we got cheated...

Soccer Po Boy wrote:

go99 wrote:Well if that helps you sleep at night then keep telling yourself that.

So, I assume you disagree?

That mid for RASE is probably the best 04 player

Think the "mid" comment was their midfield in general. It's a well blended midfield.

Master Bates wrote:Think the "mid" comment was their midfield in general. It's a well blended midfield.

Mine wasn't. I was talking about THE midfielder.

yep I disagree. When I said mid I actually meant the entire midfield. I think that's one of the things that makes RASE so difficult to deal with. There is no one person to dominate the team. It probably depends more on what your defense does. They take advantadge of or exploit what you give.

I can see how some parents would naturally disagree. I just don't think RASE would be "Elite" without her. You obviously think they would. It's just my opinion.

Given I am pretty new to the forum, I am curious about how SRSA came to be, especially compared to RASE. My understanding is that RASE is essentially the best players that LP could recruit from clubs around the Metroplex (my DD plays for Odyssey and our best player left over a year ago to play for RASE). In talking with non-RASE parents from a variety of different top 10 04 teams, the general consensus is that RASE is a compilation of the best players that could be recruited to play for LP. Is this how SRSA came to be or are they a team that started together early and developed together over time? Both teams, from what I have seen, play great soccer for their respective age groups.

Not wanting to debate or create drama, just curious as to the origins of the two teams and if they are similar or different . . .

Peak_Performance_Dad wrote:Given I am pretty new to the forum, I am curious about how SRSA came to be, especially compared to RASE. My understanding is that RASE is essentially the best players that LP could recruit from clubs around the Metroplex (my DD plays for Odyssey and our best player left over a year ago to play for RASE). In talking with non-RASE parents from a variety of different top 10 04 teams, the general consensus is that RASE is a compilation of the best players that could be recruited to play for LP. Is this how SRSA came to be or are they a team that started together early and developed together over time? Both teams, from what I have seen, play great soccer for their respective age groups.

Not wanting to debate or create drama, just curious as to the origins of the two teams and if they are similar or different . . .

Guess it depends what you mean by recruit? I would think its the same with Dalglish.

Master Bates wrote:

Peak_Performance_Dad wrote:Given I am pretty new to the forum, I am curious about how SRSA came to be, especially compared to RASE. My understanding is that RASE is essentially the best players that LP could recruit from clubs around the Metroplex (my DD plays for Odyssey and our best player left over a year ago to play for RASE). In talking with non-RASE parents from a variety of different top 10 04 teams, the general consensus is that RASE is a compilation of the best players that could be recruited to play for LP. Is this how SRSA came to be or are they a team that started together early and developed together over time? Both teams, from what I have seen, play great soccer for their respective age groups.

Not wanting to debate or create drama, just curious as to the origins of the two teams and if they are similar or different . . .

Guess it depends what you mean by recruit? I would think its the same with Dalglish.

For me, recruit would mean a coach or club proactively contacts and pursues a player to have them leave one team for their team. Often times, recruiting can include incentives and other benefits that might not be available to less qualified players (e.g. club fees waived, gas reimbursement, free stuff, etc). I am not saying this is what what done to create RASE, because I don't know.

In the end, my question would be is SRSA and/or RASE 04 more like the San Antonio Spurs or the Miami Heat -- both are great teams, just that their greatness came together differently (i.e. recruiting the best vs. system and player development).

Again, my intent isn't to stir the pot (there are lots of others out there for that) - it is genuine curiosity.

Peak_Performance_Dad wrote:

Master Bates wrote:

Peak_Performance_Dad wrote:Given I am pretty new to the forum, I am curious about how SRSA came to be, especially compared to RASE. My understanding is that RASE is essentially the best players that LP could recruit from clubs around the Metroplex (my DD plays for Odyssey and our best player left over a year ago to play for RASE). In talking with non-RASE parents from a variety of different top 10 04 teams, the general consensus is that RASE is a compilation of the best players that could be recruited to play for LP. Is this how SRSA came to be or are they a team that started together early and developed together over time? Both teams, from what I have seen, play great soccer for their respective age groups.

Not wanting to debate or create drama, just curious as to the origins of the two teams and if they are similar or different . . .

Guess it depends what you mean by recruit? I would think its the same with Dalglish.

For me, recruit would mean a coach or club proactively contacts and pursues a player to have them leave one team for their team. Often times, recruiting can include incentives and other benefits that might not be available to less qualified players (e.g. club fees waived, gas reimbursement, free stuff, etc). I am not saying this is what what done to create RASE, because I don't know.

In the end, my question would be is SRSA and/or RASE 04 more like the San Antonio Spurs or the Miami Heat -- both are great teams, just that their greatness came together differently (i.e. recruiting the best vs. system and player development).

Again, my intent isn't to stir the pot (there are lots of others out there for that) - it is genuine curiosity.

As for SRSA two teams came together about 3 yrs ago, of those girls around 10 or so are still there. It was a group of good players who have pushed each other to get better. Their practices are awesome!

dd has always been with the coach before they were LP (actually before there were 04's in academy)and several players were there as we came over to lp with the coach too. I believe a couple more may have come in to LW from rec. There are some that came from different clubs or LP teams but I think they all came over on their own. As far as I know there are no incentives to anybody other than witty sidline banter which I have plenty of. Man I would take one of those gas cards though

go99 wrote:dd has always been with the coach before they were LP (actually before there were 04's in academy)and several players were there as we came over to lp with the coach too. I believe a couple more may have come in to LW from rec. There are some that came from different clubs or LP teams but I think they all came over on their own. As far as I know there are no incentives to anybody other than witty sidline banter which I have plenty of. Man I would take one of those gas cards though

The Gas cards aren't anything, you should feel the Love from the coach. That's where it really is!!!

if I didn't think the practice and coach were special and worth it I certianly wouldn't be making that hella drive from Dallas. We have been making way before they were fancy pants RASE

but as far as I know there are no perks and no promises.

Players also aren't really recruited for RASE.. they just kind of show up! Easiest job ever for LW

The Real Decoy wrote:Players also aren't really recruited for RASE.. they just kind of show up! Easiest job ever for LW

Not always the case...

go99 wrote:if I didn't think the practice and coach were special and worth it I certianly wouldn't be making that hella drive from Dallas. We have been making way before they were fancy pants RASE

Curious, what kind of commute is it time-wise. Wondering how much would be too much. We have a pretty long one ourselves.

kixR4Adults2 wrote:

The Real Decoy wrote:Players also aren't really recruited for RASE.. they just kind of show up! Easiest job ever for LW

Not always the case...

Example?

Master Bates wrote:

kixR4Adults2 wrote:

The Real Decoy wrote:Players also aren't really recruited for RASE.. they just kind of show up! Easiest job ever for LW

Not always the case...

Example?

Didn't the "dalglish sweeper" graduate to RASE? That's what the word is...
And all of the good coaches scout and recruit...why not BUILD your squad and develope top talent...a bunch of wins and tournament championships looks great on the resume....

coaches are just coaches not magicians. Even good ones. And if a coach tells you he can turn your DD into a player, he just told you his first lie. The talent must be there. The one thing I would say to coaches is "times are changing" The parent of today is different than before. There are more parents with a background in soccer and an ability to recognize "good" soccer. Play good soccer and parents will find you. Just kick, run, and win and it will be less so. LW has the easiest recruiting job ever. The team plays well, people see it and they find their way out. But as far a going out to pursue a kid. There are probably only a handful that would be worth the trouble and if they aren't there to learn our style of play they would be more disruptive than helpful. IMHO

oh and the drive depends on traffic but 45 min or so

coming from someone that truly does not understand the RASE phenom...I thought or was told or something that the RASE team was a compilation of the BEST 04 players from several LP teams. So what happens when those players go select, as in the 03s? Do they go back to their regular teams or is there a "super" team like the RASE team put together to compete?
Just curious how this will work if that is truly how it is being done.

soccrnut wrote:coming from someone that truly does not understand the RASE phenom...I thought or was told or something that the RASE team was a compilation of the BEST 04 players from several LP teams. So what happens when those players go select, as in the 03s? Do they go back to their regular teams or is there a "super" team like the RASE team put together to compete?
Just curious how this will work if that is truly how it is being done.

No, I don't believe RASE is composed of players from different LP teams. RASE has its set rosters along with Dalglish, Owen, Redknapp etc, etc.

PDub wrote:

soccrnut wrote:coming from someone that truly does not understand the RASE phenom...I thought or was told or something that the RASE team was a compilation of the BEST 04 players from several LP teams. So what happens when those players go select, as in the 03s? Do they go back to their regular teams or is there a "super" team like the RASE team put together to compete?
Just curious how this will work if that is truly how it is being done.

No, I don't believe RASE is composed of players from different LP teams. RASE has its set rosters along with Dalglish, Owen, Redknapp etc, etc.

Oh ok then...it was told by a coach at LP once that they were sending the star players from the team to RASE to try out and that the RASE team shares the players with the original team.
thx for the clarification...not the only "misunderstanding" from that coach...

Thanks for the insight everyone. From what I have read, it looks like SRSA is a combination of 2 teams who have played together for numerous years. From what I read about RASE, it looks like it is a grouping of talented girls from all over DFW whose parents are willing to travel for their development - is this true of SRSA as well?

My observation is that there is some fluidity among the top LP teams come tournament and league time. For example, I saw the best player on LP Barnes playing with RASE in TGPL this Spring for at least one game. Because RASE was playing against 03s, it was totally legal. I am not sure if she plays on both teams consistently but I have observed some movement among the top LP players on Dalglish and Barnes. Either way, RASE is a strong, fun team to watch. It will be interesting to see if they stay together come select or move to top ENCL teams closer to their respective home bases. I guess SRSA doesn't have to worry about this . . . or do they?

there is no ECNL at the beginning of select so no reason to move although I have heard that said. and the core of the RASE girls have been there for a number of years. As far as the traveling part goes I have been traveling since the beginning. Just went with a friend because rec parents weren't friendly. The coaching was worth the trip so we stayed and continue to make it. But there was no RASE or even LP at that time. But SRSA was a open team for the best talent. They had open practice and bringing in girls just like everyone else. If the core is still there it is because the core was good enough to stay. But any girl who wanted to be on SRSA could have gone to throw her hat in. The open practices were posted on this forum. Seems like a simple formula. Play good soccer you attract talent, the more talent you get the more you attract.

go99 wrote:there is no ECNL at the beginning of select so no reason to move although I have heard that said. and the core of the RASE girls have been there for a number of years. As far as the traveling part goes I have been traveling since the beginning. Just went with a friend because rec parents weren't friendly. The coaching was worth the trip so we stayed and continue to make it. But there was no RASE or even LP at that time. But SRSA was a open team for the best talent. They had open practice and bringing in girls just like everyone else. If the core is still there it is because the core was good enough to stay. But any girl who wanted to be on SRSA could have gone to throw her hat in. The open practices were posted on this forum. Seems like a simple formula. Play good soccer you attract talent, the more talent you get the more you attract.

Better watch it, someone's gonna throw an anti-trust lawsuit down SRSA/RASE way

soccrnut wrote:

PDub wrote:

soccrnut wrote:coming from someone that truly does not understand the RASE phenom...I thought or was told or something that the RASE team was a compilation of the BEST 04 players from several LP teams. So what happens when those players go select, as in the 03s? Do they go back to their regular teams or is there a "super" team like the RASE team put together to compete?
Just curious how this will work if that is truly how it is being done.

No, I don't believe RASE is composed of players from different LP teams. RASE has its set rosters along with Dalglish, Owen, Redknapp etc, etc.

Oh ok then...it was told by a coach at LP once that they were sending the star players from the team to RASE to try out and that the RASE team shares the players with the original team.
thx for the clarification...not the only "misunderstanding" from that coach...

Your coach wasn't coaching last weekend and had roster issues was he? Ah...good times; I miss that thread.

Interesting conversation and one I am learning a lot from this. How are players added and removed from a team like RASE? Total hypothetical (seriously, dd isn't there yet) but if you wanted her to be on RASE is that situation where you can take her to a practice and if she's good enough the coach will ask you to come back? Are there more players than game roster spots and some kids are reserves who don't play in games while they work on improvement? Do coaches for RASE cut kids?