'04 Girls FBR Rankings - 02-12-14

All this is fun, but I think its safe to say that RASE, DTS, Spirit, and the rest of the top 5 (+1) are pretty secure in being in D1 LHGCL come fall.
All y'all should be proud and excited for the fall.

The FBR does not take into account player movement/assimilation of those players into their new team/the effect of the loss of the player to the former team/etc...Which happens at breakneck speed during this time - there is no way the FBR can keep up. So don't obsess over a spot or two...even if its RASE. With no ECNL at LP, (and/or burnout) the RASE girls will be moving sooner or later to find a system that meets their individual player needs.

I will have to disagree. As the girls age, grow, become more coordinated, the gap is closing at the individual level.

kixR4Adults2 wrote:

ballboy wrote:

kixR4Adults2 wrote:

ballboy wrote:Once again this is a STUPID conversation. DTS has done nothing to separate themselves from anybody. The wheel goes round and round. They beat LFS 2-1 this fall. LFS beat them twice prior to that. They beat DT Scott 1-0. Big deal. Spirit took them to PK's in the last tournament. There's your top 4. Where's the separation? I say agin.....please step away from the pipe.

Once again this is your STUPID way of comprehending.  It says nowhere in this thread that DTS is better than RASE. It simply says that DTS is better than your daughters team unless of course your daughters team is RASE.
Now outside of this debate...whats up with all the "bow down" mentality?!?  From competitiveness to conceding...may as well tell OKC Thunder or IND Pacers MIA Heat got it in the bag...bow down. Why shouldnt a DTS parent think or believe their daughter is capable of playing  against and beating the best? Pretty sure they work with their kids and take them to practice and pay fees like everyone else with hopes that it isnt in vain.
Shame on the parents who tell their DD otherwise. Spin it which ever way you may but it would be an interesting match to see regardless of the outcome.  And why bring up scores when its apparent the matchups play somewhat of a factor. Look what Dalglish does to LFS...nothing much shorter than what RASE did to them....just saying.

Did I mention RASE in this post?  I think my point was made, overtime or PK's, there's no separation.  Still a tie I believe in FBR. I guess I should "get my facts straight."  Regardless of what team my daughter is on, if you think there is a clear separation between DTS and the other 4 or 5(6 if you want to count Dalglish cause they'll bounce back), then you are delusional and bias.  You can't argue with the body of work and the difference in style of play from these teams. The results speak for themselves. If they're so much farther ahead, then why are they playing in Primetime instead of SDL this Spring? It looks to me like the better teams are in SDL.....just saying.

I didnt say further ahead I just said better than your daughters team. And im not considering FBR criteria just wins and loses. And there is enough equal competition in PT vs SDL... Barnes, Scarfone, Dalglish only missing chacon ascott, Spirit, and LFS but according to you...what does that matter?

Ok, I'll continue to humor you since I have some time on my hands. Based on the 4 teams in SDL and the 3 teams you mentioned in PT and I'll add the next in line Odyssey(however I believe it's Lady Aztecs, but Odyssey benefits your argument), the W/L record is SDL 45-11 vs PT with a record of 46-21. How can you say this is this equal competition?

watzgerald wrote:It seems like the gap has closed a bit in 3 v 3. Which in my mind means the individual skill level of each girl is getting closer.

However, in 11 v 11 I think RASE would still be dominating (for right now).
- They have been playing a higher level of soccer in 11 v 11 format for a longer period of time, so they will have an easier time elevating their game when/if they came up against a girls team that challenged them
- They are extremely confident and do not seem to tense up when they are challenged. Even if a girls team jumped to a 2-0 lead, there is no way RASE is laying down. If anyone beats them, it is going to take a full 60 min effort.
- Based on the two points above, I just don't see that happening in the short term.

So I split the difference. At the individual level, the girls are all catching up to RASE players. But I don't think any team is quite where they need to be in order to beat RASE 11 v 11 - yet.

I agree with that.

well I guess that would be a case of it closing on everyone. So on your own team has the gap between the top girl and the rest closed? For the few teams that I saw it has not. The girl on DTS clearly stood out as "oh she must be the girl they are talking about"

Yes, for sure. The girls are getting closer in skill-level. And as a result it is helping our team play considerably. As everyone continues to play together I think all the girls get more comfortable in their role/position on the team. This means they are more confident and don't look to the "top" girls to carry the weight of the team. Overall I would say our team is very close top to bottom in skill level.

go99 wrote:well I guess that would be a case of it closing on everyone.  So on your own team has the gap between the top girl and the rest closed?  For the few teams that I saw it has not.  The girl on DTS clearly stood out as "oh she must be the girl they are talking about"

...on offense.
She is everything to watch...but defense on both sides of field is like a unit.

Not a pissing contest but stand out...all I hear is RASE center mid.

Oh...and "Dalglish sweeper" lol...only because of that monicker tho...

go99 wrote:well I guess that would be a case of it closing on everyone.  So on your own team has the gap between the top girl and the rest closed?  For the few teams that I saw it has not.  The girl on DTS clearly stood out as "oh she must be the girl they are talking about"

Ok, well you have picked the MOST extreme example to make a point.

DTS striker would be a stand out for her position on RASE. While RASE has overall a better collection of shooters than DTS, there is no girl in the 04 age group who can hit like DTS striker with BOTH feet being 100% equally as good. I hear she is at over 5K juggles as well. She may not be the best 1 on 1 specialist or best defender or even best passer, but make no mistake she is the best striker in that age group.

she is a great player but there are games she doesn't score at all and then games she kills it. But that is a perfect example. We have way more girls at that level than other teams. But I would like to add that they key to stopping rase is to put all of the bodies in the center to stop her. You can leave the wings open because there is nothing to see out there. Particuarly the left side. You can leave that side open or just put your slowest weakest players there.

I didn't say she was the team...just all I hear about. I hear a real game changer to say the least.

go99 wrote:she is a great player but there are games she doesn't score at all and then games she kills it. But that is a perfect example.  We have way more girls at that level than other teams.  But I would like to add that they key to stopping rase is to put all of the bodies in the center to stop her.  You can leave the wings open because there is nothing to see out there.  Particuarly the left side.  You can leave that side open or just put your slowest weakest players there.

RASE has best overall defense, best defensive Mid, best devastating Mid (best 04 player currently), best passing Mid, best wingers and overall fastest forwards. Not sure about the keepers as they don't always seem to be the same kid each game. That's what the other teams have to aim for. Not to say it can't be done just where we are at the moment.

Master Bates wrote:

go99 wrote:she is a great player but there are games she doesn't score at all and then games she kills it. But that is a perfect example.  We have way more girls at that level than other teams.  But I would like to add that they key to stopping rase is to put all of the bodies in the center to stop her.  You can leave the wings open because there is nothing to see out there.  Particuarly the left side.  You can leave that side open or just put your slowest weakest players there.

RASE has best overall defense, best defensive Mid, best devastating Mid (best 04 player currently), best passing Mid, best wingers and overall fastest forwards. Not sure about the keepers as they don't always seem to be the same kid each game. That's what the other teams have to aim for. Not to say it can't be done just where we are at the moment.

For the life of me, I can't imagine why people like to poke the modest RASE supporters. I mean, per them, they are only stating the facts. Or what they perceive them to be.

Who knew they were so modest.

RASE has deprived us...guess I was too worried about my own daughters team to witness...not being sarcastic either

Why would RASE play girls? They are too busy walking on water.

Shelby427 wrote:

go99 wrote:well I guess that would be a case of it closing on everyone.  So on your own team has the gap between the top girl and the rest closed?  For the few teams that I saw it has not.  The girl on DTS clearly stood out as "oh she must be the girl they are talking about"

Ok, well you have picked the MOST extreme example to make a point.

DTS striker would be a stand out for her position on RASE. While RASE has overall a better collection of shooters than DTS, there is no girl in the 04 age group who can hit like DTS striker with BOTH feet being 100% equally as good. I hear she is at over 5K juggles as well. She may not be the best 1 on 1 specialist or best defender or even best passer, but make no mistake she is the best striker in that age group.

Well I will disagree with the best striker but the point is have the other girls closed the gap on her? If they have not closed the gap on her then why whould they close the gap on rase players. I think maybe my point is getting missed. She is a great player (for a number of reasons) the player at spirit was a great player (haven't seen her recently) We have a greater number of players who are that good. Then those player go from standout individuals to playing as a group over a number of seasons together. Also 2 times a week our strikers have to try and find success against possibly the dest defender in the age group plus the legendary dalglish sweeper. They are keeping girl from scoring who are faster than her, and least 1 is definitely a better 1v1 player, or bigger than her from scoring. The CM that was mentioned. Guess what twice a week you have to combine with her or beat her.

Maybe if i put it this way. ECNL teams aren't better because the change the name or magical ECNL juice. Where a good CL team may have a few top level girls the ECNL will have way more of those girls and then train them and they push each other.

^ facetious...funny...but facetious...

In regards to the walking on water comment...

And GO...she is the best striker...04...hands down. Typed with sheer confidence. Ask Spirit.

jsullivan81 wrote:

Master Bates wrote:

go99 wrote:she is a great player but there are games she doesn't score at all and then games she kills it. But that is a perfect example.  We have way more girls at that level than other teams.  But I would like to add that they key to stopping rase is to put all of the bodies in the center to stop her.  You can leave the wings open because there is nothing to see out there.  Particuarly the left side.  You can leave that side open or just put your slowest weakest players there.

RASE has best overall defense, best defensive Mid, best devastating Mid (best 04 player currently), best passing Mid, best wingers and overall fastest forwards. Not sure about the keepers as they don't always seem to be the same kid each game. That's what the other teams have to aim for. Not to say it can't be done just where we are at the moment.

For the life of me, I can't imagine why people like to poke the modest RASE supporters. I mean, per them, they are only stating the facts. Or what they perceive them to be.

Who knew they were so modest.

Difference between them and the rest is looks like the girls have a specific job to do on the team and excel at it. It's not as easy as lining up Defense, Midfield and Attack then saying "Y'all can play now!" Looks to me like the RASE players are just a bit more advanced. Don't know whether it's coaching, natural ability or whatever it just seems to work. That doesn't mean that they can't be caught there are some diamonds out there that just need a polish.

Ask city futsal staff too.

jsullivan81 wrote:Why would RASE play girls? They are too busy walking on water.

That what my dd does instead of juggling. JK (for those that diddn't know)

Personally I think there are girls who are every bit as good as RASE. My only point was RASE has a greater number of them

I guess my other point was the gap will close on the girls at RASE at the same rate they close on the other top girls in the league. So if the girls at the bottom of your team are closing on the girls at the top then guess what? They are probably closing on the rase girls too.

but for the record I tell my DD all the time there is a girl working really hard right now in NTX. She wants your jersey and your time on the field. It's up to you if she gets it or not.

kixR4Adults2 wrote:^ facetious...funny...but facetious...

In regards to the walking on water comment...

And GO...she is the best striker...04...hands down. Typed with sheer confidence. Ask Spirit.

But, is she the best striker when it's 100 degrees? Or in tournaments?

kixR4Adults2 wrote:Ask city futsal staff too.

Did RASE and DTS play at City Futsal this season?

kixR4Adults2 wrote:^ facetious...funny...but facetious...

In regards to the walking on water comment...

And GO...she is the best striker...04...hands down. Typed with sheer confidence. Ask Spirit.

I will take your word as the overall best striker. She is slower than one RASE forward and her 1v1 skill was behind the other RASE forward (probably slower too). She might be bettter than both but I guarantee she would have to fight to start on RASE. And have to fight every week to keep starting. Not even sure she would be taking free kicks here.

go99 wrote:

kixR4Adults2 wrote:^ facetious...funny...but facetious...

In regards to the walking on water comment...

And GO...she is the best striker...04...hands down. Typed with sheer confidence. Ask Spirit.

I will take your word as the overall best striker.  She is slower than one RASE forward and her 1v1 skill was behind the other RASE forward (probably slower too).  She might be bettter than both but I guarantee she would have to fight to start on RASE. And have to fight every week to keep starting.  Not even sure she would be taking free kicks here.

That my friend...is ludicrous.

Free kicks, corners, pks, and put your daughters kick stand down on her huffy. Lol

And PoBoy...funny...but also facetious.

kixR4Adults2 wrote:

go99 wrote:

kixR4Adults2 wrote:^ facetious...funny...but facetious...

In regards to the walking on water comment...

And GO...she is the best striker...04...hands down. Typed with sheer confidence. Ask Spirit.

I will take your word as the overall best striker.  She is slower than one RASE forward and her 1v1 skill was behind the other RASE forward (probably slower too).  She might be bettter than both but I guarantee she would have to fight to start on RASE. And have to fight every week to keep starting.  Not even sure she would be taking free kicks here.

That my friend...is ludicrous.

Free kicks, corners, pks, and put your daughters kick stand down on her huffy. Lol

And PoBoy...funny...but also facetious.

You're clueless on that one! The RASE mid has a better leg than most grown men.

go99 wrote:

Shelby427 wrote:

go99 wrote:well I guess that would be a case of it closing on everyone.  So on your own team has the gap between the top girl and the rest closed?  For the few teams that I saw it has not.  The girl on DTS clearly stood out as "oh she must be the girl they are talking about"

Ok, well you have picked the MOST extreme example to make a point.

DTS striker would be a stand out for her position on RASE. While RASE has overall a better collection of shooters than DTS, there is no girl in the 04 age group who can hit like DTS striker with BOTH feet being 100% equally as good. I hear she is at over 5K juggles as well. She may not be the best 1 on 1 specialist or best defender or even best passer, but make no mistake she is the best striker in that age group.

Well I will disagree with the best striker  but the point is have the other girls closed the gap on her?  If they have not closed the gap on her then why whould they close the gap on rase players.  I think maybe my point is getting missed. She is a great player (for a number of reasons) the player at spirit was a great player (haven't seen her recently) We have a greater number of players who are that good.  Then those player go from standout individuals to playing as a group over a number of seasons together.  Also 2 times a week our strikers have to try and find success against possibly the dest defender in the age group plus the legendary dalglish sweeper.  They are keeping girl from scoring who are faster than her, and least 1 is definitely a better 1v1 player,  or bigger than her from scoring.  The CM that was mentioned.  Guess what twice a week you have to combine with her or beat her.

Maybe if i put it this way.  ECNL teams aren't better because the change the name or magical ECNL juice.  Where a good CL team may have a few top level girls the ECNL will have way more of those girls and then train them and they push each other.

As far as training goes... no girl on RASE has it as hard as DTS 04 players going against DTS 03 defenders in practices...