CPP IN FULL FORCE THIS WEEKEND.

The LH board wrote the rule, had a meeting inviting all clubs and coaches, and approved it after. My understanding, anyways.

backofthenet wrote:The LH board wrote the rule, had a meeting inviting all clubs and coaches, and approved it after. My understanding, anyways.

Thanks "Backofthenet". Would like to know who voted yes and who voted no? Does it have to be unanimous? Or majority?

backofthenet wrote:The LH board wrote the rule, had a meeting inviting all clubs and coaches, and approved it after. My understanding, anyways.

There was a meeting in November or December, and there were about 10-12 coaches there, and the league reps were saying that the rule would not allow players to play in a lower division, or within the same division, due to reasons such as influencing promotion/relegation. The meeting was well-organized and all present had an opportunity to speak and make their points. There was no vote- this was a meeting to obtain input from the teams/clubs. However, it seems that something changed between that meeting and the final implementation of the rule.

Actually the club pass rule was a byproduct of the US Youth soccer Association. This initiative was started in 2011 and has now been incorporated down to our local level.

http://www.usyouthsoccer.org/news/us_youth_soccer_introduces_club_pass/

Vashmuka wrote:I would like to know how the CPP rule was passed. Board vote? Club vote? Coaches vote? Who takes responsibility for it. And what steps do you have to take to get rid of it? Who's idea was it? What club affiliation do they have? Who voted yes? Who voted no? What happen the first half of the season that deemed it necessary to change the staus quo? A little transparency would be nice. It's very easy to flip through the rules and copy and paste them on here (No disrespect). I would just like to know who was sitting at home when the light bulb went off in their head with the idea to create a rule that would give an unfair advantage to certain clubs?

NTX decided to put it in... Almost every other Association in the Country already has it or something close.... NTX allowed the different Leagues to use it or not and make their own adjustments... Great for the players when you can move a DIII player who has done well up to DII for a look... Also for a DI player who needs some touches and can get them on the DII team.... Of course the Clubs are using it to try and help some of their teams advance or keep their current spot.... From my evaluation as a networked parent and a Ref, teams with CPPs lose more than they win.... it is hard to drop a player into a team without any practice and expect them to get you a win.... I say it is an easy excuse for teams that do lose.... The big unfair CCP :-)

Vashmuka wrote:

backofthenet wrote:The LH board wrote the rule, had a meeting inviting all clubs and coaches, and approved it after. My understanding, anyways.

Thanks "Backofthenet". Would like to know who voted yes and who voted no? Does it have to be unanimous? Or majority?

Majority rules.  There is no requirement for a unanimous vote.

soccersounder wrote:

Vashmuka wrote:I would like to know how the CPP rule was passed. Board vote? Club vote? Coaches vote? Who takes responsibility for it. And what steps do you have to take to get rid of it? Who's idea was it? What club affiliation do they have? Who voted yes? Who voted no? What happen the first half of the season that deemed it necessary to change the staus quo? A little transparency would be nice. It's very easy to flip through the rules and copy and paste them on here (No disrespect). I would just like to know who was sitting at home when the light bulb went off in their head with the idea to create a rule that would give an unfair advantage to certain clubs?

NTX decided to put it in... Almost every other Association in the Country already has it or something close.... NTX allowed the different Leagues to use it or not and make their own adjustments... Great for the players when you can move a DIII player who has done well up to DII for a look... Also for a DI player who needs some touches and can get them on the DII team.... Of course the Clubs are using it to try and help some of their teams advance or keep their current spot.... From my evaluation as a networked parent and a Ref, teams with CPPs lose more than they win.... it is hard to drop a player into a team without any practice and expect them to get you a win.... I say it is an easy excuse for teams that do lose.... The big unfair CCP :-)

Agree 100%!

It's a team sport.

soccersounder wrote:

Vashmuka wrote:I would like to know how the CPP rule was passed. Board vote? Club vote? Coaches vote? Who takes responsibility for it. And what steps do you have to take to get rid of it? Who's idea was it? What club affiliation do they have? Who voted yes? Who voted no? What happen the first half of the season that deemed it necessary to change the staus quo? A little transparency would be nice. It's very easy to flip through the rules and copy and paste them on here (No disrespect). I would just like to know who was sitting at home when the light bulb went off in their head with the idea to create a rule that would give an unfair advantage to certain clubs?

NTX decided to put it in... Almost every other Association in the Country already has it or something close.... NTX allowed the different Leagues to use it or not and make their own adjustments... Great for the players when you can move a DIII player who has done well up to DII for a look... Also for a DI player who needs some touches and can get them on the DII team.... Of course the Clubs are using it to try and help some of their teams advance or keep their current spot.... From my evaluation as a networked parent and a Ref, teams with CPPs lose more than they win.... it is hard to drop a player into a team without any practice and expect them to get you a win.... I say it is an easy excuse for teams that do lose.... The big unfair CCP :-)

In the spirit of "Developement" I am all for bringing a player up from DIII to DII and from bringing a player up from DII to DI. However this is not what is happening on the weekends. Clubs are only moving players to other teams to gain advantage, and it is working. Who can't see this? I'll make a point to count all the rose colored glasses I see on the sidelines next weekend. Should be a good measure of all that are in favor of CPP. I'll also be sure to checkout the all the coaches with s... eating grins on their faces.

Thanks for clarification, intrinsic.

Doesn't sound like a good showing from coaches/clubs if only 10-12? Maybe we should start there?

cpp should only go up NEVER down. then it would be beneficial. as it is now, its a weapon to insure promotion or avoid relegation...

I agree

Vashmuka wrote:

soccersounder wrote:

Vashmuka wrote:I would like to know how the CPP rule was passed. Board vote? Club vote? Coaches vote? Who takes responsibility for it. And what steps do you have to take to get rid of it? Who's idea was it? What club affiliation do they have? Who voted yes? Who voted no? What happen the first half of the season that deemed it necessary to change the staus quo? A little transparency would be nice. It's very easy to flip through the rules and copy and paste them on here (No disrespect). I would just like to know who was sitting at home when the light bulb went off in their head with the idea to create a rule that would give an unfair advantage to certain clubs?

NTX decided to put it in... Almost every other Association in the Country already has it or something close.... NTX allowed the different Leagues to use it or not and make their own adjustments... Great for the players when you can move a DIII player who has done well up to DII for a look... Also for a DI player who needs some touches and can get them on the DII team.... Of course the Clubs are using it to try and help some of their teams advance or keep their current spot.... From my evaluation as a networked parent and a Ref, teams with CPPs lose more than they win.... it is hard to drop a player into a team without any practice and expect them to get you a win.... I say it is an easy excuse for teams that do lose.... The big unfair CCP :-)

In the spirit of "Developement" I am all for bringing a player up from DIII to DII and from bringing a player up from DII to DI. However this is not what is happening on the weekends. Clubs are only moving players to other teams to gain advantage, and it is working. Who can't see this? I'll make a point to count all the rose colored glasses I see on the sidelines next weekend. Should be a good measure of all that are in favor of CPP. I'll also be sure to checkout the all the coaches with s... eating grins on their faces.

I like the way you selectivley choose what you want to comment about... You skipped right over the part where teams with CPPs are losing more than they win..... I guess you're already one of the parents that can ONLY LOSE if the other team had an unfair advantage.. Every loss demands a "CCP in Full Force Thread", lol

silentparent wrote:cpp should only go up NEVER down. then it would be beneficial. as it is now, its a weapon to insure promotion or avoid relegation...

Well, it's not working.... So now what??

Are things on the girls side different then the boys? I refereed out at boys classic league and for the first time saw it denoted that there were the club player pass being used. I was also told that kids could not play down only up. interesting it seems to be different on girls side v guys side

Soccersounder, maybe you missed that Sting Richardson has won or tied all their games since CPP came into play. Coincidence? I think not.

Ekkeeper1, game day rosters denote CPP. CPP must be approved 48hrs in advance for weekend games, 24 hrs for weekday games.

IAKM, has anyone verified the rosters to confirm CPP has been used every game this spring? This information can easily be verified.

soccersounder wrote:

Vashmuka wrote:

soccersounder wrote:

Vashmuka wrote:I would like to know how the CPP rule was passed. Board vote? Club vote? Coaches vote? Who takes responsibility for it. And what steps do you have to take to get rid of it? Who's idea was it? What club affiliation do they have? Who voted yes? Who voted no? What happen the first half of the season that deemed it necessary to change the staus quo? A little transparency would be nice. It's very easy to flip through the rules and copy and paste them on here (No disrespect). I would just like to know who was sitting at home when the light bulb went off in their head with the idea to create a rule that would give an unfair advantage to certain clubs?

NTX decided to put it in... Almost every other Association in the Country already has it or something close.... NTX allowed the different Leagues to use it or not and make their own adjustments... Great for the players when you can move a DIII player who has done well up to DII for a look... Also for a DI player who needs some touches and can get them on the DII team.... Of course the Clubs are using it to try and help some of their teams advance or keep their current spot.... From my evaluation as a networked parent and a Ref, teams with CPPs lose more than they win.... it is hard to drop a player into a team without any practice and expect them to get you a win.... I say it is an easy excuse for teams that do lose.... The big unfair CCP :-)

In the spirit of "Developement" I am all for bringing a player up from DIII to DII and from bringing a player up from DII to DI. However this is not what is happening on the weekends. Clubs are only moving players to other teams to gain advantage, and it is working. Who can't see this? I'll make a point to count all the rose colored glasses I see on the sidelines next weekend. Should be a good measure of all that are in favor of CPP. I'll also be sure to checkout the all the coaches with s... eating grins on their faces.

I like the way you selectivley choose what you want to comment about... You skipped right over the part where teams with CPPs are losing more than they win..... I guess you're already one of the parents that can ONLY LOSE if the other team had an unfair advantage.. Every loss demands a "CCP in Full Force Thread", lol

I chose to ignore your statement because I think your info is completely inaccurate and frankly thought you must be kidding. Just because you say it, doesn't make it true. Show me. I know what I have seen every weekend and I know what I hear from parents across the league. And besides I haven't once said anything about wining or losing. I have only said the rule gives clubs with more than one team in an age bracket an advantage. Just like you characterize me as "one of those parents" that can only lose. I would think you must be "one of those parents" whose team is benefiting from the rule. Coaches should play with the horse they rode in on.

Vash let me help on this one: Sounder's DD is older and plays ECNL. But he is a lifer and very credible.

That said, I agree in the 00s and down, CPP has created positive advantage over neutral or negative impact. Sounder is right in that a few years ago USYSA opened the door for this new trend and LH is a little late to the party as a league. Where I wonder if they failed is did they do their homework to see how it can work in a healthy and positive manner.

The other component that LH could've used is much better communication leading to CPP and not just quietly (mostly) and quickly activated a new rule. There's plenty of history and experience for LH to glean on and I'm not sure they did.

backofthenet wrote:Vash let me help on this one: Sounder's DD is older and plays ECNL. But he is a lifer and very credible.

HA!!! Thanks Backofthenet. Puts things in perspective now. Then I'm sure he is diligently researching all of the CPP games and will post them shortly. LOL!

Why Mid season? You're completely right. It was handled horribly.

soccersounder wrote:
I like the way you selectivley choose what you want to comment about... You skipped right over the part where teams with CPPs are losing more than they win..... I guess you're already one of the parents that can ONLY LOSE if the other team had an unfair advantage.. Every loss demands a "CCP in Full Force Thread", lol

I agree that teams utilizing player pass are losing more than they are winning. But, we have to remember that a lot of these frequent CPP teams are at the bottom or near bottom of their division....fighting off relegation.
They are typically weaker teams that are less likely to win in the first place.
But, with a little CPP help, the game may be closer than it should've been

Vashmuka wrote:

backofthenet wrote:Vash let me help on this one: Sounder's DD is older and plays ECNL. But he is a lifer and very credible.

HA!!! Thanks Backofthenet. Puts things in perspective now. Then I'm sure he is diligently researching all of the CPP games and will post them shortly. LOL!

Why Mid season? You're completely right. It was handled horribly.  

Vash, another overlook on your part is that I Ref... of the 12 or 13 games that have had a CPP, the CPP team has only won 3... Get it str8, CPP is not getting the wins.... And BOTN also said I was credilble... I don't blame you for overlokking that part.. But you are the one crying about it... So bring some credibility to it and point out 10 games and how they were affected...

What 3 games? And does that include DII? DIII?

Vashmuka wrote:What 3 games? And does that include DII? DIII?

You really think a ref will provide that info?

We all understand. You think your team lost because of a team using a player from a different team. Not sure if that is true, but its a pretty safe assumption. I assume your coach or manager told you the player pass was being used as it is listed on the roster that is turned in. Or are you just assuming?

Vashmuka wrote:What 3 games? And does that include DII? DIII?

Vash, are you stating an opinion or a belief? An opinion should be able to be changed with new information or facts. A belief cannot (or should not) be debated bc is it not open to new facts or info.  Clearly most think (agree with you) the CPP rule has been (cough!/sting) abused this season, but geez your inconsolable.

You've been given some very good information by a couple of grey beards "in the know", who obviously don't have a dog in your hunt. If you don't like these guys facts, instead questioning their motives and integrity, go find some your own information or better yet, look at why one or two CPP players can be so detrimental to another D2 or D3 team's entire season?

I guess my question is, where do you believe your team would have finished without CPP?

From my understanding Plano does not recognize this rule, is this true? That said can someone one a plano team play for a lh team?
If so how do they go about it?