Re: Struggling with this decision

by go99 08/05/13, 10:02 am

That is a great experience and the right decision for a girl who wants to get better. However, not every kid wants to work to improve. Some kids just want to have fun and play. Thats okay too. Thats why its important to find out what she wants (irrespective of the leave or stay) Then base the decision on that

by Guest 08/05/13, 10:14 am

3-4-3 wrote:
silentparent wrote:
I completely disagree that it is her decision. Children dont know what best for them and tbey dont have the wisdom or maturity to make those decisions. They could stay there for years because they are afraid of trying something new, even if the new team is much more enjoyable to them. Also if she is ok watching the game, move to rec and save your hard earned money.Be a parent and parent....

I agree children don't generally know what's best for them. But this is an elective activity, a privilege really. The kid is the one who will have to put in the work, so IMO they should have the decision. I'm speaking from experience having tried it both ways. This is an 02 thread, so we're talking about an 11-year-old. My DD is 12 and went through exact same thing last year.

She played about 50% all year before playing about 7 minutes in her u11 state cup final. She started and was yanked within the first 2 minutes. Played about 5 minutes in the second half. She was in tears afterwards, and I was furious. I wanted to move her ASAP. I just didn't think the coach valued my daughter because she didn't fit the mold of most his players. I thought she had played very well up to that point in the tournament, so in MY mind it was the coach sending us a message by not using her in the final. If it were up to me, she wouldn't have been there in the first place. But it wasn't up to me. It was her choice to be there, and up to that point we all felt it was a great choice. She didn't want to leave HER team, so we didn't make her.

I talked to coach and got his input on what she needed. She worked on those things, and she improved. She learned how to set a goal and go after it. We could've forced her to move to other teams that would've started her and played her near 100%. But no way would she have worked as hard to become a better player. Her coach eventually rewarded her improvement, and excepting a few injuries she went on to have a great second year of select.

Even if her work hadn't paid off on the field, I firmly believe she was better off for the experience either way. I'm not saying our experience is the norm, but I do think at 11, that's old enough to own it.

So let me get this strait you think a 5th grade kid who is just getting multiplication and division under her built should own a $3k+ decision with full year implication? I do not recall having to make these levels of decisions when I was in 5th grade....at that age I probably did not have the foresight to look beyond the week- much less a year. Hey I am all for giving kids responsibility, but to not help/influence those decisions with my experience level seems foolish and poor parenting. Sure I will listen to my daughter, but I am not going to let her make decisions that are clearly not in her best interest. The day will come when it will be fully her decision but it isn't while she is in elementary school.

by bigtex75081 08/05/13, 10:29 am

getting less and less play time

This is a bothersome trend. So the coach has worked with this DD for A YEAR and the trend is less playing time as the season progresses? That tells me either (1) this DD has gotten WORSE at soccer under this coach's guidance or (2) the other girls on the team are improving faster than DD and, in that case, the DD needs to move to a new coach that better fits her learning style.

I understand 3-4-3's sentiment about a kids sticking it out as a life lesson but there are other lessons to be learned here as well. Like, "If something isn't working and it can't be fixed (i.e. a crappy job you don't like, a bad relationship) that you need to have the courage to move on even when the future is uncertain."

Sometimes "good enough" really isn't good enough and you need to instill the courage in your DD to know how to move on.

by Guest 08/05/13, 10:37 am

[quote="style points"]

3-4-3 wrote:
So let me get this strait you think a 5th grade kid who is just getting multiplication and division under her built should own a $3k+ decision with full year implication?

That's exactly what I'm saying. The first decision is are you willing to commit to the work required to play at a high level. If not, no way you should be paying anywhere near 3k for her to casually play soccer. If she is all in, and the one out there busting her butt, give her the ability to choose where she wants to play. Parents who feel like they have to control it prevent their daughters from developing a true passion for the game. If she thinks it's your game and not hers she's likely to quit anyway in another few years.

by mommabear1 08/05/13, 10:49 am

I think it is a decision to be made together. After 2.5 yrs at a team, we made a move. She was ready to go and we knew it was time...went to a new team. A year later, made her move again because I believed another team to be a "better opportunity." It has now been a year since...she still tells me how much she misses that team. And guess what...the team we went to..definitely NOT better. Much, much worse. A truly stupid decision on my part that has really hurt my daughter. I suppose when she was crying and saying she didn't want to leave...I should have listened.

Just some advice from a parent who learned the hard way Wink

by Guest 08/05/13, 10:51 am

[quote="3-4-3"]

style points wrote:
3-4-3 wrote:
So let me get this strait you think a 5th grade kid who is just getting multiplication and division under her built should own a $3k+ decision with full year implication?

That's exactly what I'm saying. The first decision is are you willing to commit to the work required to play at a high level. If not, no way you should be paying anywhere near 3k for her to casually play soccer. If she is all in, and the one out there busting her butt, give her the ability to choose where she wants to play. Parents who feel like they have to control it prevent their daughters from developing a true passion for the game. If she thinks it's your game and not hers she's likely to quit anyway in another few years.

I do not take exception with the 5th grader making a decision to play the sport at a high level and her commitment to put in the work. That should be the kids call. I take exception to giving a 5th grader the full decision when picking a team and a coach- especially when you the parent think it is not in your child's best interest. Those are VERY different things.

by justamomof2 08/05/13, 10:52 am

singlemomofthree wrote:Long time reader but first time posting. My kid really likes the girls on her team but all year long, I've noticed that she never starts and is getting less and less play time during games. I talked to the coach three times and he told me that all was well but that different kids fit different opponents better than others. When we play a really good team, she barely gets in for maybe five to ten minutes a half. When the score is close, she doesn't get in much either. If we are winning or losing by three goals, she will get 15 minutes in the second half. I don't know what to do because she seems happy, but this sure is expensive for how much playing time she is getting. I'm wondering if we should start looking around in June and maybe change teams. How important is it to be a starter and play most of the time? I don't think she will be good enough for college soccer but she might make her high school team. Is it better to get more play time on a lower team or is it better to be on a better team but sit on the bench a lot? I hear all the high school coaches all want Lake Highland players. I appreciate your perspectives. She is my oldest so this is really my first time with club soccer at the select level.

Thank you very much!!!

From what I read, you already realize that there is a problem and deep down, you already know what you need to do. In short, if you don't play then you don't develop and learn. There is no way to get better by watching from the sidelines--and no way to get noticed. You said that your daughter seems happy--have you really discussed this with her? Do you know what her goal is, why she likes soccer, and why she likes this team? And is she REALLY happy, or just going along with the situation? Or is she willing to stay there just to stay with her friends? She may surprise you ,and she may be having the same questions and frustrations...or you may have to dig a little deeper and address some of her concerns about moving on.

Also, June is an open month for a reason--to allow time to visit teams and make a decision on what is right for your DD. If you're not a valued team member, you have the opportunity to find a place that you can better contribute. Personally, I think this window is way to short, but such is life in North Texas. Good luck!

by imasoccerfreak 08/05/13, 11:31 am

justamomof2 wrote:
singlemomofthree wrote:Long time reader but first time posting. My kid really likes the girls on her team but all year long, I've noticed that she never starts and is getting less and less play time during games. I talked to the coach three times and he told me that all was well but that different kids fit different opponents better than others. When we play a really good team, she barely gets in for maybe five to ten minutes a half. When the score is close, she doesn't get in much either. If we are winning or losing by three goals, she will get 15 minutes in the second half. I don't know what to do because she seems happy, but this sure is expensive for how much playing time she is getting. I'm wondering if we should start looking around in June and maybe change teams. How important is it to be a starter and play most of the time? I don't think she will be good enough for college soccer but she might make her high school team. Is it better to get more play time on a lower team or is it better to be on a better team but sit on the bench a lot? I hear all the high school coaches all want Lake Highland players. I appreciate your perspectives. She is my oldest so this is really my first time with club soccer at the select level.

Thank you very much!!!

From what I read, you already realize that there is a problem and deep down, you already know what you need to do. In short, if you don't play then you don't develop and learn. There is no way to get better by watching from the sidelines--and no way to get noticed. You said that your daughter seems happy--have you really discussed this with her? Do you know what her goal is, why she likes soccer, and why she likes this team? And is she REALLY happy, or just going along with the situation? Or is she willing to stay there just to stay with her friends? She may surprise you ,and she may be having the same questions and frustrations...or you may have to dig a little deeper and address some of her concerns about moving on.

Also, June is an open month for a reason--to allow time to visit teams and make a decision on what is right for your DD. If you're not a valued team member, you have the opportunity to find a place that you can better contribute. Personally, I think this window is way to short, but such is life in North Texas. Good luck!

Totally agree with this. Last year when we made a switch, my daughter was on the fence about leaving. But knowing that she's a total people pleaser, we knew that it was more of a fear of letting down a coach she liked, fear of the unknown and taking a risk. That's different from being "happy" - that's more about feeling comfortable - and we had to dig to find that difference. We talked about how the gamble might pay off and might not, and we talked about how we would handle it if it turned out to be a mistake to leave. (It did not turn out that way). We talked to her about how getting out of comfort zones is the way people/athletes grow. She had a vote in the decision, but the check writers had a bigger vote. Most importantly, even though we as her parents were pretty stressed about the whole process of switching, we worked VERY hard to hide that and come across as laid back about it. Even though it required a large amount of drinking on my part to be that way, Laughing

it seemed to help her feel better about the transition.

by Blank77 08/05/13, 11:43 am

go99 wrote:ahh got it. So the bench players are the coaches fault. They put the kids on the bench because they don't LIKE them. A grown coach has nothing better to do in life but dislike a kid and put them on the field for a few minutes just so he can torment them.

Coaches mis judge talent all the time and are frequently wrong but from what I have seen a problem often comes because coaches have no personal stake in parents little angel that can do no wrong. Now where coaches go wrong is honesty. Had a boy coach tell me the hardest part and one thing he hated about the job is to go tell parents that their kid is not ready to play at this level. If a kid is not playing they should no why and what they need to do even if that is playing at a lower level.

Oh and the whole coach is destroying my confidence thing. Build you confidence on your ability not what others think of you

Absolutely. I have seen this first hand, many places, by many so-called top coaches. I am sure it doesn't happen everywhere, and there are plenty of bench kids that deserve to be there, but I have seen plenty of should-be starters on the bench be singled out and demoralized by the coach and his bias.

It is absurd to think a coach can't tear down the strongest kid's confidence. They have a whole year to do it, although it doesn't take very long.

by Guest 08/05/13, 11:46 am

Blank77 wrote:
go99 wrote:ahh got it. So the bench players are the coaches fault. They put the kids on the bench because they don't LIKE them. A grown coach has nothing better to do in life but dislike a kid and put them on the field for a few minutes just so he can torment them.

Coaches mis judge talent all the time and are frequently wrong but from what I have seen a problem often comes because coaches have no personal stake in parents little angel that can do no wrong. Now where coaches go wrong is honesty. Had a boy coach tell me the hardest part and one thing he hated about the job is to go tell parents that their kid is not ready to play at this level. If a kid is not playing they should no why and what they need to do even if that is playing at a lower level.

Oh and the whole coach is destroying my confidence thing. Build you confidence on your ability not what others think of you

Absolutely. I have seen this first hand, many places, by many so-called top coaches. I am sure it doesn't happen everywhere, and there are plenty of bench kids that deserve to be there, but I have seen plenty of should-be starters on the bench be singled out and demoralized by the coach and his bias.

It is absurd to think a coach can't tear down the strongest kid's confidence. They have a whole year to do it, although it doesn't take very long.

true and there are always those who say well tough it out. ok maybe at 17 18 19 but 10, 11, 12? get a grip, you are PAYING these people. Fire them if they don't work out and go somewhere else, common sense. your kid is worth far more than an ahole coach...

by go99 08/05/13, 12:03 pm

Blank77 wrote:
go99 wrote:ahh got it. So the bench players are the coaches fault. They put the kids on the bench because they don't LIKE them. A grown coach has nothing better to do in life but dislike a kid and put them on the field for a few minutes just so he can torment them.

Coaches mis judge talent all the time and are frequently wrong but from what I have seen a problem often comes because coaches have no personal stake in parents little angel that can do no wrong. Now where coaches go wrong is honesty. Had a boy coach tell me the hardest part and one thing he hated about the job is to go tell parents that their kid is not ready to play at this level. If a kid is not playing they should no why and what they need to do even if that is playing at a lower level.

Oh and the whole coach is destroying my confidence thing. Build you confidence on your ability not what others think of you

Absolutely. I have seen this first hand, many places, by many so-called top coaches. I am sure it doesn't happen everywhere, and there are plenty of bench kids that deserve to be there, but I have seen plenty of should-be starters on the bench be singled out and demoralized by the coach and his bias.

It is absurd to think a coach can't tear down the strongest kid's confidence. They have a whole year to do it, although it doesn't take very long.

So you are suggesting that a grown coach gets up before practice scheming of way to destroy kids. What is his upside whats in it for him. I have seen waaaaay more parents who think little suzy should be starting and is doing great when the reality is she shouldn't be allowed around round objects of any kind. coaches incompetent yes dedicated to destroying kids?

by Guest 08/05/13, 12:09 pm

go99 wrote:
Blank77 wrote:
go99 wrote:ahh got it. So the bench players are the coaches fault. They put the kids on the bench because they don't LIKE them. A grown coach has nothing better to do in life but dislike a kid and put them on the field for a few minutes just so he can torment them.

Coaches mis judge talent all the time and are frequently wrong but from what I have seen a problem often comes because coaches have no personal stake in parents little angel that can do no wrong. Now where coaches go wrong is honesty. Had a boy coach tell me the hardest part and one thing he hated about the job is to go tell parents that their kid is not ready to play at this level. If a kid is not playing they should no why and what they need to do even if that is playing at a lower level.

Oh and the whole coach is destroying my confidence thing. Build you confidence on your ability not what others think of you

Absolutely. I have seen this first hand, many places, by many so-called top coaches. I am sure it doesn't happen everywhere, and there are plenty of bench kids that deserve to be there, but I have seen plenty of should-be starters on the bench be singled out and demoralized by the coach and his bias.

It is absurd to think a coach can't tear down the strongest kid's confidence. They have a whole year to do it, although it doesn't take very long.

So you are suggesting that a grown coach gets up before practice scheming of way to destroy kids. What is his upside whats in it for him. I have seen waaaaay more parents who think little suzy should be starting and is doing great when the reality is she shouldn't be allowed around round objects of any kind. coaches incompetent yes dedicated to destroying kids?

what you seem to not understand go99 is that yes, there are ahole coaches out there who by nature do these things. i hear screaming every weekend at games, i hear insults shouted from coaches. it is not uncommon. now take these same aholes and practice 75 times a year, doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out what is going on...

by Blank77 08/05/13, 12:12 pm

go99 wrote:
Blank77 wrote:
go99 wrote:ahh got it. So the bench players are the coaches fault. They put the kids on the bench because they don't LIKE them. A grown coach has nothing better to do in life but dislike a kid and put them on the field for a few minutes just so he can torment them.

Coaches mis judge talent all the time and are frequently wrong but from what I have seen a problem often comes because coaches have no personal stake in parents little angel that can do no wrong. Now where coaches go wrong is honesty. Had a boy coach tell me the hardest part and one thing he hated about the job is to go tell parents that their kid is not ready to play at this level. If a kid is not playing they should no why and what they need to do even if that is playing at a lower level.

Oh and the whole coach is destroying my confidence thing. Build you confidence on your ability not what others think of you

Absolutely. I have seen this first hand, many places, by many so-called top coaches. I am sure it doesn't happen everywhere, and there are plenty of bench kids that deserve to be there, but I have seen plenty of should-be starters on the bench be singled out and demoralized by the coach and his bias.

It is absurd to think a coach can't tear down the strongest kid's confidence. They have a whole year to do it, although it doesn't take very long.

So you are suggesting that a grown coach gets up before practice scheming of way to destroy kids. What is his upside whats in it for him. I have seen waaaaay more parents who think little suzy should be starting and is doing great when the reality is she shouldn't be allowed around round objects of any kind. coaches incompetent yes dedicated to destroying kids?

Of course not, coach's never see themselves destroying kids. They always have an above board self glorifying vision of what they are doing and how it helps the team. Upside could be to get the parents off his back, so I didn't start Suzy because her goal was a freak accident. Didn't you hear me yelling at her to pass...and I know everything and you are a parent?!

I won't disagree that there are way more delusional parents to coaches (probably around 15-1). I'd also state that 75% of the kids not getting the play time, don't deserve it...but, I may be high, but I bet 25% of kids on the bench should be starting if they didn't play the same position as the manager's kid, hot mom's kid, guy who is paying for private's kid, or just used in a better position/system.

by bigtex75081 08/05/13, 12:24 pm

Do coaches take the field with the intention of hurting certain players and favoring others? No, I seriously doubt that.

Do coaches favor some kids on their roster more than others for reasons other than soccer skills? Yes, coaches are humans and personally feelings impact their actions just like anyone else. I doubt a coach intends to lift some kids up while intentionally holding others down but personal feelings do get in the way. It happens.

Can your kiddo be a victim of their own reputation? Yes. Sometimes a kid establishes a reputation with a coach and, no matter how hard they try going forward, they’re unable to shake it. If you know your DD is stuck in that type of situation, it’s probably better for everyone to just move on.

by go99 08/05/13, 12:45 pm

okay bigtex and blank now we are back in reality but the coach hates me stuff is things kids say in school when they get in trouble. What did you do? Nothing. The teacher hates me

by Guest 08/05/13, 01:10 pm

go99 wrote:
Blank77 wrote:
go99 wrote:ahh got it. So the bench players are the coaches fault. They put the kids on the bench because they don't LIKE them. A grown coach has nothing better to do in life but dislike a kid and put them on the field for a few minutes just so he can torment them.

Coaches mis judge talent all the time and are frequently wrong but from what I have seen a problem often comes because coaches have no personal stake in parents little angel that can do no wrong. Now where coaches go wrong is honesty. Had a boy coach tell me the hardest part and one thing he hated about the job is to go tell parents that their kid is not ready to play at this level. If a kid is not playing they should no why and what they need to do even if that is playing at a lower level.

Oh and the whole coach is destroying my confidence thing. Build you confidence on your ability not what others think of you

Absolutely. I have seen this first hand, many places, by many so-called top coaches. I am sure it doesn't happen everywhere, and there are plenty of bench kids that deserve to be there, but I have seen plenty of should-be starters on the bench be singled out and demoralized by the coach and his bias.

It is absurd to think a coach can't tear down the strongest kid's confidence. They have a whole year to do it, although it doesn't take very long.

So you are suggesting that a grown coach gets up before practice scheming of way to destroy kids. What is his upside whats in it for him. I have seen waaaaay more parents who think little suzy should be starting and is doing great when the reality is she shouldn't be allowed around round objects of any kind. coaches incompetent yes dedicated to destroying kids?

No they do not wake up ready to destroy kids. They go to bed sorry coaches and they wake up sorry coaches. I am sure many coaches do not like it, but youth coaching is more than just teaching the kids how to play the game. To be a good youth coach you also have to be an effective communicator with the parents and kids alike. I think there would be far less issues if coaches communicated regularly/truthfully with the parents regarding the player status on the team. The parent may not like what they have to say but that does not mean it is not the responsibility of the coach to share it. Yes I have come across many delusional parents (on both the boys and girls side), but they more than anyone need to be confronted with the truth. And sure they probably will not like it and so they probably do not sign the contract in the first place.

I believe there are very few cases where a decent talent evaluator does not really foresee a playing time/position issue with a weaker player- so why not have that honest conversation with the player and parents before signing? The only reason I can think of is $.

by Packrabbit 08/05/13, 01:11 pm

silentparent wrote:
Blank77 wrote:
3-4-3 wrote:Hate to be the contrarian (actually I don't), but the decision should be hers. If she wants to stay, ask the coach for a brutal assessment of where she is what she needs to get more PT in key game situations. Devise a plan, or ask the coach for help coming up with one to get her there. Then it's up to her to put in the work. It will be a struggle, because it's very difficult changing the opinion of a coach once he/she has slotted your kid. You should be upfront with her about how much harder she'll need to work, but if she is willing to do it, I think you let her stay and go through the experience. There are life lessons there to be had no matter the outcome.

Usually, this is a waste of time. From what I have seen from most coaches is they are overly critical of their bench players. Waiting for any mistake, yelling loud so parents can here, and killing their confidence and making them hesitant, and on the girls they like let them play terrible and keep making the mistakes. Even if she works hard, this guy will probably always slot her as a bench player. Even if she improves, it is rare to get the opportunity to succeed. If she wants to play, split - if she wants to practice with her friends and watch them play in the game - stay.

I completely disagree that it is her decision. Children dont know what best for them and tbey dont have the wisdom or maturity to make those decisions. They could stay there for years because they are afraid of trying something new, even if the new team is much more enjoyable to them. Also if she is ok watching the game, move to rec and save your hard earned money.Be a parent and parent....

I agree for the most part. Girls Especially at this age can "settle"into a particular social pecking order on their team. Most likely, she will not improve at her current team, she will not push anyone else- it will upset the way of things- especially since she is at the bottom. She probably glad to just to be apart of the group. It's not surprising that she doesn't want to move, especially if she goes to school w/ these girls (I need help- need a synonym for "especially"). Being at the bottom of line up, it is probably NOT the most positive social experience , most likely. It's not you dd doesn't have character or is weak- it's just the way it is at this age.

This is where you have to make an honest assessment: If she athletic, has descent speed, strength and size (not necessarily height), I would move her, where a coach can give her the "other stuff"- its still very, very early. I have seen or heard about it numerous times ( in D1, D2, D3, PPL, etc), every year where an athletic kid changes scenery, blooms and becomes a real force on the soccer field. It's great when it happens-- folks will notice-"who is that? Is that Jane from...?". Then you are peppered with questions on what you did, who she trained with...The social part is even more fun when you are playing. After you, she just needs a coach to believe in her. Otherwise, I doubt she is playing in a couple of years, which does not have a be a bad thing either!

Good luck, this is hard, but if she has the tools, she at least needs to check out other situations WITHOUT her current teammates. But you have to make a plan for her according to her goals, and you have to make the decision for her.

by Guest 08/05/13, 01:41 pm

You might check out an independent club. It seems there are more options on the girls side that offer good coaching and are more cost-effective than the bigger clubs. If she's going to be one of the girls who is outside of the starting 11, at least you aren't paying thousands of dollars for her to play 15 minutes each game and she can continue to develop against good competition.

by sideline fan 08/05/13, 03:22 pm

No doubt this is a hard decision. It's allot of $$ to pay to sit on a bench. It really doesn't matter what level they play on as long as she gets to play.This is how you improve and keep the love of the game. What fun is it to sit on the bench 2/3 of a game. There are many teams looking. Last year when my DD was looking it was very important to find a good coach that interacts well with your DD. Lots of different types. Good luck

by Anarchy 08/05/13, 03:35 pm

So now you have 10 different directions to take....Does that help lol

by Referee 08/05/13, 06:57 pm

Make your own decisions. Don't listen to any of these wahoos, yahoos, vipers and such.

by Guest 08/05/13, 07:10 pm

Just find a KICKBALL team and have your daughter just toe poke it to the fast forward.

by singlemomofthree 09/05/13, 06:13 am

Thanks sooooo much for all the words of advice. This was far more than I thought I would get. I do think the coach simply has written off my kid and doesn't see that she is trying hard and getting better at her first touch and making better decisions. He is not really tearing her down like some people described with other coaches. He is just not expecting much out of her and he is really not coaching her individually. He coaches all team concepts and expects the girls to have their individual skills already I guess. I talked with her again and we have both decided to go look at other teams in June. She just doesn't want to leave her friends and social aspects of the team. Thanks again.

by Offsides 09/05/13, 08:25 am

She will make new friends. Move on!

by sideline fan 09/05/13, 10:49 am

Don't wait until June...Tournament time is now and teams are looking for guest players. Get a release and start now.

by BallControl_02 09/05/13, 01:15 pm

SingleMomofThree--I agree with everyone on here. My daughter went from a team where she got about as much playing time (if not less) than what you are describing, to a team where she not only starts, but plays 75-80% of the time. The difference in her confidence, and the improvements she has made on the field because of this, has been immensely rewarding. I cannot recommend it enough to remove her from her current situation and find a coach/team that will not only believe in her, but allow her to grow and flourish. I don't know what level of play she is at, but even if you go from a D1 to a D2, or a D2 to a D3, etc., or even more around in the same division, at some point, she will find the right fit for her and she'll be happier.

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