'04 Girls FBR Rankings - 02-12-14

I can't keep up with all the stats but LFS seems to be RASE's claim to fame...oh and DTScott...I guess after kicking the snot out of those 2 teams it made no sense to play girls their age anymore? Otherwise, they've beat the same teams everyone else beats. Except for Dalglish...have they played or is it just safe to assume the outcome? No one outside blue sky would know...

I don't believe its DTS bashing "Time".
Maybe ....

Maybe just a little...

Ok, Ok, you right, there might be some DTS bashing about to begin but only because DTS is the only team that actually believe they can beat RASE.  Its been stated on this board DTS has a good team, but there has NOT been a clear and decisive separation between DTS and the rest of NTX '04 girls teams.  I can see if this was the case but its not, so there's doubt.

DTS beating LFS 2-1 is not impressive (no disrespect to LFS), its a good win, but that's just it.  You can always compare how DTS has faired against teams RASE played in the past and get you gage fix'n if that helps..

RASE is a different team since DTS last played them and from what I have seen from both teams, RASE has separated themselves even more further.

I saw RASE play two games in the Winter Blast against sub par 03 teams. While very impressive, they are still 10 and 11 year old girls who like everyone else, have weaknesses and can be beat.

Once again this is a STUPID conversation. DTS has done nothing to separate themselves from anybody. The wheel goes round and round. They beat LFS 2-1 this fall. LFS beat them twice prior to that. They beat DT Scott 1-0. Big deal. Spirit took them to PK's in the last tournament. There's your top 4. Where's the separation? I say agin.....please step away from the pipe.

I have an idea. Didn't I see a spot open at the LH tournament this weekend? Why doesn't DTS jump in there and let's see who takes home the trophy.

Cleansheets wrote:I saw RASE play two games in the Winter Blast against sub par 03 teams. While very impressive, they are still 10 and 11 year old girls who like everyone else, have weaknesses and can be beat.

It could happen, will it anytime soon, probably not.  There is this misconception what parents do, they put themselves in place of their kids out there on the playing field "WE CAN BEAT THEM".  When in reality, they're not looking at the big picture.

Living the dream and/or playing experiences through their kids and trying to rationalize how to beat a team that's two or three steps ahead.

ballboy wrote:Once again this is a STUPID conversation. DTS has done nothing to separate themselves from anybody. The wheel goes round and round. They beat LFS 2-1 this fall. LFS beat them twice prior to that. They beat DT Scott 1-0. Big deal. Spirit took them to PK's in the last tournament. There's your top 4. Where's the separation? I say agin.....please step away from the pipe.

Once again this is your STUPID way of comprehending.  It says nowhere in this thread that DTS is better than RASE. It simply says that DTS is better than your daughters team unless of course your daughters team is RASE.
Now outside of this debate...whats up with all the "bow down" mentality?!?  From competitiveness to conceding...may as well tell OKC Thunder or IND Pacers MIA Heat got it in the bag...bow down. Why shouldnt a DTS parent think or believe their daughter is capable of playing  against and beating the best? Pretty sure they work with their kids and take them to practice and pay fees like everyone else with hopes that it isnt in vain.
Shame on the parents who tell their DD otherwise. Spin it which ever way you may but it would be an interesting match to see regardless of the outcome.  And why bring up scores when its apparent the matchups play somewhat of a factor. Look what Dalglish does to LFS...nothing much shorter than what RASE did to them....just saying.

And spirit didnt take them to PK's. ?.get your facts straight to support your argument. ?.5-3 in overtime. DTS minus full line up that beat them 7-1 SDL 3-1 Plano

Except when it's cold!! Sorry Dalglish.

LFS seams to have added some girls?? Anyone confirm? I'm ready to see them vs Scott/DTS today. Did they final solved the Dalglish puzzle or get better?

Got better? Or did Dalglish take a step back or did LP Redknapp get better? LFS tied them 1-1

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:

Cleansheets wrote:I saw RASE play two games in the Winter Blast against sub par 03 teams. While very impressive, they are still 10 and 11 year old girls who like everyone else, have weaknesses and can be beat.

It could happen, will it anytime soon, probably not.  There is this misconception what parents do, they put themselves in place of their kids out there on the playing field "WE CAN BEAT THEM".  When in reality, they're not looking at the big picture.

Living the dream and/or playing experiences through their kids and trying to rationalize how to beat a team that's two or three steps ahead.

Umm.....ok.....don't know if that was just a generalization or if that was directed at me. If it was the latter then you are sadly mistaken soap.

Cleansheets wrote:

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:

Cleansheets wrote:I saw RASE play two games in the Winter Blast against sub par 03 teams. While very impressive, they are still 10 and 11 year old girls who like everyone else, have weaknesses and can be beat.

It could happen, will it anytime soon, probably not.  There is this misconception what parents do, they put themselves in place of their kids out there on the playing field "WE CAN BEAT THEM".  When in reality, they're not looking at the big picture.

Living the dream and/or playing experiences through their kids and trying to rationalize how to beat a team that's two or three steps ahead.

Umm.....ok.....don't know if that was just a generalization or if that was directed at me. If it was the latter then you are sadly mistaken soap.

In general ..

kixR4Adults2 wrote:Got better? Or did Dalglish take a step back or did LP Redknapp get better? LFS tied them 1-1

Thx for noticing, Kix.

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:

Cleansheets wrote:

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:

Cleansheets wrote:I saw RASE play two games in the Winter Blast against sub par 03 teams. While very impressive, they are still 10 and 11 year old girls who like everyone else, have weaknesses and can be beat.

It could happen, will it anytime soon, probably not.  There is this misconception what parents do, they put themselves in place of their kids out there on the playing field "WE CAN BEAT THEM".  When in reality, they're not looking at the big picture.

Living the dream and/or playing experiences through their kids and trying to rationalize how to beat a team that's two or three steps ahead.

Umm.....ok.....don't know if that was just a generalization or if that was directed at me. If it was the latter then you are sadly mistaken soap.

In general ..

Fair enough.

I think DTS is a good team. I don't think they have seperated from Scott, LFS or really spirit. Dalglish seems to have taken a temporary slide while they figure the roster out. It's not the first time DTS has made a little noise only to take losses and fall back into the pack. Sure let's go with the gap has closed and RASE hasn't played girls in a thousand years. After all while everybody else has been working hard RASE has been sitting back playing with their rainbow looms. Sure your DD should feel that she will beat RASE mine feels like she will beat SR04 boys this season (it's not going to happen). But feeling you can beat a team and feeling they don't deserve to be where they are is two different things.

ballboy wrote:I have an idea. Didn't I see a spot open at the LH tournament this weekend? Why doesn't DTS jump in there and let's see who takes home the trophy.

Why not rase?  Might be a nice exclamation point to this argument...for a while anyway.

Full Kit Wankers Beware wrote:

ballboy wrote:I have an idea. Didn't I see a spot open at the LH tournament this weekend? Why doesn't DTS jump in there and let's see who takes home the trophy.

Why not rase?  Might be a nice exclamation point to this argument...for a while anyway.

It won't.. Not until all top '04 teams have played them. There will still be doubt from someone!! Just saying..

I would question anyone who feels like RASE shouldnt be where they are in ranking. But I also wouldnt mind seeing the "gap" on display.... just a selfish gesture thats all.

kixR4Adults2 wrote:I would question anyone who feels like RASE shouldnt be where they are in ranking.  But I also wouldnt mind seeing the "gap" on display.... just a selfish gesture thats all.

What's a satisfying gap for some?? 4-0, 5-1, 6-2??

Not sure...

I would have love to see the top 5 abandon the girls this season and infest the boys league...they would all be defacto #1-5 and then just measure victories and loses against the boys. This is getting old to be honest.

kixR4Adults2 wrote:

ballboy wrote:Once again this is a STUPID conversation. DTS has done nothing to separate themselves from anybody. The wheel goes round and round. They beat LFS 2-1 this fall. LFS beat them twice prior to that. They beat DT Scott 1-0. Big deal. Spirit took them to PK's in the last tournament. There's your top 4. Where's the separation? I say agin.....please step away from the pipe.

Once again this is your STUPID way of comprehending.  It says nowhere in this thread that DTS is better than RASE. It simply says that DTS is better than your daughters team unless of course your daughters team is RASE.
Now outside of this debate...whats up with all the "bow down" mentality?!?  From competitiveness to conceding...may as well tell OKC Thunder or IND Pacers MIA Heat got it in the bag...bow down. Why shouldnt a DTS parent think or believe their daughter is capable of playing  against and beating the best? Pretty sure they work with their kids and take them to practice and pay fees like everyone else with hopes that it isnt in vain.
Shame on the parents who tell their DD otherwise. Spin it which ever way you may but it would be an interesting match to see regardless of the outcome.  And why bring up scores when its apparent the matchups play somewhat of a factor. Look what Dalglish does to LFS...nothing much shorter than what RASE did to them....just saying.

Did I mention RASE in this post? I think my point was made, overtime or PK's, there's no separation. Still a tie I believe in FBR. I guess I should "get my facts straight." Regardless of what team my daughter is on, if you think there is a clear separation between DTS and the other 4 or 5(6 if you want to count Dalglish cause they'll bounce back), then you are delusional and bias. You can't argue with the body of work and the difference in style of play from these teams. The results speak for themselves. If they're so much farther ahead, then why are they playing in Primetime instead of SDL this Spring? It looks to me like the better teams are in SDL.....just saying.

It seems like the gap has closed a bit in 3 v 3. Which in my mind means the individual skill level of each girl is getting closer.

However, in 11 v 11 I think RASE would still be dominating (for right now).
- They have been playing a higher level of soccer in 11 v 11 format for a longer period of time, so they will have an easier time elevating their game when/if they came up against a girls team that challenged them
- They are extremely confident and do not seem to tense up when they are challenged. Even if a girls team jumped to a 2-0 lead, there is no way RASE is laying down. If anyone beats them, it is going to take a full 60 min effort.
- Based on the two points above, I just don't see that happening in the short term.

So I split the difference. At the individual level, the girls are all catching up to RASE players. But I don't think any team is quite where they need to be in order to beat RASE 11 v 11 - yet.

Full Kit Wankers Beware wrote:

ballboy wrote:I have an idea. Didn't I see a spot open at the LH tournament this weekend? Why doesn't DTS jump in there and let's see who takes home the trophy.

Why not rase?  Might be a nice exclamation point to this argument...for a while anyway.

The exclamation point is there. Some just want to stir the pot. Keep working, Fall/Spring is just around the corner.

ballboy wrote:

kixR4Adults2 wrote:

ballboy wrote:Once again this is a STUPID conversation. DTS has done nothing to separate themselves from anybody. The wheel goes round and round. They beat LFS 2-1 this fall. LFS beat them twice prior to that. They beat DT Scott 1-0. Big deal. Spirit took them to PK's in the last tournament. There's your top 4. Where's the separation? I say agin.....please step away from the pipe.

Once again this is your STUPID way of comprehending.  It says nowhere in this thread that DTS is better than RASE. It simply says that DTS is better than your daughters team unless of course your daughters team is RASE.
Now outside of this debate...whats up with all the "bow down" mentality?!?  From competitiveness to conceding...may as well tell OKC Thunder or IND Pacers MIA Heat got it in the bag...bow down. Why shouldnt a DTS parent think or believe their daughter is capable of playing  against and beating the best? Pretty sure they work with their kids and take them to practice and pay fees like everyone else with hopes that it isnt in vain.
Shame on the parents who tell their DD otherwise. Spin it which ever way you may but it would be an interesting match to see regardless of the outcome.  And why bring up scores when its apparent the matchups play somewhat of a factor. Look what Dalglish does to LFS...nothing much shorter than what RASE did to them....just saying.

Did I mention RASE in this post?  I think my point was made, overtime or PK's, there's no separation.  Still a tie I believe in FBR. I guess I should "get my facts straight."  Regardless of what team my daughter is on, if you think there is a clear separation between DTS and the other 4 or 5(6 if you want to count Dalglish cause they'll bounce back), then you are delusional and bias.  You can't argue with the body of work and the difference in style of play from these teams. The results speak for themselves. If they're so much farther ahead, then why are they playing in Primetime instead of SDL this Spring? It looks to me like the better teams are in SDL.....just saying.

I didnt say further ahead I just said better than your daughters team. And im not considering FBR criteria just wins and loses. And there is enough equal competition in PT vs SDL... Barnes, Scarfone, Dalglish only missing chacon ascott, Spirit, and LFS but according to you...what does that matter?

watzgerald wrote:It seems like the gap has closed a bit in 3 v 3. Which in my mind means the individual skill level of each girl is getting closer.

However, in 11 v 11 I think RASE would still be dominating (for right now).
- They have been playing a higher level of soccer in 11 v 11 format for a longer period of time, so they will have an easier time elevating their game when/if they came up against a girls team that challenged them
- They are extremely confident and do not seem to tense up when they are challenged. Even if a girls team jumped to a 2-0 lead, there is no way RASE is laying down. If anyone beats them, it is going to take a full 60 min effort.
- Based on the two points above, I just don't see that happening in the short term.

So I split the difference. At the individual level, the girls are all catching up to RASE players. But I don't think any team is quite where they need to be in order to beat RASE 11 v 11 - yet.

I will say where I see the difference and I don't think the individual level has changed. The times I have seen 04 teams play I have seen some girls as good as girls on the RASE team. The difference is while most teams have a girl or two that stand out above the rest of the team, RASE has an entire team at that level.

That being said RASE will struggle thru the same issues going into qualifying as everyone else and hopefully come thru intact. Players thinking I could be a standout star on this other team, I could start on another team, the sweet siren song of the ECNL, new talented players coming in, complacency (feeling that I have already made the team). Everything is a balancing act that the team and coach have to manage. Being a "top" team doesn't make it easier, infact the target and expectations make it harder.

All this is fun, but I think its safe to say that RASE, DTS, Spirit, and the rest of the top 5 (+1) are pretty secure in being in D1 LHGCL come fall.
All y'all should be proud and excited for the fall.

The FBR does not take into account player movement/assimilation of those players into their new team/the effect of the loss of the player to the former team/etc...Which happens at breakneck speed during this time - there is no way the FBR can keep up. So don't obsess over a spot or two...even if its RASE. With no ECNL at LP, (and/or burnout) the RASE girls will be moving sooner or later to find a system that meets their individual player needs.