gold is because the other 03 teams DID NOT WANT THEM TO. What is Dom supposed to do, piss off several teams to please one?

Guess what, the 03s are seeing the same thing with the 02s. The older teams do not want younger teams who can compete with them in the SAME divisions period because it makes them look bad.

LW's options were 03 Silver, 04s, or to back out and play somewhere else.

Tell your coach to go organize some scrimmages with older Liverpool teams if you are hurting so bad. He is the DOC so I am sure he can arrange it.

Maybe those "older" teams should get over it and grow a pair. Its about development of the kids, not their egos

How about use your brain.

What does an older team have to gain in beating a younger team? NOTHING at all. The ONLY one who can benefit is the younger team. If they win, they show the older team they are not where they should be. If they lose, it's because they are younger and "should" lose. Either way, there is NOTHING good in it for the older teams. In other words, you had risk, but no reward. It is a lose-lose. Did I break that down enough?

As team approach qualifying, they will certainly not want their records tarnished with the loss of a team one year younger.
In the end, the best answer for top 04 teams will be to coordinate into a single league for balanced play.

Of course this carries the risk you might actually lose a game with some team your own age without the “they were older” excuse.

Now that’s something I could see someone being afraid of.

Shelby427 wrote:

Booked again wrote:

Shelby427 wrote:

go99 wrote:I was shook down by the Lake Highlands Mafia for $90. Non playing player and rec player are the same. I was so angry I thought about putting her on a team and then just going out on Saturday and having her run the score up (lake highlands hates that) I hear all the great things about EAL but so far all I see excuses and uncompetative games. But since the coordinator seems to work well with you, maybe you can ask him why he sucks

The reason I hear, they didn't get to play 03 gold is because the other 03 teams DID NOT WANT THEM TO. What is Dom supposed to do, piss off several teams to please one?

Guess what, the 03s are seeing the same thing with the 02s. The older teams do not want younger teams who can compete with them in the SAME divisions period because it makes them look bad.

LW's options were 03 Silver, 04s, or to back out and play somewhere else.

Tell your coach to go organize some scrimmages with older Liverpool teams if you are hurting so bad. He is the DOC so I am sure he can arrange it.

Maybe those "older" teams should get over it and grow a pair. Its about development of the kids, not their egos

How about use your brain.

What does an older team have to gain in beating a younger team? NOTHING at all. The ONLY one who can benefit is the younger team. If they win, they show the older team they are not where they should be. If they lose, it's because they are younger and "should" lose. Either way, there is NOTHING good in it for the older teams. In other words, you had risk, but no reward. It is a lose-lose. Did I break that down enough?

As team approach qualifying, they will certainly not want their records tarnished with the loss of a team one year younger.
In the end, the best answer for top 04 teams will be to coordinate into a single league for balanced play.

Of course this carries the risk you might actually lose a game with some team your own age without the “they were older” excuse.

Now that’s something I could see someone being afraid of.

I was thinking more along the lines of, if its a close competitive game, no matter who the winner is, it would be good for both teams development wise. Thats what most of the parents want, not the highest ranking in a U8-U9 age group.

how about it's just youth soccer and it's not showing anybody anything. The 03's teams that are running over 03 teams that should have been in silver are not learning anything or being challenged either. Lopsided games are good for no one. So this is not about RASE it is about a coordinators failure to put together competative games for everybody. It's not about the refs or the fields it's about the games and in that sense EAL has failed horribly

Booked again wrote:

Shelby427 wrote:

Booked again wrote:

Shelby427 wrote:

go99 wrote:I was shook down by the Lake Highlands Mafia for $90. Non playing player and rec player are the same. I was so angry I thought about putting her on a team and then just going out on Saturday and having her run the score up (lake highlands hates that) I hear all the great things about EAL but so far all I see excuses and uncompetative games. But since the coordinator seems to work well with you, maybe you can ask him why he sucks

The reason I hear, they didn't get to play 03 gold is because the other 03 teams DID NOT WANT THEM TO. What is Dom supposed to do, piss off several teams to please one?

Guess what, the 03s are seeing the same thing with the 02s. The older teams do not want younger teams who can compete with them in the SAME divisions period because it makes them look bad.

LW's options were 03 Silver, 04s, or to back out and play somewhere else.

Tell your coach to go organize some scrimmages with older Liverpool teams if you are hurting so bad. He is the DOC so I am sure he can arrange it.

Maybe those "older" teams should get over it and grow a pair. Its about development of the kids, not their egos

How about use your brain.

What does an older team have to gain in beating a younger team? NOTHING at all. The ONLY one who can benefit is the younger team. If they win, they show the older team they are not where they should be. If they lose, it's because they are younger and "should" lose. Either way, there is NOTHING good in it for the older teams. In other words, you had risk, but no reward. It is a lose-lose. Did I break that down enough?

As team approach qualifying, they will certainly not want their records tarnished with the loss of a team one year younger.
In the end, the best answer for top 04 teams will be to coordinate into a single league for balanced play.

Of course this carries the risk you might actually lose a game with some team your own age without the “they were older” excuse.

Now that’s something I could see someone being afraid of.

I was thinking more along the lines of, if its a close competitive game, no matter who the winner is, it would be good for both teams development wise. Thats what most of the parents want, not the highest ranking in a U8-U9 age group.

04s could learn something from the 05s. The top grouping of 05s minus HYYPIA are all playing EAL and they have had some very good games. Also I am told HYYPIA is joining EAL this fall so you will have all the top 05 teams playing each other on a regular schedule. Wow novel concept!

youthsports wrote:I am on Shelby's side with this. A top team in Keller would travel two hours roundtrip, each Sunday for 9 year old girls soccer girl game. My question is for what? Primetime games are entertaining and just adding one or two Coppell based or West Dallas based teams would make it a top league.

If EAL can get LP Rase and some of the other top 04 teams to play in the same 9v9 04 division next fall, then EAL would probably have the top league for the 04 group. Can you image an EAL division with LP Rase, Solar Kennington, DT North Manchester, DT Deleon, Tx Spirit, Sting West, etc.?

My vote would be to have the top teams play in either Primetime or EAL based on geography. Then have the top 3 teams in each league play in each other in a tournament at the end of the season (1 guest player allowed).

I think it would be great to get some of the better teams together to play.

But I have a question regarding "guest" players. What is the real purporse? to boost your ranking? to beat a team you otherwise wouldn't be able to? If you have a team, that all pay the same fees, practice together, and play together, where is the benefit to the guest players? To boost your record? You take playing time away from girls who are on the team and practice with the team.

If the coach is trying to decide if they want the player on the team, can't they determine that from practices? If the player is trying out the team, can't they get the same insight from practices and watching some games?

I really enjoyed the ranking post - don't have much of a dog in the fight, as it doesn't really matter. But I find it loses value when Team A beat Team B, but it turns out Team A was playing with 2 guest players, and Team B would otherwise have won. Which "Team" is better? How do your kids feel when their playing time is cut short so the superstar "guest" player can get more playing time?

The reason I hear, they didn't get to play 03 gold is because the other 03 teams DID NOT WANT THEM TO. What is Dom supposed to do, piss off several teams to please one?

Where is everyone "hearing" this? Has Dom confirmed it or is it the standard rumor mill?

Here are the results from the last tournament where RASE / Dalglish played up to 03 gold:

L 0-2 to DALLAS TEXANS SOUTH 03 (G. ADAMES) (TXN)
L 0-3 to LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA 03 GIRLS WHELAN (TXN)
L 4-5 to MUSTANGS FC 03 (TXN)

I know the next reply will be about missing players or guest players or blah blah blah but 0-3 against 1 "top 10" team and 2 "honorable mentions"? My point is I seriously doubt the 03 coaches are standing in a corner somewhere in fear of playing good competition even though the LW parents would like for everyone to believe that. If they are, they should get out of coaching because they aren't doing your DD's any service. My 02 DD enjoys playing anyone and we have been beat numerous times by top 03's but again I don't think anyone is afraid of it. Perhaps LW doesn't want to deal with it since he already has a team in 03 Gold and it would be a personal conflict for him and not necessarily every other coach in the league?

Maybe Dom could shed some light on all of this??????

go99 wrote:how about it's just youth soccer and it's not showing anybody anything. The 03's teams that are running over 03 teams that should have been in silver are not learning anything or being challenged either. Lopsided games are good for no one. So this is not about RASE it is about a coordinators failure to put together competative games for everybody. It's not about the refs or the fields it's about the games and in that sense EAL has failed horribly

When there is little track record as is the case here with these teams not really seeing much of each other, schedulers depend mainly on the coaches playing in the leagues.

Yes yes... it's all for the development blah blah blah... the 03s are a little over a year away from qualifying and that is on the minds of everyone in that group.

You still give NO good reason for an older team to want to play a younger team. Someone mentioned good competitive games but 03s can still get those with 03s.

Txsoccer02 wrote:The reason I hear, they didn't get to play 03 gold is because the other 03 teams DID NOT WANT THEM TO. What is Dom supposed to do, piss off several teams to please one?

Where is everyone "hearing" this? Has Dom confirmed it or is it the standard rumor mill?

Here are the results from the last tournament where RASE / Dalglish played up to 03 gold:

L 0-2 to DALLAS TEXANS SOUTH 03 (G. ADAMES) (TXN)
L 0-3 to LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA 03 GIRLS WHELAN (TXN)
L 4-5 to MUSTANGS FC 03 (TXN)

I know the next reply will be about missing players or guest players or blah blah blah but 0-3 against 1 "top 10" team and 2 "honorable mentions"? My point is I seriously doubt the 03 coaches are standing in a corner somewhere in fear of playing good competition even though the LW parents would like for everyone to believe that. If they are, they should get out of coaching because they aren't doing your DD's any service. My 02 DD enjoys playing anyone and we have been beat numerous times by top 03's but again I don't think anyone is afraid of it. Perhaps LW doesn't want to deal with it since he already has a team in 03 Gold and it would be a personal conflict for him and not necessarily every other coach in the league?

Maybe Dom could shed some light on all of this??????

No one said they are afraid. You are missing the point. OLDER TEAMS HAVE NOTHING TO GAIN. THERE IS NO UPSIDE FOR THEM.

If RASE parents are unhappy, they should talk to their coach about it. I think you will find the coaches THEMSELVES all the way around had much to do with how the divisions turned out.

Txsoccer02 wrote:The reason I hear, they didn't get to play 03 gold is because the other 03 teams DID NOT WANT THEM TO. What is Dom supposed to do, piss off several teams to please one?

Where is everyone "hearing" this? Has Dom confirmed it or is it the standard rumor mill?

Here are the results from the last tournament where RASE / Dalglish played up to 03 gold:

L 0-2 to DALLAS TEXANS SOUTH 03 (G. ADAMES) (TXN)
L 0-3 to LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA 03 GIRLS WHELAN (TXN)
L 4-5 to MUSTANGS FC 03 (TXN)

I know the next reply will be about missing players or guest players or blah blah blah but 0-3 against 1 "top 10" team and 2 "honorable mentions"? My point is I seriously doubt the 03 coaches are standing in a corner somewhere in fear of playing good competition even though the LW parents would like for everyone to believe that. If they are, they should get out of coaching because they aren't doing your DD's any service. My 02 DD enjoys playing anyone and we have been beat numerous times by top 03's but again I don't think anyone is afraid of it. Perhaps LW doesn't want to deal with it since he already has a team in 03 Gold and it would be a personal conflict for him and not necessarily every other coach in the league?

Maybe Dom could shed some light on all of this??????

2-0 against DTS 03 and 1-0 against Dalglish 03! Seems like good results for an 04 team to me, not many other 03 teams would come away with scores like that so to me proves that they should be in Gold division. One of the RASE parents told me last week that they had played Lady Aztecs 3 times and beat them on each occasion yet they are in EAL gold.

Master Bates wrote:

Txsoccer02 wrote:The reason I hear, they didn't get to play 03 gold is because the other 03 teams DID NOT WANT THEM TO. What is Dom supposed to do, piss off several teams to please one?

Where is everyone "hearing" this? Has Dom confirmed it or is it the standard rumor mill?

Here are the results from the last tournament where RASE / Dalglish played up to 03 gold:

L 0-2 to DALLAS TEXANS SOUTH 03 (G. ADAMES) (TXN)
L 0-3 to LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA 03 GIRLS WHELAN (TXN)
L 4-5 to MUSTANGS FC 03 (TXN)

I know the next reply will be about missing players or guest players or blah blah blah but 0-3 against 1 "top 10" team and 2 "honorable mentions"? My point is I seriously doubt the 03 coaches are standing in a corner somewhere in fear of playing good competition even though the LW parents would like for everyone to believe that. If they are, they should get out of coaching because they aren't doing your DD's any service. My 02 DD enjoys playing anyone and we have been beat numerous times by top 03's but again I don't think anyone is afraid of it. Perhaps LW doesn't want to deal with it since he already has a team in 03 Gold and it would be a personal conflict for him and not necessarily every other coach in the league?

Maybe Dom could shed some light on all of this??????

2-0 against DTS 03 and 1-0 against Dalglish 03! Seems like good results for an 04 team to me, not many other 03 teams would come away with scores like that so to me proves that they should be in Gold division. One of the RASE parents told me last week that they had played Lady Aztecs 3 times and beat them on each occasion yet they are in EAL gold.

And here comes the "blah blah blah" - yes, RASE (then Dalglish) was as I understand it missing a bunch of kids for the tourney you mentioned! Not sure it can be an excuse when factual?
In any event , since these are academy aged kids and rosters can change monthly I believe you always have to look at recent history when assessing strength of teams. They have rampaged through everyone in recent futsal, 3v3, league play and so on.

Totally missing the point. Rase is not the only team in EAL with lopsided games and the 04's may be even worse. The league is unbalanced and not a good place to help with the dwevelopment of your team.

go99 wrote:Totally missing the point. Rase is not the only team in EAL with lopsided games. So far there have been more blowouts being posted than competative games in EAL which would say to me "don't bring your team to EAL. The league is unbalanced and not a good place to help with the dwevelopment of your team."

What part of this do you not get?

EAL had a huge addition of new teams who had little history playing each other before in both 04s and 03s. With this, it is difficult to create precise divisions. Obviously next year it will be easier because you will have history with these teams playing each other. Without this history, schedulers rely on the opinions of the coaches.

You keep referring to SDL and your great experiences there and that proves my point. SDL teams were fairly steady for several seasons allowing schedulers to precisely place teams based on their history with each other.

Also, every league has teams at the bottom of each division who tend to get beat up on. This is just the nature of competition. Anyhow, let’s see where we end up at the end of the season before we pass final judgments.

go99 wrote:Totally missing the point. Rase is not the only team in EAL with lopsided games. So far there have been more blowouts being posted than competative games in EAL which would say to me "don't bring your team to EAL. The league is unbalanced and not a good place to help with the dwevelopment of your team."

That's what happens when you recruit all the best girls in one age group. SRSA 03 is having the same problem. They can't get into the Gold Div of TGPL because the 02' s would rather play other 02's than a younger 03 team(SRSA) that "might" be a little better than the bottom 02 teams in TPGL gold league. The problem is only going to get worse for you. Next year the 03's are not going to want you guys in there top league either....especially being the yr before select for them. Then the following year when you guys are one yr away from select it will happen again when you have to play your own age. So back to my original point, that's what happens when you recruit all the best players in your age group....the road to finding competetive games gets a little harder to come by! It looks like a little of the blame could be pointed at yourselves instead of blaming other teams and leagues for not accomodating you guys at the expense of their teams development.

again it's not about rase. Our scoring total is nowhere near say Dalglish or the tx spirit teams in the 04's. There is no problem at all finding competative games. Gold would have been very competative. I don't put rase as winning the bracket but not at the bottom either. RASE is not SRSA at this point and may never hit that level. If anyone was to ask me about putting a team in EAl my answer would be don't do it. Oh and somehow I suspect SRSA is doing just fine

Just a thought, but with how many teams LP has in each academy age division why haven't they considered doing their own in house league. They have enough teams to pull it off.

not sure why they don't do SDL since it uses the Blusky fields. They don't do their own league because as FCD found out, parents have the need to feel like they are winning something. They don't see the inter team stuff as real games. Although I hear something like this may happen in th 03 boys with many of the top club teams pulling out and each doing their own club thing.

go99 wrote:again it's not about rase. Our scoring total is nowhere near say Dalglish or the tx spirit teams in the 04's. There is no problem at all finding competative games. Gold would have been very competative. I don't put rase as winning the bracket but not at the bottom either. RASE is not SRSA at this point and may never hit that level. If anyone was to ask me about putting a team in EAl my answer would be don't do it. Oh and somehow I suspect SRSA is doing just fine

There were simply not enough teams in the 04 group to create two divisions.

Still half of the games for each team should be competitive at least when the season plays out as the top 5 are competitive with each other and likewise for the bottom 4. Well Sting West is kind of in-between.

It just happens to turn out that the top 5 are playing alot of the bottom 4 more often at the begining of the season.

go99 wrote:not sure why they don't do SDL since it uses the Blusky fields. They don't do their own league because as FCD found out, parents have the need to feel like they are winning something. They don't see the inter team stuff as real games. Although I hear something like this may happen in th 03 boys with many of the top club teams pulling out and each doing their own club thing.

You can't sell it to everyone, but all you need is say 40 kids, 4 teams of 10, and play it that way. If its trully about development that's all that should matter.

Shelby427 wrote:

go99 wrote:again it's not about rase. Our scoring total is nowhere near say Dalglish or the tx spirit teams in the 04's. There is no problem at all finding competative games. Gold would have been very competative. I don't put rase as winning the bracket but not at the bottom either. RASE is not SRSA at this point and may never hit that level. If anyone was to ask me about putting a team in EAl my answer would be don't do it. Oh and somehow I suspect SRSA is doing just fine

There were simply not enough teams in the 04 group to create two divisions.

Still half of the games for each team should be competitive at least when the season plays out as the top 5 are competitive with each other and likewise for the bottom 4. Well Sting West is kind of in-between.

It just happens to turn out that the top 5 are playing alot of the bottom 4 more often at the begining of the season.

A lot of '04 teams will come out of the woodwork over the next two years.