Week 5B Scores - 04 Girls - EAL, SDL, PTCL, DIAL - Post Them Here

Shelby427 wrote:

go99 wrote:again it's not about rase. Our scoring total is nowhere near say Dalglish or the tx spirit teams in the 04's. There is no problem at all finding competative games. Gold would have been very competative. I don't put rase as winning the bracket but not at the bottom either. RASE is not SRSA at this point and may never hit that level. If anyone was to ask me about putting a team in EAl my answer would be don't do it. Oh and somehow I suspect SRSA is doing just fine

There were simply not enough teams in the 04 group to create two divisions.

Still half of the games for each team should be competitive at least when the season plays out as the top 5 are competitive with each other and likewise for the bottom 4. Well Sting West is kind of in-between.

It just happens to turn out that the top 5 are playing alot of the bottom 4 more often at the begining of the season.

A lot of '04 teams will come out of the woodwork over the next two years.

go99 wrote:again it's not about rase. Our scoring total is nowhere near say Dalglish or the tx spirit teams in the 04's. There is no problem at all finding competative games. Gold would have been very competative. I don't put rase as winning the bracket but not at the bottom either. RASE is not SRSA at this point and may never hit that level. If anyone was to ask me about putting a team in EAl my answer would be don't do it. Oh and somehow I suspect SRSA is doing just fine

Then yell my why a 03 team that is just as competitive as you guys have to drop down and play in silver just because you guys want to play in gold? The worst team in 03 gold(Lady Aztecs) is playing competetive in the gold....one blow out loss and two close losses. While I understand you guys could and have beaten them, that'd not the point....they are being competetive and are entitled to try and develop just like you guys.

Hey I have a great idea, how about everyone plays age pure in league play and if you want to play up you can only do it in tournements.

I will actually agree with friscosoccer05 for once, how about the top six 04 teams play in the same league and quit being scared they might drop a game.

guess I just miss the day of older BB when all of the competative teams played in SDL. Playing up was possible at the discretion of the league to keep things competative. Lot's of new leagues have popped up to make themselves money and have really done nothing more than water things down. At this point I agree with the LP doing it's own thing idea and now understand why the idea is floating around on the boys side in the 03's with Texans and FCD. Not getting anything more than you could get out of internal scrimmages

go99 wrote:guess I just miss the day of older BB when all of the competative teams played in SDL. Playing up was possible at the discretion of the league to keep things competative. Lot's of new leagues have popped up to make themselves money and have really done nothing more than water things down. At this point I agree with the LP doing it's own thing idea and now understand why the idea is floating around on the boys side in the 03's with Texans and FCD. Not getting anything more than you could get out of internal scrimmages

I'm not hating on you go99 because my older dds team is in the same boat. It's just hard to find competition. You guys could also try and play in a boys league.

Actually the last summer before qualifying my BB had to play a few tournaments that the Rowdies were in. They were the biggest team in the tournament and very competative

If my memory is correct, these 'non-SDL' leagues all started on the girls side around the time the 01G age group was going through Academy. The first couple of years of 01G Academy, SDL was it.

Then, Prime Time got involved with their own league. But, peeople complained of the quality of PT fields. Then, PT worked out a deal for H.S. turf fields, and launced another league, TGPL. My 01 played in that for 2 years and we LOVED it. Top teams...excellent turf fields.

This success got the eye of GLASA and they launched EAL.

So, when my 98G went through...it was SDL and NTX Tournaments. My 01G went through, it was SDL, PT and TGPL. Now, my 04G's are going and its SDL, PT, TGPL, and EAL.

Everybody wants their slice of the $ pie, I guess.

SoccerDad4 wrote:If my memory is correct, these 'non-SDL' leagues all started on the girls side around the time the 01G age group was going through Academy. The first couple of years of 01G Academy, SDL was it.

Then, Prime Time got involved with their own league. But, peeople complained of the quality of PT fields. Then, PT worked out a deal for H.S. turf fields, and launced another league, TGPL. My 01 played in that for 2 years and we LOVED it. Top teams...excellent turf fields.

This success got the eye of GLASA and they launched EAL.

So, when my 98G went through...it was SDL and NTX Tournaments. My 01G went through, it was SDL, PT and TGPL. Now, my 04G's are going and its SDL, PT, TGPL, and EAL.

Everybody wants their slice of the $ pie, I guess.

Yes, it is about the money. I don't blame these organizations as they are about business and profit. However, in the end it hurts the girls. The parents need to do something about it. Like I said before, it will take somebody to organize the top teams in one league. Get RASE, Texans, and Solar to play in one league and the rest will follow.

There were some 03 Gold teams that demanded not to play against an 04 team. However, it was not all of them. Yes, RASE is a good team and it is to no one's benefit to win or lose 10-0 every week. That is why I reserve the right to shift a couple of the matchups in the 03 division, so that the top teams in Silver can play a game or two against a Gold team. It is the same thing I will be doing in other divisions, including the 02 division, which is having mid-season relegation. I don't want a complete revolt by the 03 Gold, teams, but if I can squeeze in a couple of games between the top Silver and bottom Gold teams, I will. For some teams it is about winning and record. For others, it is about development.


I think that it is ridiculous that NTSSA associations can charge whatever they want to players who elect Academy over Recreational. NTSSA mandates that players register for Academy based on geography and allows associations to charge whatever they wish. Often times, Rec associations are trying to punish the Academy player for not playing Rec. Sometimes, it is because the association is in such pitiful financial shape that is needs every dime it can get. I won't name a particular association, but it rhymes with Jenton.

Just under $15 per Academy player (for the year) goes to NTSSA insurance. Should an association charge something for a person who has to look up the registration number and verify the birth certificate and scam/email the form to the parent? Yes, but some associations are out of control. They should take a reasonable fee, make the form good for the Fall and Spring (some make you come back each season to pay again), and be done with it.

GLASA charges $50 in the Fall and $25 in the Spring if playing Academy-only - $0 if the player is playing GLASA Rec. Is that too much? Maybe, but it is less that most, which is why the Board set those prices. It would be great if NTSSA took Academy Registrations directly at their Carrollton office or capped the amount that Associations could charge for Academy registration, but that is a pipe dream. The majority of the associations would not vote for that.

US Club Soccer charges less to register a player. If a team chooses Primetime or SDL over EAL, UAL, or PAL because their home association is gouging their players, I respect the team's decision. I would do it, too. As the first Director of Soccer for PrimeTime, that was one of my selling points to teams when the league was created.


As for what EAL makes off the league, let's look at 03g division:


$675 Team Registration Fe
- $350 Referees (10 games x $35 per team. Each referee crew in U9 makes $70 per game)
- $52.50 Referee Assignor (10 games x 5.25. Referee assignor make $10.50 per U9 game)
- $10 Gotsoccer team scheduling fee
- $10 Game Scheduler fee (what Dom makes)
- $200 Fee to City of Lewisville for field usage (approximation - actual number is based on roster size and billed at end of the season)
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$52.50 What GLASA makes per U9 EAL team.

This does not include rainouts where we have to pay the referee assignor (and sometimes the referees) a second time, rent on the office, utilities, full-time office manager, etc.



If you have any questions or want to tell me I suck, feel free to pm me or call me (no charge). I need to get back to recheduling games that were rained out or were last minute cancellations because of Spring Break, which snuck up on some people.



I love you all and am not offended by anything posted on this forum. This type of dialogue is important.

or want to tell me I suck

Well, they better not! Thanks for posting this, great information. And we are not in your league but I wish we had similar "dialogue" with our league-you have been great about posting what teams are "in" (whether for tourneys or league) and it really helps all of us in deciding where/when to play.

coachdom23 wrote:There were some 03 Gold teams that demanded not to play against an 04 team. However, it was not all of them. Yes, RASE is a good team and it is to no one's benefit to win or lose 10-0 every week. That is why I reserve the right to shift a couple of the matchups in the 03 division, so that the top teams in Silver can play a game or two against a Gold team. It is the same thing I will be doing in other divisions, including the 02 division, which is having mid-season relegation. I don't want a complete revolt by the 03 Gold, teams, but if I can squeeze in a couple of games between the top Silver and bottom Gold teams, I will. For some teams it is about winning and record. For others, it is about development.


I think that it is ridiculous that NTSSA associations can charge whatever they want to players who elect Academy over Recreational. NTSSA mandates that players register for Academy based on geography and allows associations to charge whatever they wish. Often times, Rec associations are trying to punish the Academy player for not playing Rec. Sometimes, it is because the association is in such pitiful financial shape that is needs every dime it can get. I won't name a particular association, but it rhymes with Jenton.

Just under $15 per Academy player (for the year) goes to NTSSA insurance. Should an association charge something for a person who has to look up the registration number and verify the birth certificate and scam/email the form to the parent? Yes, but some associations are out of control. They should take a reasonable fee, make the form good for the Fall and Spring (some make you come back each season to pay again), and be done with it.

GLASA charges $50 in the Fall and $25 in the Spring if playing Academy-only - $0 if the player is playing GLASA Rec. Is that too much? Maybe, but it is less that most, which is why the Board set those prices. It would be great if NTSSA took Academy Registrations directly at their Carrollton office or capped the amount that Associations could charge for Academy registration, but that is a pipe dream. The majority of the associations would not vote for that.

US Club Soccer charges less to register a player. If a team chooses Primetime or SDL over EAL, UAL, or PAL because their home association is gouging their players, I respect the team's decision. I would do it, too. As the first Director of Soccer for PrimeTime, that was one of my selling points to teams when the league was created.


As for what EAL makes off the league, let's look at 03g division:


$675 Team Registration Fe
- $350 Referees (10 games x $35 per team. Each referee crew in U9 makes $70 per game)
- $52.50 Referee Assignor (10 games x 5.25. Referee assignor make $10.50 per U9 game)
- $10 Gotsoccer team scheduling fee
- $10 Game Scheduler fee (what Dom makes)
- $200 Fee to City of Lewisville for field usage (approximation - actual number is based on roster size and billed at end of the season)
---------
$52.50 What GLASA makes per U9 EAL team.

This does not include rainouts where we have to pay the referee assignor (and sometimes the referees) a second time, rent on the office, utilities, full-time office manager, etc.



If you have any questions or want to tell me I suck, feel free to pm me or call me (no charge). I need to get back to recheduling games that were rained out or were last minute cancellations because of Spring Break, which snuck up on some people.



I love you all and am not offended by anything posted on this forum. This type of dialogue is important.

Thank you very much. That is very good information. If all leagues would be this upfront and honest they wouldn't have such a bad reputation, i.e., SDL.
On a side note, if my association charges me another $50 again (which I think they will) to play in EAL next season, I am going to go apeshi* on someone.

Also, I would much rather my 04 play against a top 05 team rather than play a bad 04 team that you know you will easily beat and have to play "keep away" for half the game. Any coach that refuses to play a good younger team is cowardly and not focusing on development.

Coach Dom,

I've always appreciated your accessibility, as you've answered a few PM's from me over the years.

Question. Have you thought of trying to secure the turf fields at Marcus, Hebron, Lew. High, and having a "top tier" Academy league...like TGPL was a few years ago? That really drew the top 01G teams for a couple of years.

SoccerDad4 wrote:Coach Dom,

I've always appreciated your accessibility, as you've answered a few PM's from me over the years.

Question. Have you thought of trying to secure the turf fields at Marcus, Hebron, Lew. High, and having a "top tier" Academy league...like TGPL was a few years ago? That really drew the top 01G teams for a couple of years.

The Lewisville ISD has more than one policy about renting out their stadiums and gyms. Pardon the pun, but there was a turf war over these stadiums that caused the district to review the practices and policies. For now, the stadiums are off limits to just about everybody.

I have an opportunity for a U9 Gold team to play RASE this Saturday. Because it is not our normal league day and short notice, I have emailed our Gold teams asking for a team to volunteer for this game.

footballfanatic wrote:Any coach that refuses to play a good younger team is cowardly and not focusing on development.

That's painting with a rather broad stroke, don't you think? My bb's 02 team has played some 03 teams over the years. We don't like it. Why? Same as a pp mentioned - if the 03's lose it's because they were younger. If they win - well the parents (and a coach or 2) have been downright ugly; woo hoo, my 7 yo beat your 9 yo!! We've played some very mismatched games against other 02 teams; we never get the "in your face" ugliness from the victors unless it's a younger team. Hell, we even had a coach approach our bench and tell our players that they just got beat by a bunch of little kids. If teams want to play up in tournaments, fine. I don't agree with it in league play.

copa44 wrote:

footballfanatic wrote:Any coach that refuses to play a good younger team is cowardly and not focusing on development.

That's painting with a rather broad stroke, don't you think? My bb's 02 team has played some 03 teams over the years. We don't like it. Why? Same as a pp mentioned - if the 03's lose it's because they were younger. If they win - well the parents (and a coach or 2) have been downright ugly; woo hoo, my 7 yo beat your 9 yo!! We've played some very mismatched games against other 02 teams; we never get the "in your face" ugliness from the victors unless it's a younger team. Hell, we even had a coach approach our bench and tell our players that they just got beat by a bunch of little kids. If teams want to play up in tournaments, fine. I don't agree with it in league play.

This is EXACTLY the point. There is NOTHING for the older teams to gain. Don't say "development from competition" either. The older teams can get this from teams their same age.

The only team in a position to gain is the younger team. Who wants to play in a no-win situation?

This also applies to when DDs play BBs.

I could care less what the age of the other team is as long as the team is competative. And the behavior you are talking about says more about the little snots and bad parents on those teams than anything else. I would rather play as tough a game as possible for as long as possible and worry less about the wins/losses/ or age of the teams. For some reason the age doesn't seem to bother the top team. DTS had no problem taking it too us. Neither juve. But to be fair, about a year ago I did see a coach berating his team because they were losing "to a bunch of little girls " The reality is they were way bigger, faster and stronger. But they aggressively chased every ball and had no shape. They lost to a younger team because he had failed to coach them to play and organized game of soccer. Oh and for the teams that don't want to play younger teams. They should worry less about them and more about impending competition. RASE is below the level of the Top 10 03 teams maybe below top 15. Can't beat them you have a long qualificaation coming. Outside that top 15 is not a pretty place

Go99

Do you know if RASE plans to play 11v11 next fall or will they play 04 9v9?

I am gonna assume 9v9 as long as absolutely possible. Again its a development thing. But things change and it's not a decision I get to make.

go99 wrote:I could care less what the age of the other team is as long as the team is competative. And the behavior you are talking about says more about the little snots and bad parents on those teams than anything else. I would rather play as tough a game as possible for as long as possible and worry less about the wins/losses/ or age of the teams. For some reason the age doesn't seem to bother the top team. DTS had no problem taking it too us. Neither juve. But to be fair, about a year ago I did see a coach berating his team because they were losing "to a bunch of little girls " The reality is they were way bigger, faster and stronger. But they aggressively chased every ball and had no shape. They lost to a younger team because he had failed to coach them to play and organized game of soccer. Oh and for the teams that don't want to play younger teams. They should worry less about them and more about impending competition. RASE is below the level of the Top 10 03 teams maybe below top 15. Can't beat them you have a long qualificaation coming. Outside that top 15 is not a pretty place

It should be obvious that the top teams in one age group will beat the 3rd and some 2nd tier teams in the next age group up. It's not just about “superior” coaching, skill, and tactics because at the top level of each age group you will have collected the superior talent along with top level athleticism in that age group.

Thus it is also about the confidence of the older teams who are in the bottom tiers versus the younger top teams outmatched with a team that is really stacked from a talent/athleticism point of view.

go99 wrote:I could care less what the age of the other team is as long as the team is competative. And the behavior you are talking about says more about the little snots and bad parents on those teams than anything else. I would rather play as tough a game as possible for as long as possible and worry less about the wins/losses/ or age of the teams. For some reason the age doesn't seem to bother the top team. DTS had no problem taking it too us. Neither juve. But to be fair, about a year ago I did see a coach berating his team because they were losing "to a bunch of little girls " The reality is they were way bigger, faster and stronger. But they aggressively chased every ball and had no shape. They lost to a younger team because he had failed to coach them to play and organized game of soccer. Oh and for the teams that don't want to play younger teams. They should worry less about them and more about impending competition. RASE is below the level of the Top 10 03 teams maybe below top 15. Can't beat them you have a long qualificaation coming. Outside that top 15 is not a pretty place

I'll agree RASE is a good benchmark for an 03 team with thoughts of qualifying. You better get to a point where you can at least split with them. But, and I say but because my DD's team is in that 15-25 range, alot can change in the next year+ before qualification . So no need to be nervous now.
I welcome the chance to play them....not sure if our coach feels the same though???

I think most people realize RASE are a really good team but not amazing. I still think the 03 coaches are a bit sad by not letting them play Gold, it's about Development, nothing else!

Master Bates wrote:I think most people realize RASE are a really good team but not amazing. I still think the 03 coaches are a bit sad by not letting them play Gold, it's about Development, nothing else!

Let's take your argument that it is nothing but development.

Can the 03s get the exact same development without the 04s playing them? The answer is an obvious yes so you still have not given any good reason for an 03 team to play an 04 team, yet we can give SEVERAL good reasons for them NOT to play.

One good reason is STRICLY to avoid hurting the confidence of older girls who lack the untrainable aspects of natural talent and ahtleticsm that will be better in the top tiers of a younger group playing up against 2nd and 3rd tiers of an older grouop.

In other words the best of the 04s have better natural talent and more ahtlecism on average than the average to good of the 03s but fall short against the best of the 03s who have the top talent and athleicism of that age group. The same applies to the 03s vs. the 02s and so on.

It is the equivalent of a professional middleweight fighter against an amateur heavyweight. Now take that same pro middleweight and put him in the ring with the pro heavyweight and you will quickly see why they have weight classes in the first place.

Shelby427 wrote:

Master Bates wrote:I think most people realize RASE are a really good team but not amazing. I still think the 03 coaches are a bit sad by not letting them play Gold, it's about Development, nothing else!

Let's take your argument that it is nothing but development.

Can the 03s get the exact same development without the 04s playing them? The answer is an obvious yes so you still have not given any good reason for an 03 team to play an 04 team, yet we can give SEVERAL good reasons for them NOT to play.

One good reason is STRICLY to avoid hurting the confidence of older girls who lack the untrainable aspects of natural talent and ahtleticsm that will be better in the top tiers of a younger group playing up against 2nd and 3rd tiers of an older grouop.

In other words the best of the 04s have better natural talent and more ahtlecism on average than the average to good of the 03s but fall short against the best of the 03s who have the top talent and athleicism of that age group. The same applies to the 03s vs. the 02s and so on.

It is the equivalent of a professional middleweight fighter against an amateur heavyweight. Now take that same pro middleweight and put him in the ring with the pro heavyweight and you will quickly see why they have weight classes in the first place.

I said the exact samething a couple of posts ago to go99....they don't understand because they are only worried about their kids/team and not thinking about it from the other teams prerogative.

or you could do something revolutionary and try passing and moving the ball. If you win based on your athleticism you will not be winning long. The team I mentioned before was a very big and fast group of kids. Unfortunately it hurt them. As they chased the ball and over pursued they just left open space to be exploited with passing. They lost not because they didn't have talent or weren't athletic enough. They lost because their coach had failed to prepare them to play. And instead of taking the opportunity to say so and illustrate how they were beat with passing, he chose to yell at a bunch of kids. DTS didn't beat us because they were more athletic they beat us because they were better. The first time we played them the smallest girl on the field was so skilled our girls couldn't take her off the ball. Their passing was faster, sharper, and movement was much better. The next time felt a little closer but still soundly beat.

RoidRage wrote:

Shelby427 wrote:

Master Bates wrote:I think most people realize RASE are a really good team but not amazing. I still think the 03 coaches are a bit sad by not letting them play Gold, it's about Development, nothing else!

Let's take your argument that it is nothing but development.

Can the 03s get the exact same development without the 04s playing them? The answer is an obvious yes so you still have not given any good reason for an 03 team to play an 04 team, yet we can give SEVERAL good reasons for them NOT to play.

One good reason is STRICLY to avoid hurting the confidence of older girls who lack the untrainable aspects of natural talent and ahtleticsm that will be better in the top tiers of a younger group playing up against 2nd and 3rd tiers of an older grouop.

In other words the best of the 04s have better natural talent and more ahtlecism on average than the average to good of the 03s but fall short against the best of the 03s who have the top talent and athleicism of that age group. The same applies to the 03s vs. the 02s and so on.

It is the equivalent of a professional middleweight fighter against an amateur heavyweight. Now take that same pro middleweight and put him in the ring with the pro heavyweight and you will quickly see why they have weight classes in the first place.

I said the exact samething a couple of posts ago to go99....they don't understand because they are only worried about their kids/team and not thinking about it from the other teams prerogative.

Actually I just don't believe every coach is that concerned about the age or sex of their opponent. Many good coaches care more about style of play and level of competativeness. And the kids wouldn't even know or care until the parents tell them. I think many 02 teams would get a better benefit from SRSA than some of the 02 teams just because they play a better style of soccer.