Team Bye vs Club Bye

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thunderlipz wrote:Same ol Same ol BS, nobody gets anywhere in NTX or nationally for that matter, especially when you propose an alternative to the absolutely hideous system we employ to develop our youth athletes. All on this forum that are part of the problem will be quick to shoot holes in any idea you come up with because it doesn’t suite there elitest attitudes and egos, “system worked for my kid” because I played the games and politics and was willing to drop $10k(some pay more)a year on soccer. Funny thing is, if you saved that $$$ your kid could have a free ride on your dime, a very minuscule % of kids get full rides to college for soccer anyways, a small handful of colleges actually throw any money of significance at girls soccer. All these so called scholarships that ECNL runs around and brags about the girls getting are 1/4 and 1/2 rides, don’t even  cover room and board, parents continue to pay a fortune for college.

I have an idea, instead of shooting holes in ideas, let’s brainstorm together and figure out a system that works and helps identify talent. After all, the more talent that chooses soccer, the more exciting it becomes and the more popular it will be. As the sport grows colleges will have to throw more dollars at it. The number one focuse should be identification of talent, then developing it and projecting into the future, pay to play system drives talent away to basketball, baseball, football and volleyball(girls) etc..... AAU isn’t worried about making money off parents, they have sponsors for that. Stop hating and be apart of the solution!

Oh and by the way, youth soccer in Italy and the Netherlands isn’t on a pay to play system like we are. They take kids at a very young age and pay there way, the less fortunate in most cases always get seen and developed. They missed the World Cup because the competition in UEFA is that stout, not because they aren’t developing talent.

SoccerSuckers wrote:Put soccer back into the community and schools. Parents engaged and we will right the ship from decline. Soccer can be the sport that America can be proud. This will renergize and put the talent back into the sport.

Lefty wrote:

thunderlipz wrote:Same ol Same ol BS, nobody gets anywhere in NTX or nationally for that matter, especially when you propose an alternative to the absolutely hideous system we employ to develop our youth athletes. All on this forum that are part of the problem will be quick to shoot holes in any idea you come up with because it doesn’t suite there elitest attitudes and egos, “system worked for my kid” because I played the games and politics and was willing to drop $10k(some pay more)a year on soccer. Funny thing is, if you saved that $$$ your kid could have a free ride on your dime, a very minuscule % of kids get full rides to college for soccer anyways, a small handful of colleges actually throw any money of significance at girls soccer. All these so called scholarships that ECNL runs around and brags about the girls getting are 1/4 and 1/2 rides, don’t even  cover room and board, parents continue to pay a fortune for college.

I have an idea, instead of shooting holes in ideas, let’s brainstorm together and figure out a system that works and helps identify talent. After all, the more talent that chooses soccer, the more exciting it becomes and the more popular it will be. As the sport grows colleges will have to throw more dollars at it. The number one focuse should be identification of talent, then developing it and projecting into the future, pay to play system drives talent away to basketball, baseball, football and volleyball(girls) etc..... AAU isn’t worried about making money off parents, they have sponsors for that. Stop hating and be apart of the solution!

Oh and by the way, youth soccer in Italy and the Netherlands isn’t on a pay to play system like we are. They take kids at a very young age and pay there way, the less fortunate in most cases always get seen and developed. They missed the World Cup because the competition in UEFA is that stout, not because they aren’t developing talent.

Agree our US system sucks, but don't think that has much to do with the US not qualifying for the World Cup.  

It has more to do with the level of male athlete that chooses to play soccer in the US.  Even with our pathetic system, if half of the kids who end up starting in the NBA as point guards or in the NFL as defensive backs had chosen soccer at age 6 we have a very different result with the US men's team.

It has worked well for the women's team to date as they tended to get a higher level of athlete choosing soccer than the men's team has been able to get.

thunderlipz wrote:

Lefty wrote:

thunderlipz wrote:Same ol Same ol BS, nobody gets anywhere in NTX or nationally for that matter, especially when you propose an alternative to the absolutely hideous system we employ to develop our youth athletes. All on this forum that are part of the problem will be quick to shoot holes in any idea you come up with because it doesn’t suite there elitest attitudes and egos, “system worked for my kid” because I played the games and politics and was willing to drop $10k(some pay more)a year on soccer. Funny thing is, if you saved that $$$ your kid could have a free ride on your dime, a very minuscule % of kids get full rides to college for soccer anyways, a small handful of colleges actually throw any money of significance at girls soccer. All these so called scholarships that ECNL runs around and brags about the girls getting are 1/4 and 1/2 rides, don’t even  cover room and board, parents continue to pay a fortune for college.

I have an idea, instead of shooting holes in ideas, let’s brainstorm together and figure out a system that works and helps identify talent. After all, the more talent that chooses soccer, the more exciting it becomes and the more popular it will be. As the sport grows colleges will have to throw more dollars at it. The number one focuse should be identification of talent, then developing it and projecting into the future, pay to play system drives talent away to basketball, baseball, football and volleyball(girls) etc..... AAU isn’t worried about making money off parents, they have sponsors for that. Stop hating and be apart of the solution!

Oh and by the way, youth soccer in Italy and the Netherlands isn’t on a pay to play system like we are. They take kids at a very young age and pay there way, the less fortunate in most cases always get seen and developed. They missed the World Cup because the competition in UEFA is that stout, not because they aren’t developing talent.

Agree our US system sucks, but don't think that has much to do with the US not qualifying for the World Cup.  

It has more to do with the level of male athlete that chooses to play soccer in the US.  Even with our pathetic system, if half of the kids who end up starting in the NBA as point guards or in the NFL as defensive backs had chosen soccer at age 6 we have a very different result with the US men's team.

It has worked well for the women's team to date as they tended to get a higher level of athlete choosing soccer than the men's team has been able to get.

I agree, politics is why the USMNT didn’t qualify. Now at least the new regime has recognized this and is playing our younger players. The men’s pool has a wealth of young talent, I’m just saying it could be more if we wanted to be. The current system isn’t designed to appeal to our inner city youth. As for the women’s side, it is my opinion that the rest of the world is catching up very fast, USSF has to Figure it out, having 90 platforms that cost a ridiculous amount of money isn’t the way.

thunderlipz wrote:
I agree, politics is why the USMNT didn’t qualify. Now at least the new regime has recognized this and is playing our younger players. The men’s pool has a wealth of young talent, I’m just saying it could be more if we wanted to be.

thunderlipz wrote:The current system isn’t designed to appeal to our inner city youth.

thunderlipz wrote:As for the women’s side, it is my opinion that the rest of the world is catching up very fast, USSF has to Figure it out, having 90 platforms that cost a ridiculous amount of money isn’t the way.

earbucket wrote:Fully agree on the catch up, which is one of the reasons why USSF implemented the DA on the women's side.

earbucket wrote:

thunderlipz wrote:
I agree, politics is why the USMNT didn’t qualify. Now at least the new regime has recognized this and is playing our younger players. The men’s pool has a wealth of young talent, I’m just saying it could be more if we wanted to be.

I'm confused.  Does the current wealth of the men's pool have anything to do with DA?  Or is it in spite of?  Or is it just blind luck?

I'm confused about the politics too?  Were there better players that weren't on the roster?  It seems to me it was a group effort of coaching incompetence and uninspired play.  

This link provides plenty of background on US Men's failure Own Goal

thunderlipz wrote:The current system isn’t designed to appeal to our inner city youth.

Is there a system that would appeal?  Would shoe company subsidies like in AAU basketball be a better system?  At least DISD has a futsal program for elementary schools.  That's a program that can scratch the itch.

thunderlipz wrote:As for the women’s side, it is my opinion that the rest of the world is catching up very fast, USSF has to Figure it out, having 90 platforms that cost a ridiculous amount of money isn’t the way.

Fully agree on the catch up, which is one of the reasons why USSF implemented the DA on the women's side.

thunderlipz wrote:

earbucket wrote:

thunderlipz wrote:
I agree, politics is why the USMNT didn’t qualify. Now at least the new regime has recognized this and is playing our younger players. The men’s pool has a wealth of young talent, I’m just saying it could be more if we wanted to be.

I'm confused.  Does the current wealth of the men's pool have anything to do with DA?  Or is it in spite of?  Or is it just blind luck?

I'm confused about the politics too?  Were there better players that weren't on the roster?  It seems to me it was a group effort of coaching incompetence and uninspired play.  

This link provides plenty of background on US Men's failure Own Goal

thunderlipz wrote:The current system isn’t designed to appeal to our inner city youth.

Is there a system that would appeal?  Would shoe company subsidies like in AAU basketball be a better system?  At least DISD has a futsal program for elementary schools.  That's a program that can scratch the itch.

thunderlipz wrote:As for the women’s side, it is my opinion that the rest of the world is catching up very fast, USSF has to Figure it out, having 90 platforms that cost a ridiculous amount of money isn’t the way.

Fully agree on the catch up, which is one of the reasons why USSF implemented the DA on the women's side.

Of course DA on the boys side has something to do with it, appealing to the inner city youth would drastically improve the talent pool in my opinion. As for the politics, you tell me why our young talent never got a chance to play in WCQ. I think our men’s team that traveled to France and drew the world champions just before the cup started told us all we needed to know right? Where were 95% of those players in Qualifing matches. All we hear is oh they aren’t ready, hmmmm, they looked ready when they actually got a shot. Instead we fielded an old team that your right was not inspired and didn’t believe in the system.

I don’t think DA on the girls side was a terrible idea, it ads much needed structure. What I have a problem with is these people at the top can’t work together because of politics, ego’s and money. Now we have multiple leagues that claim they are the top league, we have 20 different pay to play development leagues and no one benefits from it except the clubs and the league politicians. DA was suppose to be more affordable, but as most of the clubs always do they figure out a way to gouge the overzealous parent for it. I’m saying let’s take the power from the clubs and leagues, give it to who really matters, the talent. Would be different if the clubs were taking the millions in profit per year and investing it in say free camps for the inner city youth and seminars for parents on how to get your kids seen by the decision makers.

thunderlipz wrote: I’m saying let’s take the power from the clubs and leagues, give it to who really matters, the talent.

DeltaTauChi wrote:

thunderlipz wrote: I’m saying let’s take the power from the clubs and leagues, give it to who really matters, the talent.

How do you propose to make that power switch happen?

Only two ways that I'm aware to make it happen?  Either mandate it, or incentivize it.

Mandate:  Who mandates it?  Under what authority do they mandate it?  What are the consequences for those that ignore the mandate?

Incentive:  Is there an incentive other than money that will work?  Assuming there isn't, then where does the money come from to make it a worthwhile incentive?

Lefty wrote:

thunderlipz wrote:

earbucket wrote:

thunderlipz wrote:
I agree, politics is why the USMNT didn’t qualify. Now at least the new regime has recognized this and is playing our younger players. The men’s pool has a wealth of young talent, I’m just saying it could be more if we wanted to be.

I'm confused.  Does the current wealth of the men's pool have anything to do with DA?  Or is it in spite of?  Or is it just blind luck?

I'm confused about the politics too?  Were there better players that weren't on the roster?  It seems to me it was a group effort of coaching incompetence and uninspired play.  

This link provides plenty of background on US Men's failure Own Goal

thunderlipz wrote:The current system isn’t designed to appeal to our inner city youth.

Is there a system that would appeal?  Would shoe company subsidies like in AAU basketball be a better system?  At least DISD has a futsal program for elementary schools.  That's a program that can scratch the itch.

thunderlipz wrote:As for the women’s side, it is my opinion that the rest of the world is catching up very fast, USSF has to Figure it out, having 90 platforms that cost a ridiculous amount of money isn’t the way.

Fully agree on the catch up, which is one of the reasons why USSF implemented the DA on the women's side.

Of course DA on the boys side has something to do with it, appealing to the inner city youth would drastically improve the talent pool in my opinion. As for the politics, you tell me why our young talent never got a chance to play in WCQ. I think our men’s team that traveled to France and drew the world champions just before the cup started told us all we needed to know right? Where were 95% of those players in Qualifing matches. All we hear is oh they aren’t ready, hmmmm, they looked ready when they actually got a shot. Instead we fielded an old team that your right was not inspired and didn’t believe in the system.

I don’t think DA on the girls side was a terrible idea, it ads much needed structure. What I have a problem with is these people at the top can’t work together because of politics, ego’s and money. Now we have multiple leagues that claim they are the top league, we have 20 different pay to play development leagues and no one benefits from it except the clubs and the league politicians. DA was suppose to be more affordable, but as most of the clubs always do they figure out a way to gouge the overzealous parent for it. I’m saying let’s take the power from the clubs and leagues, give it to who really matters, the talent. Would be different if the clubs were taking the millions in profit per year and investing it in say free camps for the inner city youth and seminars for parents on how to get your kids seen by the decision makers.

What about all the tremendous athletes and potential talent in the smaller cities and rural areas?

Much of the talent on NFL and NBA rosters comes from those areas.

Big Ern wrote:(lipzy)

"we have 20 different pay to play development leagues and no one benefits from it except the clubs and the league politicians."

No one huh ... seems a little "narrow minded" now doesn't it?  What about all of those kids that are being offered scholarships and those that are being invited to NT camps.  Or those that are now playing on NTs?  How about those that are simply becoming better players participating in those leagues?

And who are these "league politicians" you speak of?  Never heard of or seen one of them fellas --

DA was suppose to be more affordable

Am I crazy or are every kid that is participating have dues discounted relative to those kids playing with your kid(s) (some more than half)?

I’m saying let’s take the power from the clubs and leagues, give it to who really matters, the talent.

What power?  You aren't referring to the power given to them in form of $ when you hire them to train your kid(s) are ya?  And what the hell power do you think a league has?  C'mon now Son.

if the clubs were taking the millions in profit per year

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investing it in say free camps for the inner city youth and seminars for parents on how to get your kids seen by the decision makers

Actually love this (I mean, who wouldn't), buuut we've already tried that. Remember, you can't disregard for the 'cultural aspect' -- The majority of those kids don't care and aren't interested ... soccer isn't on TV here, dad didn't play, and by God, it just isn't "cool/tight/rad" etc.  And as has already been established, many of those that actually are interested are indeed playing for free on the boys side, and are either discounted or scholarshipped on the girls side.

And by decision makers, do you mean college coaches and NT scouts?  If so, ECNL and GDA offer those platforms for these kids ... seen it with my own three eyes.  If she's good enough, believe you me Sir, those clubs will find a way to get her on the roster.

thunderlipz wrote:
I don’t have all the answers, that’s for sure. I do have some suggestions though.

I think USSF could do either or both and make it work. They could definitely mandate it, throw out the politics and get the two sanctioning bodies on board and penalize clubs that don’t conform by refusing to register their teams. This would drive those players to clubs that are following anything mandated by USSF, their already suppose to be doing it for DA, each club is suppose to have a certain % of dollars going to scholarships, but when they don’t enforce the rules, the clubs take full advantage. Fear of clubs bailing on DA and going back to ECNL is what causes this. Precisely why USSF/DA should have worked with ECNL when all this rolled out. Made total sense for them to combine and have one league that dominated, however ECNL was profiting way to much and somebody was getting way to rich to do that.

thunderlipz wrote:Incentives are also a great idea and could be handed out by big sponsors such as Nike, Adidas, and many more. The big corporations would love for soccer to be growing at a fast pace in the US, especially Adidas. They took a stab at Basketball and failed, why not soccer? Nobody can tell me that the Adidas and Nike’s of the world aren’t paying these big clubs to wear their brand, they sure don’t pass that buck do they? At some point one of these entities has to give back instead of constantly taking from the game.

sonnyspurs07 wrote:But does the NFL, MLB, NBA or NHL pay a single dime to develop their own players here?

5050Ball wrote:Man, 9 pages of crap morphed from a simple question about league byes.

We've got 2 NTX teams getting ready to battle for a Natty at 11 and 1.  

Think I'll put down the keyboard and go watch these kids leave it all on the field.

SoccerSuckers wrote:Rural America has tons of Dairy Queens w that soft serve. Put soccer back into schools nationwide communities will foot the bill Pops that owns 13 Dairy Queen Franchises will fork out the soft serve ice cream for the big game.

The diary queen mascot will be passing out free soft serve cones for purchased tickets. East Texas boy Dempsey from Nac loves his Dairy Queen soft serve w pops.