I think we are safe - D1 Predictions

Okey Dokey,

Choose your poison people! This may be the only slate of games played this week if the rain happens this weekend.

Solar Chelsea vs Andromeda is a tough one to pick this week.  Looks as if Solar Chelsea has reenforced their roster with a few dual rostered players from the ECNL team.

soccermom004 wrote: Solar Chelsea vs Andromeda is a tough one to pick this week.  Looks as if Solar Chelsea has reenforced their roster with a few dual rostered players from the ECNL team.

Man, oh man.  Not only are these girls double rostered but their stats show they played every ECNL game thus far plus they score/assist often. So, is this the reason Solar season has been so stellar?

Rostered or CPP?

Rostered. At least on the gotsoccer roster. Not sure about a North Texas Roster.

backofthenet wrote:Rostered or CPP?

Double rostered.  Not sure if they plan on also [ab]using the CPP

Solar C does not use CPP players

InaB wrote:Solar C does not use CPP players

Great! Do they use the double rostered ECNL players?

Maggie, dual rostered players are allowed, Sting Brown, Sting Parker, Solar Elite all have dual rostered players, to name a few. Some teams have used both dual rostered players and CPP players. Solar C used no CPP or other players during its first five games. This has all been discussed in another thread.

InaB wrote:Maggie, dual rostered players are allowed, Sting Brown, Sting Parker, Solar Elite all have dual rostered players, to name a few. Some teams have used both dual rostered players and CPP players. Solar C used no CPP or other players during its first five games. This has all been discussed in another thread.

Sorry, I guess I missed that thread but the subject stands to be re-addressed. I wasn't accusing Solar C of breaking the rules, but wanted to highlight that the girls they selected to double roster are 'impact' players on their true team, Solar ECNL which currently 1st in the nation according to YS Ranking. I do not see how this is any different than using CPP. I'm sure these girls attend all of the Solar C practices and games?

Hi Maggie, no problem. These girls attend as many games and practices as other dual rostered players on other teams.

A simple comparison shows there are 4 players on both Solar Chelsea roster and the Solar ECNL team... the ECNL top 2 scorers and the goalie are among the 4...

Again there is nothing against the rules for this so i am not sure why the drama. They are listed on the roster and they obviously play both as people have seen them in the LH games and then also they are playing in all the ECNL games

I actually look more favorably on this situation then a CPP situation as at least they are taking up a roster spot and are not just loaned out mercenaries for certain games.

If Hopkins was able to convince these girls to play both then more power to him and i don't see any difference in that and going out and recruiting new talent to the team.

InaB, you sure on Sting teams and Dual? Not sure on Brown, but fairly certain on Parker there are no DR players.

Hi Back, I am not 'on' Sting teams per se, just explaining that there are other teams that do. I am not trying to offend anyone or any team. :-)

I actually prefer the dual rostered player of the CPP player but what I can't figure out is. Why dual roster the players that are obviously playing a lot on ECNL over a player that hasn't seen much play time. It would be a good time to get the lower part of the ECNL roster some time in a game situation.

I think that dual rostered players who attend weekly practice are legitimate teammates,  but how often does that happen?

CPP and Dual Rostered players are fine with me and I challenge any parent who would would prefer team relegation to implementing a temporary DR and CPP solution to maintain your position. Parents who whine about temp players are the first to bail when a team relegates.

sportsnerd wrote:A simple comparison shows there are 4 players on both Solar Chelsea roster and the Solar ECNL team... the ECNL top 2 scorers and the goalie are among the 4...

Again there is nothing against the rules for this so i am not sure why the drama. They are listed on the roster and they obviously play both as people have seen them in the LH games and then also they are playing in all the ECNL games

I actually look more favorably on this situation then a CPP situation as at least they are taking up a roster spot and are not just loaned out mercenaries for certain games.

If Hopkins was able to convince these girls to play both then more power to him and i don't see any difference in that and going out and recruiting new talent to the team.

There is nothing against the rules for CPP either, but it doesn't seem sporting. Why would Hopkins & Pulp select ringers to double roster? Did these girls suit up for the less challenging games or do they just roll out when a W isn't assured? This isn't similar to recruiting new talent at all. First, the girls aren't truly committed to the team as Ina B clearly stated "These girls attend as many games and practices as other dual rostered players on other teams." So I would assume they do not attend practice but do play when needed. If things get really desperate they could always resort to a few more via CPP. Second, it has nothing to do with Hopkins prowess on persuading girls to play for his team. Rather, it is about a club showing how all of their teams are awesome! Slight overkill in my opinion. Pulp and Solca already show for the club. Let Hopkins (Brown, Parker, etc.) earn his (their) spot(s).

Again, cherry picking the top players off the top team in the nation doesn't seem honorable. However, as people continue to point out, these are the rules. LH changed them once, maybe if we continue to highlight how this system is broken it might be fixed.

Obviously these players have a choice so to say Hopkins can just go cherry pick any talent he wants is not necessarily true, he (or someone at the club) has to convince these players that there is value in playing these games....

to LH the system is not broken in this instance, the players are on a roster just like any other player on a team.

Relating to CPP, LH does have a rule that you can only CPP down 1 player per game, but i guess they dont consider ECNL playing down (not sure if you will ever get them to commit to the notion that ECNL is better then LH D1... its not in their best interests to ever admit that) so thus you can CPP 3 ECNL over to a D1 team.

Everyone can talk about the honorable thing, or spirit of the rule all they want... but as long as the rules are set this way i see no issue with the team using what is given to them... Like i said before, i am not a fan of CPP in its current form and think the whole thing is wrong unless you set it up to only be able to play up (either in age or Division)

Solar Hopkins or ,any other team  for that matter, using dual rostered players,......I see nothing wrong with it.  The rosters are out there, nothing is being hidden. I asuume all other players knew the ECNL player would be on the team.before signing.  Dual roster is a completly different animal than CPP.
CPP is the one that can blindside a rostered player who would/should be getting the minutes that the CPP player takes up.

Chasing minnows as the whales swim by... Guess what kids? They can still CPP!

I still want to know is, are these CPP considered playing up or down?

I'm not so concerned about a ECNL player here and there ... You (with a few exceptions) mark them just like any other player. The big issue is that these players are replacing the bottom 2-3 (weaker) starters on a roster, which amplifies the team's performance ... Weaker players generally loose matches...

Judging from what I saw the last 2 weeks, solar Ch needed the 3 Players- they barely made it their easier part of their schedule...and club Solar agrees. Now if they add 3 CPP to their 3-4 dual roster, they'll stand a chance going forward...

Now for predictions...

Sting north over west
FCD over aztecs
SG over DTN
Mustangs over Sting Pat
Ferretti beats Brown
Andro over Solar Ch...

InaB wrote:Maggie, dual rostered players are allowed, Sting Brown, Sting Parker, Solar Elite all have dual rostered players, to name a few. Some teams have used both dual rostered players and CPP players. Solar C used no CPP or other players during its first five games. This has all been discussed in another thread.

Are you saying Solar Hopkins hasn't used dual roster players this year?

Hopkins used a dual rostered keeper in the first game and one dual rostered player in last week's game. Other than that no dual rostered or cpp players have played in other games.

Packrabbit wrote:Chasing minnows as the whales swim by... Guess what kids? They can still CPP!

I still want to know is, are these CPP considered playing up or down?

I'm not so concerned about a ECNL player here and there ... You (with a few exceptions) mark them just like any other player. The big issue is that these players are replacing the bottom 2-3 (weaker) starters on a roster, which amplifies the team's performance ... Weaker players generally loose matches...

Judging from what I saw the last 2 weeks, solar Ch needed the 3 Players- they barely made it their easier part of their schedule...and club Solar agrees. Now if they add 3 CPP to their 3-4 dual roster, they'll stand a chance going forward...

Whaaaat?! How'd that get there?! Apologies,  Coach PR hired his step-brother- PickerRabbit to help me with the coaches correspondence... This CPP mess really upsets him... Coach PR's original post read...

"The last 2 weeks have marked the end of Solar Hopkins easier schedule; with all increased CPP activity, Club Solar probably thought it prudent to even the playing field, and safeguard the team's impressive progress this year. After all, it would be inequitable for any team to get relegated bc of other teams use of CPP."

My apologies to Solar team for the clerical error.

Packrabbit wrote:
Now for predictions...

Sting north over west
FCD over aztecs
SG over DTN
Mustangs over Sting Pat
Ferretti beats Brown
Andro over Solar Ch...

What hasn't been mentioned is why would the ECNL coaches allow their D1 counterparts to borrow their top players? There is always an injury risk when you play. As stated earlier in this thread, sure a player that is at the bottom of the ECNL roster may make sense but why would a top of the (ECNL) roster player be either DR or CPP'd.