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Post by Its Me 15/02/13, 10:38 pm

Soccer season is back. I'm going to ask this as a test question.

Penality kick
The attacking player takes the kick and keeper saved the ball.
The ball is deflected back to the kicker who shoots and scores.

What's the official restart?
1) Indirect Free kick for the defending team (because the keeper is a dead player)
2) Kick off
3) Corner Kick.
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Post by dadof3 15/02/13, 10:56 pm

I'll play...if the keeper touched the ball (at all), then the goal should stand...thus Kick off. If it hit the post and came back-no goal.


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Post by Guest 15/02/13, 11:20 pm

Kickoff

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Post by intrinsic 15/02/13, 11:39 pm

Good question.

Kickoff.

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Post by Honeybadger 16/02/13, 01:35 am

Kick Off

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Post by pitchdweller 16/02/13, 05:55 am

Very Happy


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Post by dadof3 16/02/13, 06:37 am

Definitely trickier...and a tougher call.

Here is my $.02...if forward 2 is in an "offsides" position WHEN THE SHOT WAS TAKEN, then offisdes restart upon her touch. Otherwise, she IS NOT offsides because of how the offsides rule is stated...it would have to be reflected upon and ruled that she was an option originally and had she been involved, then the offsides rule would have taken effect.

Here is my deeper explanation: If the player was "on" but moved into position to follow shot and wound up in an "offsides" position while ball is bouncing around-never touched again by an offensive player, then goal stands...I think this is ruled the same way as a GK deflection on a cross/shot and the player runs into a position that looks offsides when she plays it, but the player is ON at the time of the cross/shot, she can advance to an "offsides" position to follow the ball and be okay-thus walk in goals on crosses when GK misplays cross/shot.

*the word "offsides" is in quotes because the elements it takes to be offsides. She may not have been per the laws. If the player is not involved in the play, she is NOT offsides no matter where she stands (or sits). Thus the reason players can sit near the box on another player's break and not be ruled off...she was never involved in the play.
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Post by ekkeeper1 16/02/13, 07:23 am

If the PK is taken and the goalkeeper saves the shot, it is a live ball and the attacking player may shoot, if they score it is a goal followed by kick off. Now if it hit a post did not touch the goalkeeper then the same player shoots its a kick going the other way becuz player cant touch the ball twice.

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Post by ekkeeper1 16/02/13, 07:28 am

On the offside call if the player is in an onside position when the ball is played shot comes hits the cross bar then the ball bounces to player they would be onside. HOwever if the player was in an offside position at the time and plays it should be called offside. In the instance where the ball hits the cross bar and the player was on when initial ball was played in, at that point it cant be offside. I think a few people mentioned but also a player can be in an "offisde" position and not play the ball.

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Post by JeffM 16/02/13, 11:36 am

Its Me wrote:Soccer season is back. I'm going to ask this as a test question.

Penality kick
The attacking player takes the kick and keeper saved the ball.
The ball is deflected back to the kicker who shoots and scores.

What's the official restart?
1) Indirect Free kick for the defending team (because the keeper is a dead player)
2) Kick off
3) Corner Kick.

Why was the keeper dead? Who killed her? Have the authorities been notified? Why did the ref not allow a substitution, at least a field player? And what kind of pk shot is it that a dead keeper can make the save? Has the keeper been recognized for her dedication?

These threads never take on the real issues.
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Post by the7wolf 16/02/13, 12:24 pm

On the pk question, this is a redundant posing because the correct answer isn't in your choices. It's a goal. Unless an additional attacking player has entered the penalty area, is offside and interfering with play (i.e. blocking the keepers line of vision), etc. before the goal-scoring shot is taken, this is given as a goal every time. The law has been the same since 1922.


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Post by the7wolf 16/02/13, 12:27 pm



Again, redundant question. If the 2nd forward was onside when the initial shot was taken then its a goal. If offside when the shot was taken then the goal is disallowed. Unless you have additional facts like a fox ran on the field and distracted the goalkeeper with chocolates, then this is too black and white to even discuss.
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Post by pitchdweller 16/02/13, 01:35 pm

Very Happy


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Post by the7wolf 16/02/13, 01:40 pm



There's your clue right there.
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Post by Its Me 16/02/13, 04:54 pm

The correct answer to the first question is kickoff.

The ball did not hit or deflect off the goal post.

I asked the ref after the game why he blew the whistle and he said that the keeper is a "dead player" and the kicker can't touch the ball again. Of course, my reply was, "sir you got that call wrong. There is no such thing as a dead player." Then his AR looked at me and said he's correct the keeper is a dead player. So I realized at that time you can't argue with a statement like that.

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Post by Guest 16/02/13, 10:06 pm

It is very frustrating to lose when you do not deserve to lose. In the ref's defense, there are some bang bang plays that are very difficult to call correctly. On the other hand, there are far too many easy to see blown calls and some of them change the results of the match. I've seen a forward called offside for dribbling past the last defender (yes, the keeper was in goal). I've never seen a blown call questioned and reversed, with the exception of possession as to which side played the ball out and that reversal is rare. Am I the only one that finds winning, when you did not earn it, empty?

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Post by Its Me 17/02/13, 04:50 pm

Gumby wrote:It is very frustrating to lose when you do not deserve to lose. In the ref's defense, there are some bang bang plays that are very difficult to call correctly. On the other hand, there are far too many easy to see blown calls and some of them change the results of the match. I've seen a forward called offside for dribbling past the last defender (yes, the keeper was in goal). I've never seen a blown call questioned and reversed, with the exception of possession as to which side played the ball out and that reversal is rare. Am I the only one that finds winning, when you did not earn it, empty?

I was posing a question as to the correct call. After speaking with the two refs I started to second guess myself on the call.
This is a test question and a simple question.

Personally, I thought the referee called a great game. This was the only questionable call I had. Which is a major blown call.

And for the record I wasn't winning or whining! We won the game. Very Happy
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Post by upper95 17/02/13, 08:54 pm

For any free kick, including a penalty kick, or a corner kick, goal kick, or kick off, the player that takes the kick may not touch the ball again until it has been touched by another player.

A penalty kick off the keeper therefore may be played by the kicker - a goal should have been awarded.

Any referee that uses the phrase "dead player" in a game governed by FIFA rules will have his competency questioned by other referees and assessors.



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