Solar coup?

Big Daddy wrote:

aTmAg wrote:Agreed.  My point is that this is why I think that perhaps the Elite team will make the bulk of the Solar ECNL team.  Cuz they could have been trying out to dual roster for a long time now.  There would be no reason for the whole team to move if it was just a few players here and there.

Why are you so concerned with why they are moving?  Im sure Pulp and his players families have their reasons for moving. Those reasons may never be known, and thats ok.

Why are you so concerned with why we are discussing this?  Im sure the posters and their friends have reasons for discussing.  Those reasons may never be known, and thats ok.

I think people at LP or going to LP, may want to know the reasons.  Similiar with people at Solar - why is this guy, a well know local coach, switching clubs.  The move does effect more than his teams, so I think wondering why isn't out of line.  Besides, aren't we here to debate and discuss items in our soccer world.  This is a forum, isn't it?

aTmAg wrote:The players interested in ECNL can simply dual roster with one of the existing ECNL teams then.  They will still be seen by colleges.

aTmAg

Your statement above is not entirely true.  An ECNL team can have up to TWO players that are dual rostered who are not a part of the ECNL parent club.  Those players are designated as "Discovery Players."  They can be rostered on an ECNL team and a team from a non-ECNL club.  With there being 5 ECNL clubs in NTX then up to 10 of the Liverpool '98 Elite girls could have been dual rostered on an ECNL team and Liverpool '98 Elite.  The 'Discovery Player' rule doesn't seem to be used that much by the ECNL clubs for girls that live in the city and I can understand why as it has lots of cons IMO.  It is usually used on girls that aren't from Texas or far away from Dallas so that they can play on a club team near their home for convenience and still travel to play with an ECNL club to be seen or get a higher level of competition etc.

outonthelimb wrote:

aTmAg wrote:The players interested in ECNL can simply dual roster with one of the existing ECNL teams then.  They will still be seen by colleges.

aTmAg

Your statement above is not entirely true.  An ECNL team can have up to TWO players that are dual rostered who are not a part of the ECNL parent club.  Those players are designated as "Discovery Players."  They can be rostered on an ECNL team and a team from a non-ECNL club.  With there being 5 ECNL clubs in NTX then up to 10 of the Liverpool '98 Elite girls could have been dual rostered on an ECNL team and Liverpool '98 Elite.  The 'Discovery Player' rule doesn't seem to be used that much by the ECNL clubs for girls that live in the city and I can understand why as it has lots of cons IMO.  It is usually used on girls that aren't from Texas or far away from Dallas so that they can play on a club team near their home for convenience and still travel to play with an ECNL club to be seen or get a higher level of competition etc.

Do these players typically pay both clubs fees?

soccerdad1969 wrote:

outonthelimb wrote:

aTmAg wrote:The players interested in ECNL can simply dual roster with one of the existing ECNL teams then.  They will still be seen by colleges.

aTmAg

Your statement above is not entirely true.  An ECNL team can have up to TWO players that are dual rostered who are not a part of the ECNL parent club.  Those players are designated as "Discovery Players."  They can be rostered on an ECNL team and a team from a non-ECNL club.  With there being 5 ECNL clubs in NTX then up to 10 of the Liverpool '98 Elite girls could have been dual rostered on an ECNL team and Liverpool '98 Elite.  The 'Discovery Player' rule doesn't seem to be used that much by the ECNL clubs for girls that live in the city and I can understand why as it has lots of cons IMO.  It is usually used on girls that aren't from Texas or far away from Dallas so that they can play on a club team near their home for convenience and still travel to play with an ECNL club to be seen or get a higher level of competition etc.

Do these players typically pay both clubs fees?

I have no specifics there but I would imagine it may depend on how good that player is or how good of a negotiator the parent is.

Uncle Numanga wrote:

aTmAg wrote:....Another possibility is that they didn't think they were getting enough college looks at Liverpool.  But I find that sorta hard to believe.

Why?  Where would they see LP play?  Coaches don't come to LHGCL games and if they are playing at a showcase, chances are the coaches there are watching the ECNL games.  The landscape has changed.  Like it or not, the only place to really be seen is the ECNL.

I am glad this coach cares enough about his kids to look out for their best interests.  I hope it works out for him.

Not entirely true.  I'm not arguing that ECNL is the 'best' place or easiest place to be seen, but coaches attending showcases also see top-level teams other than ECNL.  My DD's team was in Colorado for memorial day and there were at least 20 college coachs watching the game between 2 non-ECNL teams that were U16 (technically not even eligable to be recruited yet).

berserker13 wrote:

Uncle Numanga wrote:

aTmAg wrote:....Another possibility is that they didn't think they were getting enough college looks at Liverpool.  But I find that sorta hard to believe.

Why?  Where would they see LP play?  Coaches don't come to LHGCL games and if they are playing at a showcase, chances are the coaches there are watching the ECNL games.  The landscape has changed.  Like it or not, the only place to really be seen is the ECNL.

I am glad this coach cares enough about his kids to look out for their best interests.  I hope it works out for him.

Not entirely true.  I'm not arguing that ECNL is the 'best' place or easiest place to be seen, but coaches attending showcases also see top-level teams other than ECNL.  My DD's team was in Colorado for memorial day and there were at least 20 college coachs watching the game between 2 non-ECNL teams that were U16 (technically not even eligable to be recruited yet).

berserker13, Isn't your statement more the exception than the rule?  If you read enough postings on this forum it seems like the posters against ECNL are people that don't have the opportunity to participate, or posters that have friends that have a bad taste in their mouth about the whole process.  But, like Unc said "The landscape has changed," and while there are other avenues of getting noticed, ECNL seems to be the best currently.  The money issue seems to come up a lot as well, but I'd argue that most people willing to pay club dues are willing to pay just a little extra for the ECNL competition and exposure.

I think that the mere reasons behind this very thread is yet another referendum on ECNL vs non-ECNL.  The flagship in NTX for National League and other non-ECNL leagues being as good for exposure as ECNL was the LP 98 team and its coach.   To my knowledge neither CP nor the parents were here boasting but they represented a top notch team that was going to create a new rule....not just an exception.   Now both the team and the coach are headed to an ECNL club and presumably ECNL team status (or some number of them being dual rostered).

In a weird sort of way (since I had nothing to lose) I wanted them to keep up the good fight and actually succeed at it.  However, it's easy for the spectator to root for the underdog since the spectator doesn't have to suffer the consequences of the heavyweight fight.

outonthelimb wrote:I think that the mere reasoning behind this very thread is yet another referendum on ECNL vs non-ECNL.  The poster child in NTX for National League and other non-ECNL leagues being as good for exposure as ECNL was the LP 98 team and it's coach.   Not that CP or the parents were here boasting but rather what they represented.  A top notch team that was going to create a new rule....not just an exception.   Both of which are headed to an ECNL club and presumably ECNL team status (or some number of them being dual rostered).

In a weird sort of way (since I had nothing to lose) I wanted them to keep up the good fight and actually succeed at it.  However, it's easy for the spectator to root for the underdog since the spectator doesn't have to suffer the consequences of the heavyweight fight.

This team and coach were LP flagship against ECNL. That flagship was sunk last week. What to do now?

It will be interesting now to see if those teams stay together and keep the byes or if LP tries to slide in a much lower ranked team into each D1 spot?

Do they have others? CP will look to move the team with 75% in tow. Solar will want the LHGCL d-1 slots.

I heard through the grapevine that "lots" of the '98 LPE girls already left the team.  However, I dismissed that as a bad rumor.  Maybe someone at LP heard he was leaving and taking the bye and wanted to start a scramble?

Just an Observer wrote:I heard through the grapevine that "lots" of the '98 LPE girls already left the team.  However, I dismissed that as a bad rumor.  Maybe someone at LP heard he was leaving and taking the bye and wanted to start a scramble?

This will all come to a head by August 1. If I was LP I would be scrambling too.

I have now heard that they will stay in LHGCL.  That not only have they retained 75%, but might have retained 100% (too early to tell, obviously).  So that means that Solar will have 2 D1 teams.

aTmAg wrote:I have now heard that they will stay in LHGCL.  That not only have they retained 75%, but might have retained 100% (too early to tell, obviously).  So that means that Solar will have 2 D1 teams.

This move was probably calculated weeks ago. CP's players played for him not the club.

if pulp leaves his team will have to retain 75% on a CL roster otherwise the bye will stay with LP.  His leaving would be a big loss for liverpool and possibly highlights organizational problems.  LP is so busy growing bigger they are losing the focus on being different or better.  In the end will end up being just another really big club

go99 wrote:if pulp leaves his team will have to retain 75% on a CL roster otherwise the bye will stay with LP.  His leaving would be a big loss for liverpool and possibly highlights organizational problems.  LP is so busy growing bigger they are losing the focus on being different or better.  In the end will end up being just another really big club

How were they ever different or better??  The RASE uniforms?

never said they were.  But as they grew they had the opportunity to take a different path than the other mega clubs or they could just become one of them

What am I missing?  There are a lot of factual statements issued, then followed by back-peddling when asked directly to clarify.  I haven't been on forum long enough to know how these things play out.  

I thought it was a shame that such a good team/coach not getting deserved college exposure, but there was so much rationalizing, defending the LP status quo so I figured it wasn't a CP/LP concern. Everything I have seen here seems to imply its a good move for the team, but I am not seeing the benefit of the move for the girls, unless there is some unknown club concern. 

It's a lot of big dogs in one place--It's hard to see Solca or those parents standing asides for anyone... If the common wisdom is that CP is moving to get his girls better exposure, but not taking them ECNL seems like the same issue, different address. If CP only lost 3 players to ECNL teams, ECNL may not be the motivating force for the girls that stayed... What is gained from the move?

Packrabbit wrote:What am I missing?  There are a lot of factual statements issued, then followed by back-peddling when asked directly to clarify.  I haven't been on forum long enough to know how these things play out.  

I thought it was a shame that such a good team/coach not getting deserved college exposure, but there was so much rationalizing, defending the LP status quo so I figured it wasn't a CP/LP concern. Everything I have seen here seems to imply its a good move for the team, but I am not seeing the benefit of the move for the girls, unless there is some unknown club concern. 

It's a lot of big dogs in one place--It's hard to see Solca or those parents standing asides for anyone... If the common wisdom is that CP is moving to get his girls better exposure, but not taking them ECNL seems like the same issue, different address. If CP only lost 3 players to ECNL teams, ECNL may not be the motivating force for the girls that stayed... What is gained from the move?

The benefits are not having to explain who Liverpool is to college coaches and why your dd is playing for them. They all know Texans, Sting, Solar, Feet and FC Dallas. And also where to see them.

it seems from previous rumors that CP's players were already looking at ECNL teams, so instead of losing the whole group he made the move to keep his team and also give them the opportunity to play ECNL

funny thing is, I heard that CP stood in front of all the LP coaches and explained how LP didn't need ECNL and National League would be just fine, this was back in January, guess he didn't think that one through

i don't think LP knows how or wants to get into ECNL, they just want to grow, grow, grow...but the uniforms and website are nice

Uncle Numanga wrote:

Packrabbit wrote:What am I missing?  There are a lot of factual statements issued, then followed by back-peddling when asked directly to clarify.  I haven't been on forum long enough to know how these things play out.  

I thought it was a shame that such a good team/coach not getting deserved college exposure, but there was so much rationalizing, defending the LP status quo so I figured it wasn't a CP/LP concern. Everything I have seen here seems to imply its a good move for the team, but I am not seeing the benefit of the move for the girls, unless there is some unknown club concern. 

It's a lot of big dogs in one place--It's hard to see Solca or those parents standing asides for anyone... If the common wisdom is that CP is moving to get his girls better exposure, but not taking them ECNL seems like the same issue, different address. If CP only lost 3 players to ECNL teams, ECNL may not be the motivating force for the girls that stayed... What is gained from the move?

The benefits are not having to explain who Liverpool is to college coaches and why your dd is playing for them.  They all know Texans, Sting, Solar, Feet and FC Dallas.  And also where to see them.  

Really, if you thought for a minute this move was about the players, shame on you! Coaches aspire to coach at the elite level. They will find a way to get there. CP just made a good career move. This will all be forgotten when he wins his first ECNL national title. Good Luck and give them hell CP!

Uncle Numanga wrote:

Packrabbit wrote:What am I missing?  There are a lot of factual statements issued, then followed by back-peddling when asked directly to clarify.  I haven't been on forum long enough to know how these things play out.  concern. Everything I have seen here seems to imply its a good

I thought it was a shame that such a good team/coach not getting deserved college exposure, but there was so much rationalizing, defending the LP status quo so I figured it wasn't a CP/LP move for the team, but I am not seeing the benefit of the move for the girls, unless there is some unknown club concern. 

It's a lot of big dogs in one place--It's hard to see Solca or those parents standing asides for anyone... If the common wisdom is that CP is moving to get his girls better exposure, but not taking them ECNL seems like the same issue, different address. If CP only lost 3 players to ECNL teams, ECNL may not be the motivating force for the girls that stayed... What is gained from the move?

The benefits are not having to explain who Liverpool is to college coaches and why your dd is playing for them.  They all know Texans, Sting, Solar, Feet and FC Dallas.  And also where to see them.  

I really hope that was a joke and you don't really believe college coaches have no idea who the 3rd largest club in NTX is.  No doubt ECNL gets you a leg up with college rucruiting but surely you don't think that the Non ECNL girls gets some sort of proximity bonus.  "Hey look at me.  I couldn't get onto the ECNL team but my club has ECNL so that counts right"  Girls on those CL teams are no better off than the girls on LP or some indie team for that matter.  All of the college coaches know Pupl's teams not because they are LP but because they win.  If he goes and gets to coach ECNL then great move up for him.  Doesn't mean much for the girls though.  If they were good enough to go ECNL they could go anytime.  Now the good girls are stuck in a position of not being able to make that jump without costing their friends the bye.

UEFA wrote:

Uncle Numanga wrote:

Packrabbit wrote:What am I missing?  There are a lot of factual statements issued, then followed by back-peddling when asked directly to clarify.  I haven't been on forum long enough to know how these things play out.  

I thought it was a shame that such a good team/coach not getting deserved college exposure, but there was so much rationalizing, defending the LP status quo so I figured it wasn't a CP/LP concern. Everything I have seen here seems to imply its a good move for the team, but I am not seeing the benefit of the move for the girls, unless there is some unknown club concern. 

It's a lot of big dogs in one place--It's hard to see Solca or those parents standing asides for anyone... If the common wisdom is that CP is moving to get his girls better exposure, but not taking them ECNL seems like the same issue, different address. If CP only lost 3 players to ECNL teams, ECNL may not be the motivating force for the girls that stayed... What is gained from the move?

The benefits are not having to explain who Liverpool is to college coaches and why your dd is playing for them.  They all know Texans, Sting, Solar, Feet and FC Dallas.  And also where to see them.  

Really, if you thought for a minute this move was about the players, shame on you! Coaches aspire to coach at the elite level. They will find a way to get there. CP just made a good career move. This will all be forgotten when he wins his first ECNL national title. Good Luck and give them hell CP!

Oh and if my DD's coach had made the jump I probably would have too

go99 wrote:

Uncle Numanga wrote:

Packrabbit wrote:What am I missing?  There are a lot of factual statements issued, then followed by back-peddling when asked directly to clarify.  I haven't been on forum long enough to know how these things play out.  concern. Everything I have seen here seems to imply its a good

I thought it was a shame that such a good team/coach not getting deserved college exposure, but there was so much rationalizing, defending the LP status quo so I figured it wasn't a CP/LP move for the team, but I am not seeing the benefit of the move for the girls, unless there is some unknown club concern. 

It's a lot of big dogs in one place--It's hard to see Solca or those parents standing asides for anyone... If the common wisdom is that CP is moving to get his girls better exposure, but not taking them ECNL seems like the same issue, different address. If CP only lost 3 players to ECNL teams, ECNL may not be the motivating force for the girls that stayed... What is gained from the move?

The benefits are not having to explain who Liverpool is to college coaches and why your dd is playing for them.  They all know Texans, Sting, Solar, Feet and FC Dallas.  And also where to see them.  

I really hope that was a joke and you don't really believe college coaches have no idea who the 3rd largest club in NTX is.  No doubt ECNL gets you a leg up with college rucruiting but surely you don't think that the Non ECNL girls gets some sort of proximity bonus.  "Hey look at me.  I couldn't get onto the ECNL team but my club has ECNL so that counts right"  Girls on those CL teams are no better off than the girls on LP or some indie team for that matter.  All of the college coaches know Pupl's teams not because they are LP but because they win.  If he goes and gets to coach ECNL then great move up for him.  Doesn't mean much for the girls though.  If they were good enough to go ECNL they could go anytime.  Now the good girls are stuck in a position of not being able to make that jump without costing their friends the bye.

So what I am getting from all this is, ECNL does matter and the LP should have named the club CP.

Uncle Numanga wrote:

Packrabbit wrote:What am I missing?  There are a lot of factual statements issued, then followed by back-peddling when asked directly to clarify.  I haven't been on forum long enough to know how these things play out.  

I thought it was a shame that such a good team/coach not getting deserved college exposure, but there was so much rationalizing, defending the LP status quo so I figured it wasn't a CP/LP concern. Everything I have seen here seems to imply its a good move for the team, but I am not seeing the benefit of the move for the girls, unless there is some unknown club concern. 

It's a lot of big dogs in one place--It's hard to see Solca or those parents standing asides for anyone... If the common wisdom is that CP is moving to get his girls better exposure, but not taking them ECNL seems like the same issue, different address. If CP only lost 3 players to ECNL teams, ECNL may not be the motivating force for the girls that stayed... What is gained from the move?

The benefits are not having to explain who Liverpool is to college coaches and why your dd is playing for them.  They all know Texans, Sting, Solar, Feet and FC Dallas.  And also where to see them.  

This is a ignorant statement of I havent heard one. Im guessing playing ECNL is the "ONLY" way to get into college and "NO" coaches in the history of coaching has "NEVER" heard of Liverpool??

PDub wrote:

Uncle Numanga wrote:

Packrabbit wrote:What am I missing?  There are a lot of factual statements issued, then followed by back-peddling when asked directly to clarify.  I haven't been on forum long enough to know how these things play out.  

I thought it was a shame that such a good team/coach not getting deserved college exposure, but there was so much rationalizing, defending the LP status quo so I figured it wasn't a CP/LP concern. Everything I have seen here seems to imply its a good move for the team, but I am not seeing the benefit of the move for the girls, unless there is some unknown club concern. 

It's a lot of big dogs in one place--It's hard to see Solca or those parents standing asides for anyone... If the common wisdom is that CP is moving to get his girls better exposure, but not taking them ECNL seems like the same issue, different address. If CP only lost 3 players to ECNL teams, ECNL may not be the motivating force for the girls that stayed... What is gained from the move?

The benefits are not having to explain who Liverpool is to college coaches and why your dd is playing for them.  They all know Texans, Sting, Solar, Feet and FC Dallas.  And also where to see them.  

This is a ignorant statement of I havent heard one.  Im guessing playing ECNL is the "ONLY" way to get into college and "NO" coaches in the history of coaching has "NEVER" heard of Liverpool??

Don't they play in the EPL?