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go99 wrote:

Soccer Po Boy wrote:

go99 wrote:I think we will play in a couple of weeks. And really have no idea what his reasons were last time. Maybe he too thought a championship game for 8 yr olds was silly. Maybe he didn't realize it was such a big deal to all the other teams. But whatever it was, coach lee doesn't run his decisions and thought processes by me. Had he done that it wouldn't have been an issue because we wouldn't have been in that league. Your turn. Why is everyone so bent out of shape and so concerned about the 2 teams playing each other. Can't say I have spent 1 second thinking about who the other teams play. Just seems odd to me. Maybe we should play a closed game with no posted results and sell tickets. Seems to be alot of interest. KACHING$$

Of course there is interest from people from the outside. People make decisions about where their DD and $ will go for soccer training each day. I know you are blinded because of what side of the fence you are on, but if you really think about the reasons, it's very clear. But who knows, next season you might be on the other side of the fence, and see it the other way.

Guess I didn't realize there was a fence. I really don't think the people with interest in that game are concerned about where their DD will train and if winning of losing the dalglish game is the deciding factor then please don't come out to RASE. Are you sure its just not a desire to see a group of 9yr olds and their coach fall?

It's actually the opposite, I would love to see the underdog succeed. Do I think they would? NO. But they at least deserve a chance. They have earned it. Which is exactly what the Dalglish parents think.

silentparent wrote:

go99 wrote:So you are suggesting that I should move her from her original academy coach because you see warning signs? But based on your view I can't. Because no coach can take her. If they did they would be a poacher coach taking the next big thing. What you are suggesting is that teams cannot take in new players and once you are on it you are set or stuck depending on which side of the fence you are on. the girls that chose to come to rase coach lee should have outright rejected them and turned them away. I would love to hear that conversation with your coach. "wow you are a great player but I can't use you here. We are a closed team and you should stay with tour original coach"

Anybody know how many of the lets say top 5 teams in select are built from the same exact kids as lets say u7?

you are obtuse. Coaches that are constantly poaching are building a team of parts to win NOW. IMO in academy, i want a coach to teach my kid the game not be on the prowl for the next big thing to satisfy their ego.....

and I contend that he has taught my daughter the game. I would contend that he has taught her to a better game of soccer than your coach. Its not kids kicking the ball hard and running fast. They move the ball around the field better than most 04 teams. In fact I think most unbiased observers would say RASE plays very good soccer. Thats coaching not poaching the play on the field should speak for itself. infact when the topic came up we can't find anyone on the team who was actually recruited away from their team. Of course they could be lying and not want everyone to know they were a highly sought after LW recruit.

Soccer Po Boy wrote:

Master Bates wrote:

Soccer Po Boy wrote:

go99 wrote:If we have any rase parents that would jump ship because we lost to dalglish, I would prefer to see them jump ship now. Hell I would match fix a game to get that type of parent to leave now. Rase is not immortal and losses are part of competitive sports. I think you don't understand rase parents at all or the dynamic between the 2 teams and the coach. So no matter how much you stir the pot lw either will or won't play that game. A bigger pot to stir is the fact that i dont think any of the other teams will beat Dalglish. Better try this weekend while the coach is away.

Since you think I'm wrong about the reason that these 2 didn't play, and won't play in a couple of weeks.........then explain the real reason to me. And please give me something besides "we could play each other at practice", or "he wanted to treat the girls to a party". And I agree with you that Dalglish probably won't lose all year, which will show even more that LW is shielding his RASE parents. You really think Dalglish parents who pay the same money as the rest are going to be cool with that a second time??? LW putting the egos of certain parents ahead of the "development" of players? You are extremely naive if you believe this is not the reason. But again, is LW worried about any players or parents on Dalglish? NO, it's obvoius. Especially, when he brings player after player in from other clubs and they immediately go to the RASE roster ahead of anyone on Dalglish. And never get a chance to prove anything in a real game against each other. He doesn't care. And I don't blame him, I would do the same thing. He knows what team brings in the players to Liverpool. And it's not Dalglish.

Which club does your dd play for?

Same team as your DD.

LMAO this is the best post ever. Genius

silentparent wrote:

go99 wrote:

silentparent wrote:

go99 wrote:I think we will play in a couple of weeks. And really have no idea what his reasons were last time. Maybe he too thought a championship game for 8 yr olds was silly. Maybe he didn't realize it was such a big deal to all the other teams. But whatever it was, coach lee doesn't run his decisions and thought processes by me. Had he done that it wouldn't have been an issue because we wouldn't have been in that league. Your turn. Why is everyone so bent out of shape and so concerned about the 2 teams playing each other. Can't say I have spent 1 second thinking about who the other teams play. Just seems odd to me. Maybe we should play a closed game with no posted results and sell tickets. Seems to be alot of interest. KACHING$$

Wonder what go99 will post when little go99 loses her spot to lw's next great upgrade....

Live by a poacher coach, die by a poacher coach....

I am glad you are so sure my DD wont be able to keep up. She would probably disagree with you though. If my DD fails to keep up then she has to move to Dalglish where she has friends, if she cannot make it there then we just have to find a team and coach that is closer to her level. Unlike you I don't think a team is a lifetime appointment. I think a spot is something you earn and have to continue too earn. Every other kid has a right to a spot on the team too. I don't want her on a team just because of seniority or politics or smoozing the coach. This is her soccer and she has to learn to earn what she gets. I do welcome you to bring out little silentsoccer to see if she can take the spot from her though

lol, the problem is coachs like lw dont organically build teams they are a parts machine, i am sure little go is a good player, but with a poacher coach, you are always in danger of being replaced by the next big thing that they poach from another team. I do think it is a warning sign when a coach can't find or cant convince others from within a club to come play for him.

Well, I don't normally get sucked into these debates but figured I'd give my two cents anyways since it's really all I got. I think whatever Liverpool or LW does isn't anything anyone else wouldn't do. We're from a small club here in the M-Plex and we lost 4 of our better players to Dalglish and another LP team. At first it upset a few people but here's a reality check for all those that are hating on RASE and Dalglish. There isn't one coach, if they had the charisma that LW has, that wouldn't do the same if they not only had the product, but also had the salesmanship to sell such a program as Liverpool offers. I honestly have no love or hate for the team or the coach. In fact, based on conversations with many parents that know LW, I hear he's a very disciplined coach, couple that with charisma and you have the makings of something great for recruiting. It also doesn't hurt that he has a corporate (I call it that due to the size of the club) label that he helped become what it is today - i.e. Liverpool. I know some of the parents on both teams, good people, the lot of 'em. I just wonder what the fascination is with worrying about what these teams do on a daily basis? At the end of the day, these kids are 8 and 9 years old and are playing a sport they love. Beyond that, all this hoopla is created by the parents themselves - egos, jealousy, anger, what have you.

So in short, what LW does or does not do with his teams is immaterial. If your coaches are getting the job done with YOUR DD, then the problem with teams and rankings and all that shouldn't be a problem. If your coaches AREN'T getting it done for your DD, then I would implore you to go talk to the one person that is pissing you off right now and get her a try-out and truly see if your daughter can compete if that's what's truly bothering you. Otherwise, I would worry less about where my team is on the rankings list and worry more about whether my DD is truly getting what she needs from the current program she is associated with. In my case, the team is middle of the road, but she gets all she needs and more from the coaches and the programs they offer - i.e. 11v11, 9v9, 3v3, touraments, etc. My DD would play soccer 7 days a week if let her, coaches feed off that energy, can you imagine having a team of 11 or 13 girls with that kind of drive playing on one team? That would be a dream. That is the dream LW gets to live on a daily basis because he has something to offer and parents are willing to take the chance and end up liking what they see. This is NTX soccer at it's best. I actually applaud LW and Liverpool on making that club what it is. Smaller clubs like ours take what we can from those larger clubs and apply what we can but unfortunately we'll never have the label to recruit the way Liverpool does. And that's not bad, it's just the way it is and some of us accept that.

SoccaDad wrote:

silentparent wrote:

go99 wrote:

silentparent wrote:

go99 wrote:I think we will play in a couple of weeks. And really have no idea what his reasons were last time. Maybe he too thought a championship game for 8 yr olds was silly. Maybe he didn't realize it was such a big deal to all the other teams. But whatever it was, coach lee doesn't run his decisions and thought processes by me. Had he done that it wouldn't have been an issue because we wouldn't have been in that league. Your turn. Why is everyone so bent out of shape and so concerned about the 2 teams playing each other. Can't say I have spent 1 second thinking about who the other teams play. Just seems odd to me. Maybe we should play a closed game with no posted results and sell tickets. Seems to be alot of interest. KACHING$$

Wonder what go99 will post when little go99 loses her spot to lw's next great upgrade....

Live by a poacher coach, die by a poacher coach....

I am glad you are so sure my DD wont be able to keep up. She would probably disagree with you though. If my DD fails to keep up then she has to move to Dalglish where she has friends, if she cannot make it there then we just have to find a team and coach that is closer to her level. Unlike you I don't think a team is a lifetime appointment. I think a spot is something you earn and have to continue too earn. Every other kid has a right to a spot on the team too. I don't want her on a team just because of seniority or politics or smoozing the coach. This is her soccer and she has to learn to earn what she gets. I do welcome you to bring out little silentsoccer to see if she can take the spot from her though

lol, the problem is coachs like lw dont organically build teams they are a parts machine, i am sure little go is a good player, but with a poacher coach, you are always in danger of being replaced by the next big thing that they poach from another team. I do think it is a warning sign when a coach can't find or cant convince others from within a club to come play for him.

Well, I don't normally get sucked into these debates but figured I'd give my two cents anyways since it's really all I got. I think whatever Liverpool or LW does isn't anything anyone else wouldn't do. We're from a small club here in the M-Plex and we lost 4 of our better players to Dalglish and another LP team. At first it upset a few people but here's a reality check for all those that are hating on RASE and Dalglish. There isn't one coach, if they had the charisma that LW has, that wouldn't do the same if they not only had the product, but also had the salesmanship to sell such a program as Liverpool offers. I honestly have no love or hate for the team or the coach. In fact, based on conversations with many parents that know LW, I hear he's a very disciplined coach, couple that with charisma and you have the makings of something great for recruiting. It also doesn't hurt that he has a corporate (I call it that due to the size of the club) label that he helped become what it is today - i.e. Liverpool. I know some of the parents on both teams, good people, the lot of 'em. I just wonder what the fascination is with worrying about what these teams do on a daily basis? At the end of the day, these kids are 8 and 9 years old and are playing a sport they love. Beyond that, all this hoopla is created by the parents themselves - egos, jealousy, anger, what have you.

So in short, what LW does or does not do with his teams is immaterial. If your coaches are getting the job done with YOUR DD, then the problem with teams and rankings and all that shouldn't be a problem. If your coaches AREN'T getting it done for your DD, then I would implore you to go talk to the one person that is pissing you off right now and get her a try-out and truly see if your daughter can compete if that's what's truly bothering you. Otherwise, I would worry less about where my team is on the rankings list and worry more about whether my DD is truly getting what she needs from the current program she is associated with. In my case, the team is middle of the road, but she gets all she needs and more from the coaches and the programs they offer - i.e. 11v11, 9v9, 3v3, touraments, etc. My DD would play soccer 7 days a week if let her, coaches feed off that energy, can you imagine having a team of 11 or 13 girls with that kind of drive playing on one team? That would be a dream. That is the dream LW gets to live on a daily basis because he has something to offer and parents are willing to take the chance and end up liking what they see. This is NTX soccer at it's best. I actually applaud LW and Liverpool on making that club what it is. Smaller clubs like ours take what we can from those larger clubs and apply what we can but unfortunately we'll never have the label to recruit the way Liverpool does. And that's not bad, it's just the way it is and some of us accept that.

Wait, I used the word recruit - that's not at all accurate - they honestly don't need to "recruit" per se. The name Liverpool is all you need, in the NTX soccer world, it's really a household name. So recruiting is a bad word, word of mouth sales is a better way to say it I think. You see the shirts, you hear the chatter, and on here it's all the rage. In fact, people who complain about it really are selling it more than LW is. So reality? It's the name that sells and fortunately for Liverpool, LW's name is at the top of the list. So he doesn't really need to "recruit", as much as wait for the talent to come to him. Parents will either like what they see or they won't, period.

SoccaDad wrote:

SoccaDad wrote:

silentparent wrote:

go99 wrote:

silentparent wrote:

go99 wrote:I think we will play in a couple of weeks. And really have no idea what his reasons were last time. Maybe he too thought a championship game for 8 yr olds was silly. Maybe he didn't realize it was such a big deal to all the other teams. But whatever it was, coach lee doesn't run his decisions and thought processes by me. Had he done that it wouldn't have been an issue because we wouldn't have been in that league. Your turn. Why is everyone so bent out of shape and so concerned about the 2 teams playing each other. Can't say I have spent 1 second thinking about who the other teams play. Just seems odd to me. Maybe we should play a closed game with no posted results and sell tickets. Seems to be alot of interest. KACHING$$

Wonder what go99 will post when little go99 loses her spot to lw's next great upgrade....

Live by a poacher coach, die by a poacher coach....

I am glad you are so sure my DD wont be able to keep up. She would probably disagree with you though. If my DD fails to keep up then she has to move to Dalglish where she has friends, if she cannot make it there then we just have to find a team and coach that is closer to her level. Unlike you I don't think a team is a lifetime appointment. I think a spot is something you earn and have to continue too earn. Every other kid has a right to a spot on the team too. I don't want her on a team just because of seniority or politics or smoozing the coach. This is her soccer and she has to learn to earn what she gets. I do welcome you to bring out little silentsoccer to see if she can take the spot from her though

lol, the problem is coachs like lw dont organically build teams they are a parts machine, i am sure little go is a good player, but with a poacher coach, you are always in danger of being replaced by the next big thing that they poach from another team. I do think it is a warning sign when a coach can't find or cant convince others from within a club to come play for him.

Well, I don't normally get sucked into these debates but figured I'd give my two cents anyways since it's really all I got. I think whatever Liverpool or LW does isn't anything anyone else wouldn't do. We're from a small club here in the M-Plex and we lost 4 of our better players to Dalglish and another LP team. At first it upset a few people but here's a reality check for all those that are hating on RASE and Dalglish. There isn't one coach, if they had the charisma that LW has, that wouldn't do the same if they not only had the product, but also had the salesmanship to sell such a program as Liverpool offers. I honestly have no love or hate for the team or the coach. In fact, based on conversations with many parents that know LW, I hear he's a very disciplined coach, couple that with charisma and you have the makings of something great for recruiting. It also doesn't hurt that he has a corporate (I call it that due to the size of the club) label that he helped become what it is today - i.e. Liverpool. I know some of the parents on both teams, good people, the lot of 'em. I just wonder what the fascination is with worrying about what these teams do on a daily basis? At the end of the day, these kids are 8 and 9 years old and are playing a sport they love. Beyond that, all this hoopla is created by the parents themselves - egos, jealousy, anger, what have you.

So in short, what LW does or does not do with his teams is immaterial. If your coaches are getting the job done with YOUR DD, then the problem with teams and rankings and all that shouldn't be a problem. If your coaches AREN'T getting it done for your DD, then I would implore you to go talk to the one person that is pissing you off right now and get her a try-out and truly see if your daughter can compete if that's what's truly bothering you. Otherwise, I would worry less about where my team is on the rankings list and worry more about whether my DD is truly getting what she needs from the current program she is associated with. In my case, the team is middle of the road, but she gets all she needs and more from the coaches and the programs they offer - i.e. 11v11, 9v9, 3v3, touraments, etc. My DD would play soccer 7 days a week if let her, coaches feed off that energy, can you imagine having a team of 11 or 13 girls with that kind of drive playing on one team? That would be a dream. That is the dream LW gets to live on a daily basis because he has something to offer and parents are willing to take the chance and end up liking what they see. This is NTX soccer at it's best. I actually applaud LW and Liverpool on making that club what it is. Smaller clubs like ours take what we can from those larger clubs and apply what we can but unfortunately we'll never have the label to recruit the way Liverpool does. And that's not bad, it's just the way it is and some of us accept that.

Wait, I used the word recruit - that's not at all accurate - they honestly don't need to "recruit" per se. The name Liverpool is all you need, in the NTX soccer world, it's really a household name. So recruiting is a bad word, word of mouth sales is a better way to say it I think. You see the shirts, you hear the chatter, and on here it's all the rage. In fact, people who complain about it really are selling it more than LW is. So reality? It's the name that sells and fortunately for Liverpool, LW's name is at the top of the list. So he doesn't really need to "recruit", as much as wait for the talent to come to him. Parents will either like what they see or they won't, period.

Just so I don't get mixed in with this whole recruiting business. I agree totally with this last post. I would do the same exact thing if I were in LW's shoes. It's brilliant. But once you have them, let them play each other if they've earned it.

Soccer Po Boy wrote:

SoccaDad wrote:

SoccaDad wrote:

silentparent wrote:

go99 wrote:

silentparent wrote:

Wonder what go99 will post when little go99 loses her spot to lw's next great upgrade....

Live by a poacher coach, die by a poacher coach....

I am glad you are so sure my DD wont be able to keep up. She would probably disagree with you though. If my DD fails to keep up then she has to move to Dalglish where she has friends, if she cannot make it there then we just have to find a team and coach that is closer to her level. Unlike you I don't think a team is a lifetime appointment. I think a spot is something you earn and have to continue too earn. Every other kid has a right to a spot on the team too. I don't want her on a team just because of seniority or politics or smoozing the coach. This is her soccer and she has to learn to earn what she gets. I do welcome you to bring out little silentsoccer to see if she can take the spot from her though

lol, the problem is coachs like lw dont organically build teams they are a parts machine, i am sure little go is a good player, but with a poacher coach, you are always in danger of being replaced by the next big thing that they poach from another team. I do think it is a warning sign when a coach can't find or cant convince others from within a club to come play for him.

Well, I don't normally get sucked into these debates but figured I'd give my two cents anyways since it's really all I got. I think whatever Liverpool or LW does isn't anything anyone else wouldn't do. We're from a small club here in the M-Plex and we lost 4 of our better players to Dalglish and another LP team. At first it upset a few people but here's a reality check for all those that are hating on RASE and Dalglish. There isn't one coach, if they had the charisma that LW has, that wouldn't do the same if they not only had the product, but also had the salesmanship to sell such a program as Liverpool offers. I honestly have no love or hate for the team or the coach. In fact, based on conversations with many parents that know LW, I hear he's a very disciplined coach, couple that with charisma and you have the makings of something great for recruiting. It also doesn't hurt that he has a corporate (I call it that due to the size of the club) label that he helped become what it is today - i.e. Liverpool. I know some of the parents on both teams, good people, the lot of 'em. I just wonder what the fascination is with worrying about what these teams do on a daily basis? At the end of the day, these kids are 8 and 9 years old and are playing a sport they love. Beyond that, all this hoopla is created by the parents themselves - egos, jealousy, anger, what have you.

So in short, what LW does or does not do with his teams is immaterial. If your coaches are getting the job done with YOUR DD, then the problem with teams and rankings and all that shouldn't be a problem. If your coaches AREN'T getting it done for your DD, then I would implore you to go talk to the one person that is pissing you off right now and get her a try-out and truly see if your daughter can compete if that's what's truly bothering you. Otherwise, I would worry less about where my team is on the rankings list and worry more about whether my DD is truly getting what she needs from the current program she is associated with. In my case, the team is middle of the road, but she gets all she needs and more from the coaches and the programs they offer - i.e. 11v11, 9v9, 3v3, touraments, etc. My DD would play soccer 7 days a week if let her, coaches feed off that energy, can you imagine having a team of 11 or 13 girls with that kind of drive playing on one team? That would be a dream. That is the dream LW gets to live on a daily basis because he has something to offer and parents are willing to take the chance and end up liking what they see. This is NTX soccer at it's best. I actually applaud LW and Liverpool on making that club what it is. Smaller clubs like ours take what we can from those larger clubs and apply what we can but unfortunately we'll never have the label to recruit the way Liverpool does. And that's not bad, it's just the way it is and some of us accept that.

Wait, I used the word recruit - that's not at all accurate - they honestly don't need to "recruit" per se. The name Liverpool is all you need, in the NTX soccer world, it's really a household name. So recruiting is a bad word, word of mouth sales is a better way to say it I think. You see the shirts, you hear the chatter, and on here it's all the rage. In fact, people who complain about it really are selling it more than LW is. So reality? It's the name that sells and fortunately for Liverpool, LW's name is at the top of the list. So he doesn't really need to "recruit", as much as wait for the talent to come to him. Parents will either like what they see or they won't, period.

Just so I don't get mixed in with this whole recruiting business. I agree totally with this last post. I would do the same exact thing if I were in LW's shoes. It's brilliant. But once you have them, let them play each other if they've earned it.

True that, I honestly don't really know the folks on here or the teams they play for so I honestly don't know if you're in the Liverpool "pool" or another team but I think it's always a good idea to let the kids play, but, here is the caveat - to what extent do you let them play if you know all it's going to do is cause disruption within the parent ranks? You have the top two teams - beyond that, does it really matter? I only ask cause I know there are some parents that don't think by way of "let them play cause they earned it". They think in terms of, if the game is really close or RASE loses to Daglish, the kind of turmoil it could cause overall. This all due to the parents, not the players. Yes, the players deserve to play, but unfortunately the parent factor here is likely what LW is trying to avoid and that's ALL parent politics and has nothing to do with the players. It's a very fine line when you've got two teams boasting the kind of talent these teams have and SOME parents with egos to match. I wouldn't want to be in his (LW's) shoes from that standpoint. But I couldn't agree more, maybe a closed game where the players play and at each 10 minute mark the coach mixes up the players a bit - don't know the solution to that one but I can bet it weighs heavily on the minds of not only LW but also SOME of the parents.

And FYI - didn't mean to go down the "recruit" road as that wasn't really what I was trying to say or imply.

SoccaDad wrote:

Soccer Po Boy wrote:

SoccaDad wrote:

SoccaDad wrote:

silentparent wrote:

go99 wrote:

I am glad you are so sure my DD wont be able to keep up. She would probably disagree with you though. If my DD fails to keep up then she has to move to Dalglish where she has friends, if she cannot make it there then we just have to find a team and coach that is closer to her level. Unlike you I don't think a team is a lifetime appointment. I think a spot is something you earn and have to continue too earn. Every other kid has a right to a spot on the team too. I don't want her on a team just because of seniority or politics or smoozing the coach. This is her soccer and she has to learn to earn what she gets. I do welcome you to bring out little silentsoccer to see if she can take the spot from her though

lol, the problem is coachs like lw dont organically build teams they are a parts machine, i am sure little go is a good player, but with a poacher coach, you are always in danger of being replaced by the next big thing that they poach from another team. I do think it is a warning sign when a coach can't find or cant convince others from within a club to come play for him.

Well, I don't normally get sucked into these debates but figured I'd give my two cents anyways since it's really all I got. I think whatever Liverpool or LW does isn't anything anyone else wouldn't do. We're from a small club here in the M-Plex and we lost 4 of our better players to Dalglish and another LP team. At first it upset a few people but here's a reality check for all those that are hating on RASE and Dalglish. There isn't one coach, if they had the charisma that LW has, that wouldn't do the same if they not only had the product, but also had the salesmanship to sell such a program as Liverpool offers. I honestly have no love or hate for the team or the coach. In fact, based on conversations with many parents that know LW, I hear he's a very disciplined coach, couple that with charisma and you have the makings of something great for recruiting. It also doesn't hurt that he has a corporate (I call it that due to the size of the club) label that he helped become what it is today - i.e. Liverpool. I know some of the parents on both teams, good people, the lot of 'em. I just wonder what the fascination is with worrying about what these teams do on a daily basis? At the end of the day, these kids are 8 and 9 years old and are playing a sport they love. Beyond that, all this hoopla is created by the parents themselves - egos, jealousy, anger, what have you.

So in short, what LW does or does not do with his teams is immaterial. If your coaches are getting the job done with YOUR DD, then the problem with teams and rankings and all that shouldn't be a problem. If your coaches AREN'T getting it done for your DD, then I would implore you to go talk to the one person that is pissing you off right now and get her a try-out and truly see if your daughter can compete if that's what's truly bothering you. Otherwise, I would worry less about where my team is on the rankings list and worry more about whether my DD is truly getting what she needs from the current program she is associated with. In my case, the team is middle of the road, but she gets all she needs and more from the coaches and the programs they offer - i.e. 11v11, 9v9, 3v3, touraments, etc. My DD would play soccer 7 days a week if let her, coaches feed off that energy, can you imagine having a team of 11 or 13 girls with that kind of drive playing on one team? That would be a dream. That is the dream LW gets to live on a daily basis because he has something to offer and parents are willing to take the chance and end up liking what they see. This is NTX soccer at it's best. I actually applaud LW and Liverpool on making that club what it is. Smaller clubs like ours take what we can from those larger clubs and apply what we can but unfortunately we'll never have the label to recruit the way Liverpool does. And that's not bad, it's just the way it is and some of us accept that.

Wait, I used the word recruit - that's not at all accurate - they honestly don't need to "recruit" per se. The name Liverpool is all you need, in the NTX soccer world, it's really a household name. So recruiting is a bad word, word of mouth sales is a better way to say it I think. You see the shirts, you hear the chatter, and on here it's all the rage. In fact, people who complain about it really are selling it more than LW is. So reality? It's the name that sells and fortunately for Liverpool, LW's name is at the top of the list. So he doesn't really need to "recruit", as much as wait for the talent to come to him. Parents will either like what they see or they won't, period.

Just so I don't get mixed in with this whole recruiting business. I agree totally with this last post. I would do the same exact thing if I were in LW's shoes. It's brilliant. But once you have them, let them play each other if they've earned it.

True that, I honestly don't really know the folks on here or the teams they play for so I honestly don't know if you're in the Liverpool "pool" or another team but I think it's always a good idea to let the kids play, but, here is the caveat - to what extent do you let them play if you know all it's going to do is cause disruption within the parent ranks? You have the top two teams - beyond that, does it really matter? I only ask cause I know there are some parents that don't think by way of "let them play cause they earned it". They think in terms of, if the game is really close or RASE loses to Daglish, the kind of turmoil it could cause overall. This all due to the parents, not the players. Yes, the players deserve to play, but unfortunately the parent factor here is likely what LW is trying to avoid and that's ALL parent politics and has nothing to do with the players. It's a very fine line when you've got two teams boasting the kind of talent these teams have and SOME parents with egos to match. I wouldn't want to be in his (LW's) shoes from that standpoint. But I couldn't agree more, maybe a closed game where the players play and at each 10 minute mark the coach mixes up the players a bit - don't know the solution to that one but I can bet it weighs heavily on the minds of not only LW but also SOME of the parents.

And FYI - didn't mean to go down the "recruit" road as that wasn't really what I was trying to say or imply.

Couldn't have said it better myself. But for some to come on here and deny that the parents on one side isn't the reason these games aren't played is ludacris and silly. Again, are the Dalglish parents going to get their panties in a wad if they get beat?

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lol, the problem is coachs like lw dont organically build teams they are a parts machine, i am sure little go is a good player, but with a poacher coach, you are always in danger of being replaced by the next big thing that they poach from another team. I do think it is a warning sign when a coach can't find or cant convince others from within a club to come play for him.

Well, I don't normally get sucked into these debates but figured I'd give my two cents anyways since it's really all I got. I think whatever Liverpool or LW does isn't anything anyone else wouldn't do. We're from a small club here in the M-Plex and we lost 4 of our better players to Dalglish and another LP team. At first it upset a few people but here's a reality check for all those that are hating on RASE and Dalglish. There isn't one coach, if they had the charisma that LW has, that wouldn't do the same if they not only had the product, but also had the salesmanship to sell such a program as Liverpool offers. I honestly have no love or hate for the team or the coach. In fact, based on conversations with many parents that know LW, I hear he's a very disciplined coach, couple that with charisma and you have the makings of something great for recruiting. It also doesn't hurt that he has a corporate (I call it that due to the size of the club) label that he helped become what it is today - i.e. Liverpool. I know some of the parents on both teams, good people, the lot of 'em. I just wonder what the fascination is with worrying about what these teams do on a daily basis? At the end of the day, these kids are 8 and 9 years old and are playing a sport they love. Beyond that, all this hoopla is created by the parents themselves - egos, jealousy, anger, what have you.

So in short, what LW does or does not do with his teams is immaterial. If your coaches are getting the job done with YOUR DD, then the problem with teams and rankings and all that shouldn't be a problem. If your coaches AREN'T getting it done for your DD, then I would implore you to go talk to the one person that is pissing you off right now and get her a try-out and truly see if your daughter can compete if that's what's truly bothering you. Otherwise, I would worry less about where my team is on the rankings list and worry more about whether my DD is truly getting what she needs from the current program she is associated with. In my case, the team is middle of the road, but she gets all she needs and more from the coaches and the programs they offer - i.e. 11v11, 9v9, 3v3, touraments, etc. My DD would play soccer 7 days a week if let her, coaches feed off that energy, can you imagine having a team of 11 or 13 girls with that kind of drive playing on one team? That would be a dream. That is the dream LW gets to live on a daily basis because he has something to offer and parents are willing to take the chance and end up liking what they see. This is NTX soccer at it's best. I actually applaud LW and Liverpool on making that club what it is. Smaller clubs like ours take what we can from those larger clubs and apply what we can but unfortunately we'll never have the label to recruit the way Liverpool does. And that's not bad, it's just the way it is and some of us accept that.

Wait, I used the word recruit - that's not at all accurate - they honestly don't need to "recruit" per se. The name Liverpool is all you need, in the NTX soccer world, it's really a household name. So recruiting is a bad word, word of mouth sales is a better way to say it I think. You see the shirts, you hear the chatter, and on here it's all the rage. In fact, people who complain about it really are selling it more than LW is. So reality? It's the name that sells and fortunately for Liverpool, LW's name is at the top of the list. So he doesn't really need to "recruit", as much as wait for the talent to come to him. Parents will either like what they see or they won't, period.

Just so I don't get mixed in with this whole recruiting business. I agree totally with this last post. I would do the same exact thing if I were in LW's shoes. It's brilliant. But once you have them, let them play each other if they've earned it.

True that, I honestly don't really know the folks on here or the teams they play for so I honestly don't know if you're in the Liverpool "pool" or another team but I think it's always a good idea to let the kids play, but, here is the caveat - to what extent do you let them play if you know all it's going to do is cause disruption within the parent ranks? You have the top two teams - beyond that, does it really matter? I only ask cause I know there are some parents that don't think by way of "let them play cause they earned it". They think in terms of, if the game is really close or RASE loses to Daglish, the kind of turmoil it could cause overall. This all due to the parents, not the players. Yes, the players deserve to play, but unfortunately the parent factor here is likely what LW is trying to avoid and that's ALL parent politics and has nothing to do with the players. It's a very fine line when you've got two teams boasting the kind of talent these teams have and SOME parents with egos to match. I wouldn't want to be in his (LW's) shoes from that standpoint. But I couldn't agree more, maybe a closed game where the players play and at each 10 minute mark the coach mixes up the players a bit - don't know the solution to that one but I can bet it weighs heavily on the minds of not only LW but also SOME of the parents.

And FYI - didn't mean to go down the "recruit" road as that wasn't really what I was trying to say or imply.

Couldn't have said it better myself. But for some to come on here and deny that the parents on one side isn't the reason these games aren't played is ludacris and silly. Again, are the Dalglish parents going to get their panties in a wad if they get beat?

In all honesty? The parents I know from that team wouldn't and on the other side of the coin, the parents I know from RASE likely wouldn't either but there are always a select few and that is true in ANY club, big or small. And they are usually the most vocal or egotistical, it only takes one to poison the camaraderie within a club.

I would say LW has had some success in player development and recruiting. From what I've seen, he has a style of coaching and tactics at the older levels that is on par with the Charles Hughes philosophy of football....Useful in it's day, but outdated a bit..

OH NO HE DIDN't lol went with the charles hughes reference. Went with a little POMO. Really don't know his tactics for the older ones although I know he did older teams so I will take your work for that.

Yes, more than just POMO though... Style was very Keegan-esque...Granted, this was a few years ago.. Seems to be getting away from that style with the younger ones though, more possesion-based..

Too many individual posts to respond to above, but will start out by saying I like your style Eaglescoach. I like the way you handled the double and maybe triple teaming (I lost track) in earlier posts. Even withstood the anger issues claims. Nicely done. Even made some tails tuck. I'm sure I will catch heat, but let me just ask, do those parents whose dd's are on the elite teams referenced in the earlier posts really think that they are there because there aren't any others good enough to take their spot? Lets be real. So why do they still have their spot? I would say in part because parents of many of those other kids who are good enough to be on those elite teams choose not to have their kids be, for a variety of reasons. Some of us would just not be so easily sold, even if we were given the Kings English pitch. Furthermore, it was suggested above somewhere that their kid "chose" to play with elite team. Really? Were some of her friends on the team? Otherwise, really? Who really did the choosing? And why?

KnKsDad wrote:Too many individual posts to respond to above, but will start out by saying I like your style Eaglescoach. I like the way you handled the double and maybe triple teaming (I lost track) in earlier posts. Even withstood the anger issues claims. Nicely done. Even made some tails tuck. I'm sure I will catch heat, but let me just ask, do those parents whose dd's are on the elite teams referenced in the earlier posts really think that they are there because there aren't any others good enough to take their spot? Lets be real. So why do they still have their spot? I would say in part because parents of many of those other kids who are good enough to be on those elite teams choose not to have their kids be, for a variety of reasons. Some of us would just not be so easily sold, even if we were given the Kings English pitch. Furthermore, it was suggested above somewhere that their kid "chose" to play with elite team. Really? Were some of her friends on the team? Otherwise, really? Who really did the choosing? And why?

The kids and parents obviously like him as a coach, just like you and yours like your coach. He's developing them and they are doing well, get over it!

My daughter played rec ball until I reached the point that I could not push her further. We joined a small academy team and played with them for one season and heard Dalglish was looking for a Goalie. We tried out. We did not get recruited but we tried out and she had to make the team on her own merits. We could not be happier with Liverpool, LW and the entire club. If some other club needed a goalie and I thought they had a program that supported her development maybe we may have been tempted to go with them, we never heard of another that would help my daughter learn the skills needed to succeed in the goal.

My daughter plays for both RASE and Dalglish depending on the week to week schedule. I know parents on BOTH teams, as most of us do since we do actually socialize outside of soccer practice and games. Do we have a few who might get worked up during our pending head to head game, likely. Show me a team who does not if they were in the same situation, none have this particular dilemma so this is an isolated incident.

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KnKsDad wrote:Too many individual posts to respond to above, but will start out by saying I like your style Eaglescoach. I like the way you handled the double and maybe triple teaming (I lost track) in earlier posts. Even withstood the anger issues claims. Nicely done. Even made some tails tuck. I'm sure I will catch heat, but let me just ask, do those parents whose dd's are on the elite teams referenced in the earlier posts really think that they are there because there aren't any others good enough to take their spot? Lets be real. So why do they still have their spot? I would say in part because parents of many of those other kids who are good enough to be on those elite teams choose not to have their kids be, for a variety of reasons. Some of us would just not be so easily sold, even if we were given the Kings English pitch. Furthermore, it was suggested above somewhere that their kid "chose" to play with elite team. Really? Were some of her friends on the team? Otherwise, really? Who really did the choosing? And why?

The kids and parents obviously like him as a coach, just like you and yours like your coach. He's developing them and they are doing well, get over it!

Didn't take long to get a response. The only mystery was who would be first. Congratulations. What is it you are suggesting I should get over? I never said anything directly negative about the coach you are referring to. I've never met him. I'm just challenging the BS. Is he the only one that knows how to develop? I venture to say that my DD's coach has forgotten more about the game than your boy knows. So, why are some of the kids really there? Come on, yall know who I'm talking to.

The fact that he is so talked about on here shows that LW must be doing something right. Quite obviously there are 1-2 very bitter and jealous parents on here who are doing their best to stir up drama out of absolutely nothing.
Furthermore, you can criticize him for many things but saying he is a recruiter and not a developer is just laughable. These people have obviously never been to any of his practices or ever watched his teams play. Outstanding.

Enough with the love/hate for Rase/Daglish. My DD enjoys playing those teams as it pushes her to step up her game. When we were looking for a team she said anywhere but LP. I said why, "cuz I want to try to beat them, not join them". We are happy with what our coach does and look forward to playing these two teams again and again. Keep up the good work.

Sweet_feet99 wrote:Enough with the love/hate for Rase/Daglish. My DD enjoys playing those teams as it pushes her to step up her game. When we were looking for a team she said anywhere but LP. I said why, "cuz I want to try to beat them, not join them". We are happy with what our coach does and look forward to playing these two teams again and again. Keep up the good work.

Hahaha... that's great, my DD said the same thing but it wasn't about RASE or Dalglish it was just simply Liverpool... she just wants to beat whatever Liverpool team is in front of her that day... LOL... Couldn't agree more with your statement though - definitely, keep up the good work!!! It makes everyone else work harder.

My dd came over with a couple of friends from rec. It was by accident really. Just figured we would play a season or so and then do something closer. Had already gotten a card from sting and cosmos(?) which is close. She had a great time, loved her coach and all her new friends. For me he ran a great practice, and showed a desire to not only win but teach the girls to play a style of soccer. He got my talented, quick dribilito and actually taught her to pass a ball and have fun doing it. We went thru a number of schuffling of the teams. Started with not enough for 1 & have been when there were more than 3 teams worth. So in the end she is on rase because she has always been there and that's where he put her. You may find it hard to believe but alot of people like coach lee I saw the decimation that happened to Texans when he left I think he is a great kids coach now how he is as a select coach remains to be seen. Its a whole different ballgame. And for those that say he is awful at it I say maybe but he has earned the right show he has the tactical acumen

now there you go I like SoccaDad and Sweetfeet's comments no need to try and bring down LW or liverpool or RASE/Dalglish. They would rather get on the field and beat them. None of the "he's a crap coach, the parents are awful, and LP should be burned to the ground" Just a simple wish you the best so we can see you out on the field and beat you. I think the more high quality, competative teams the better off everyone is.

go99 wrote:My dd came over with a couple of friends from rec. It was by accident really. Just figured we would play a season or so and then do something closer. Had already gotten a card from sting and cosmos(?) which is close. She had a great time, loved her coach and all her new friends. For me he ran a great practice, and showed a desire to not only win but teach the girls to play a style of soccer. He got my talented, quick dribilito and actually taught her to pass a ball and have fun doing it. We went thru a number of schuffling of the teams. Started with not enough for 1 & have been when there were more than 3 teams worth. So in the end she is on rase because she has always been there and that's where he put her. You may find it hard to believe but alot of people like coach lee I saw the decimation that happened to Texans when he left I think he is a great kids coach now how he is as a select coach remains to be seen. Its a whole different ballgame. And for those that say he is awful at it I say maybe but he has earned the right show he has the tactical acumen

Not hard at all, have heard some very good things - it's a mixed bag depending on WHO you talk to... funny how most of the coaches from all these clubs know each other pretty intimately. They either played together, against each other, shared fields, bought each other beers, complained about clubs, tried recruiting one another to coach for their clubs, etc. So these guys all know each other pretty good I'm finding out. However, our coach never has anything negative to say about Lee or his program but then again, everyone (coaches, clubs, etc. - minus parents) outside our club I've ever talked to loves our coach / owner as well so you can tell there is a lot more to the coaching ranks than meets the eye. Normally the negativity seems to come from parents that have had bad experiences or are a little envious of what's been built there or are still upset about the whole leaving DT thing - which I'm now just starting to understand. I have no insight so I have no feelings about that...

go99 wrote:now there you go I like SoccaDad and Sweetfeet's comments no need to try and bring down LW or liverpool or RASE/Dalglish. They would rather get on the field and beat them. None of the "he's a crap coach, the parents are awful, and LP should be burned to the ground" Just a simple wish you the best so we can see you out on the field and beat you. I think the more high quality, competative teams the better off everyone is.

Go, you are now saying some level headed stuff, unlike what I have read from others in your camp. You can put me in with Socca and Feet for the same reasons cited. To borrow a line from an old cigarette commercial that was out before most of you all's time, "I would rather fight than switch", to LP that is. My annoyance comes from the arrogance displayed by some posters affiliated with said team about the success of said team. A little humility might help.

I don't know of many people from the rase team that actially post. The most I see or do my self is speak up for a team and coach that some love to vilify. Can't speak for the others

Fair enough.