Solar coup?

Flatback4 wrote:One item to consider, the LP 00 team and the top Solar Red 00 team each have 15 players.  The ECNL roster size is limited to 30 players so theoretically all players from both teams could be on the ECNL roster.  If that happened the other 00 teams would not benefit.

I'd love to hear the sales pitch for me to put my kid on a 30-person roster at U14.

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Antipelagian wrote:Liverpool is doing very well at Region 3 tournament....just saying

They still have that?

LHD wrote:

Flatback4 wrote:It is true CP to Solar although he also had an offer from Texans.

The 2 top 00 teams now at the same club - and only one ECNL roster.  This could have a ripple effect on all the newly forming 00 ECNL teams if true.   

1) Who coaches the ECNL team - Pulp or Solca?  
2) Where do the Solca or Pulp girls who don't make the Solar ECNL team go? 
3) How many girls (who thought they had a spot on their club's ECNL team) will get bumped off Sting, Texans, FCD or Feet by the Solca or Pulp girls who don't make Solar's ECNL team?

Could get very interesting . . . if true.

1.  Solca
2.  The Pulp girls that don't make the ECNL roster....the Pulp girls that were interested in ECNL had already made commitments to ECNL teams before Pulp's team left for Regionals (1- Texans, 1- Solar, 1- Feet).  There are two more sure fire ECNL players on the roster (CM, Keeper) who were indifferent about ECNL and now have the option to dual roster if they so choose....I think they will choose!
3.  None, IMO Solar ECNL will have room for the two players mentioned above and it won't impact any of the other ECNL squads unless a stud from Solar or one of the two aforementioned Pulp girls decides to leave because they feel misled. If it is not a stud leaving then I don't think that player will get on another ECNL team at this juncture.  Texans, Sting, Feet are at 20ish players already.  I don't think those coaches would add to those numbers or swap out a player unless it is for a stud.

outonthelimb wrote:

LHD wrote:

Flatback4 wrote:It is true CP to Solar although he also had an offer from Texans.

The 2 top 00 teams now at the same club - and only one ECNL roster.  This could have a ripple effect on all the newly forming 00 ECNL teams if true.   

1) Who coaches the ECNL team - Pulp or Solca?  
2) Where do the Solca or Pulp girls who don't make the Solar ECNL team go? 
3) How many girls (who thought they had a spot on their club's ECNL team) will get bumped off Sting, Texans, FCD or Feet by the Solca or Pulp girls who don't make Solar's ECNL team?

Could get very interesting . . . if true.

1.  Solca
2.  The Pulp girls that don't make the ECNL roster....the Pulp girls that were interested in ECNL had already made commitments to ECNL teams before Pulp's team left for Regionals (1- Texans, 1- Solar, 1- Feet).  There are two more sure fire ECNL players on the roster (CM, Keeper) who were indifferent about ECNL and now have the option to dual roster if they so choose....I think they will choose!
3.  None, IMO Solar ECNL will have room for the two players mentioned above and it won't impact any of the other ECNL squads unless a stud from Solar or one of the two aforementioned Pulp girls decides to leave because they feel misled. If it is not a stud leaving then I don't think that player will get on another ECNL team at this juncture.  Texans, Sting, Feet are at 20ish players already.  I don't think those coaches would add to those numbers or swap out a player unless it is for a stud.

If those three were wanted they wouldn't have left.... Try another sport  like:

ECNL roster is still quite large for dual rostering....most play up and still play LHGCL.  Only 3 can play down, if not dual rostered.

Solca takes ECNL, DM and CP still have very strong rosters for Fall and beyond. 2 teams in LHGCL, and they still battle for LHGCL supremacy. 

Status Quo on who thought ECNL and who thought LHGCL....nothing changes except for a couple Pulp girls who make the ECNL roster, or a few who make the dual roster list....

Bottom line - Solar has a huge pool of 98s and 00s that own their age group....win-win for everybody!

Nice to see you back 'outonthelimb'....

Must have not been a 'good' offer from Texans.....

"If those three were wanted they wouldn't have left.... Try another sport."

This is pure genius. You obviously know everything about everything. What I terribly enjoy right now is how easy it is to spew more crap on the forum about this instead of watching actual meaningful games. Oh wait, some of us ARE actually still playing real games. Enjoy your off-season. I'm sure its been long and very meaningful.

And yes, my daughter is one that made that tough decision. If you want to actually know the real truth on why, look me up. I'm not hard to find.

"Bottom line - Solar has a huge pool of 98s and 00s that own their age group....win-win for everybody!"

BumpyPitch wrote:

outonthelimb wrote:

LHD wrote:

Flatback4 wrote:It is true CP to Solar although he also had an offer from Texans.

The 2 top 00 teams now at the same club - and only one ECNL roster.  This could have a ripple effect on all the newly forming 00 ECNL teams if true.   

1) Who coaches the ECNL team - Pulp or Solca?  
2) Where do the Solca or Pulp girls who don't make the Solar ECNL team go? 
3) How many girls (who thought they had a spot on their club's ECNL team) will get bumped off Sting, Texans, FCD or Feet by the Solca or Pulp girls who don't make Solar's ECNL team?

Could get very interesting . . . if true.

1.  Solca
2.  The Pulp girls that don't make the ECNL roster....the Pulp girls that were interested in ECNL had already made commitments to ECNL teams before Pulp's team left for Regionals (1- Texans, 1- Solar, 1- Feet).  There are two more sure fire ECNL players on the roster (CM, Keeper) who were indifferent about ECNL and now have the option to dual roster if they so choose....I think they will choose!
3.  None, IMO Solar ECNL will have room for the two players mentioned above and it won't impact any of the other ECNL squads unless a stud from Solar or one of the two aforementioned Pulp girls decides to leave because they feel misled. If it is not a stud leaving then I don't think that player will get on another ECNL team at this juncture.  Texans, Sting, Feet are at 20ish players already.  I don't think those coaches would add to those numbers or swap out a player unless it is for a stud.

If those three were wanted they wouldn't have left.... Try another sport  like:

ECNL roster is still quite large for dual rostering....most play up and still play LHGCL.  Only 3 can play down, if not dual rostered.

Solca takes ECNL, DM and CP still have very strong rosters for Fall and beyond. 2 teams in LHGCL, and they still battle for LHGCL supremacy. 

Status Quo on who thought ECNL and who thought LHGCL....nothing changes except for a couple Pulp girls who make the ECNL roster, or a few who make the dual roster list....

Bottom line - Solar has a huge pool of 98s and 00s that own their age group....win-win for everybody!

Nice to see you back 'outonthelimb'....

Must have not been a 'good' offer from Texans.....

I mostly ignored you in the '03 world because of your utter lack of knowledge on what really goes on in the age group and here you go again with statements that are beyond laughable.  

This statement "If those three were wanted they wouldn't have left...."  is well.....read-on.  


Player 1 of 3 is the highest regarded '00 player in NTX.  It's not just my opinion...she is the only '00 ranked in the SoccerAmerica top 150 in the nation.  Click their website and you'll find her there in the class of 2017.  So maybe Pulp didn't want her (tongue in cheek) but Solar, Texans, Feet, Sting and FCD ECNL darn sure did.  GREAT steal by FEET!

Player 2 of 3 above "so say people I trust very much" is the engine of Pulp's team at the attacking-Mid position.  She is probably the highest regarded 2000 calendar year born player in the '00 soccer age group.  The USSF is drooling over her performances and promoted her from '00 to '99 training.  She'll be playing along side the much heralded Texan ECNL Holding-Mid next year.  Welcome Bk...that midfield will be frightening. 

Player 3 of 3 is one of the top 3-4 athletes in the NTX '00 soccer world and a multi-position threat.  When Pulp needs a goal she always gets the nod to move from CB to FWD to apply pressure.  Again...Pulp may not have wanted her (tongue in cheek) but I guarantee you Sting, Texans, Feet, FCD were in pursuit of her services. Congratulations to Solar ECNL for winning that sweepstakes.

Who gets the Liverpool '98 bye?  The next team is a Plano D1 team.  Surely they won't move that team straight from Plano to D1??  Or do they lose that bye just like when teams leave D1 for ECNL at U14?

If the whole team were to move, the bye, I think, would go with them. (Someone please correct me if I am mistaken.)

Actually, I think the rule you are trying to cite is the 75% rule.  That is when a team playing in LHGCL leaves one club and joins another.  In that case, at least 75% of the roster must be the same in order for the bye to follow the team and not stay with the club.  Those girls will still be playing with each other in LHGCL with that new club. But in the case of the Elite '98 team, they are not moving.  They are leaving LHGCL altogether since ECNL is not associated with LHGCL nor NTX.  Most (if not all) of those girls will not be on any LHGCL roster.

So it seems to me that either one of two possibilities exist.  That 1) Liverpool will keep the bye.  Which is usually the case when a team switches but cannot retain 75%.  Or 2) that nobody gets the bye.  In this case, the team would vanish and everybody below would slide up a position.  Such is the case when the top teams of the 5 "big" clubs leave LHGCL and join ECNL at U14.  Those 5 clubs don't get to keep their D1 bye's in that case.

So if #1 applies here, then a D1 Plano team would move into LHGCL D1.  That is a huge jump and would not serve neither those girls nor the league well.  That's why I'm wondering if #2 would apply here.  However, I don't know for sure, which is why I'm asking.

aTmAg,

Do you know first hand that the entire '98 LP Elite team is going to be the new Solar ECNL team or are you just speculating.  My understanding is that CP is bringhing his team and staying in LH but will dual roster some of his players.  I do not see how Solar would allow 17 girls who have committed to the Solar ECNL team for next year already be pushed out the door.  Plus while the LP Elite team is a great team with great players not everyone on that roster is better than every girl on the Solar ECNL roster.  Plus I am not 100% sure all the LP Elite girls want to go ECNL.  If they did I would have bet they would have already left.

I don't know anybody involved in any way.  So it is all speculating.  The reason I assume that is that if it really was a few girls here and there on that team who wanted to try ECNL, then they could have done so while still playing for Liverpool Elite.  ECNL is not associated with North Texas in any way.  So a player can play for Liverpool Elite at LHGCL at the same time playing for one of the ECNL teams.  It is no different than a Liverpool Elite player playing with a friend on their indoor team.  So one Liverpool girl could play ECNL for Sting, another for the Texans, etc.  (The cost of that could be pretty damned high though. Unless the LP team doesn't travel much)

So it seems to me that one big reason for Elite may want to leave as a team would be to stay together as a team.  So then the coach would contact ECNL clubs and ask them which is more likely to keep the team together.  Perhaps Solar said they would.  Another possibility is that they didn't think they were getting enough college looks at Liverpool.  But I find that sorta hard to believe.

aTmAg wrote:....Another possibility is that they didn't think they were getting enough college looks at Liverpool.  But I find that sorta hard to believe.

Why? Where would they see LP play? Coaches don't come to LHGCL games and if they are playing at a showcase, chances are the coaches there are watching the ECNL games. The landscape has changed. Like it or not, the only place to really be seen is the ECNL.

I am glad this coach cares enough about his kids to look out for their best interests. I hope it works out for him.

The players interested in ECNL can simply dual roster with one of the existing ECNL teams then.  They will still be seen by colleges.

aTmAg wrote:The players interested in ECNL can simply dual roster with one of the existing ECNL teams then.  They will still be seen by colleges.

Do you understand what ECNL is? Teams play a league schedule of about 30 games. Interspersed with those games are the college showcases. How can a girl simply show up at those showcases and expect to play and be seen? I doubt there are many coaches or teams that would welcome a kid coming in and playing significant amounts without dedicating themselves to that team. In theory, it's fine. In reality, no way.

People dual roster right now.  It's not a new phenomena or anything.

aTmAg wrote:People dual roster right now.  It's not a new phenomena or anything.

 With different teams?

turftoe9 wrote:

aTmAg wrote:People dual roster right now.  It's not a new phenomena or anything.

 With different teams?

Yes, dd's dual roster with different clubs.  More than likely after a while they choose to only do ECNL.

The real point is that even to dual roster between an ECNL team and another team, requires that you try out and be requested as such by that ECNL team. You can't just decide to dual roster.

I'd think ECNL teams would be perfectly fine offering several of those girls an opportunity to dual roster.

I am not doubting their abilities, just stating that a player has to go through tryouts first. :-)

Agreed.  My point is that this is why I think that perhaps the Elite team will make the bulk of the Solar ECNL team.  Cuz they could have been trying out to dual roster for a long time now.  There would be no reason for the whole team to move if it was just a few players here and there.

aTmAg wrote:Agreed.  My point is that this is why I think that perhaps the Elite team will make the bulk of the Solar ECNL team.  Cuz they could have been trying out to dual roster for a long time now.  There would be no reason for the whole team to move if it was just a few players here and there.

Why are you so concerned with why they are moving?  Im sure Pulp and his players families have their reasons for moving. Those reasons may never be known, and thats ok.

Somebody asked if and why I assumed that.  So I answered.

Big Daddy wrote:

aTmAg wrote:Agreed.  My point is that this is why I think that perhaps the Elite team will make the bulk of the Solar ECNL team.  Cuz they could have been trying out to dual roster for a long time now.  There would be no reason for the whole team to move if it was just a few players here and there.

Why are you so concerned with why they are moving?  Im sure Pulp and his players families have their reasons for moving. Those reasons may never be known, and thats ok.

Why are you so concerned with why we are discussing this?  Im sure the posters and their friends have reasons for discussing.  Those reasons may never be known, and thats ok.

I think people at LP or going to LP, may want to know the reasons.  Similiar with people at Solar - why is this guy, a well know local coach, switching clubs.  The move does effect more than his teams, so I think wondering why isn't out of line.  Besides, aren't we here to debate and discuss items in our soccer world.  This is a forum, isn't it?