Age True and 9v9 in 2016 for NTX

Yes I don't ever remember playing birth year. I know I played U12 when I was 9 not because I was exceptional it's because it was my neighborhood team and they needed players!
The Puget Sound deal is written by someone trying to convince everyone by playing age pure you'll be playing against stronger players.......er don't you get that now as it is
Mia Hamm played up against stronger players and helped her develop.......er so can others and it doesn't have to be age pure
Much better development will happen with age pure.....er really why is that, so the Jan-Mar birthdays will be stronger but it now puts the Nov Dec birthdays on the back foot so please explain why it's better for development because I'm scratching my head

Why did jolly old England change?

It's never changed only to play 7v7 so I don't get where the age pure is coming from. It was always school year
Mind you such a long time ago since I was playing youth soccer!

That was my point...

Their last WC title was when, their last YourApeeIn. Championship was when?

USSF is after the global level. A nation the size of ours... even Hodgson himself probably couldn't screw it up if he had this many players to choose from. Well, maybe HE could... but that's a different argument. Lol

Soccerfan79 wrote:That was my point...

Their last WC title was when, their last YourApeeIn. Championship was when?

USSF is after the global level. A nation the size of ours... even Hodgson himself probably couldn't screw it up if he had this many players to choose from.  Well, maybe HE could... but that's a different argument. Lol

So going to age pure is going to make the difference between winning the WC or not

I am not one to say yes or no, but that is what USSF must believe or why even consider it. Why would they hire the Belgium firm that revamped the Bundesliga, LA Liga and several others to take a look at ALL of US Soccer.

Do you at least agree their concern is not the local assosciations, but their National Teams and pro products... namely the boys, but how can you just change the boys and not the girls...

Although more and more countries have caught up to the women's side.

I think the concern is everything not just the national teams. The players (boys and girls) get coached at grass roots so that has to be where the foundations are built. Problem is the culture in DFW is win at all costs. When a DOC at a big club tells the parents we only pick the biggest strongest and fastest players for our best teams that is saying we have to win. It might be the biggest strongest fastest players are the best right because of the money and rankings in youth soccer. So the rest are discarded. When posters in previous years say unless you play in D1 LH you might as well play rec.......now it's unless you are on an ECNL team you won't get a D1 scholarship........it's what some believe so until that gets altered all the changes being made won't impact anything

Soccerfan79 wrote:That was my point...

Their last WC title was when, their last YourApeeIn. Championship was when?

USSF is after the global level. A nation the size of ours... even Hodgson himself probably couldn't screw it up if he had this many players to choose from.  Well, maybe HE could... but that's a different argument. Lol

English academies birthday cut off is in Aug. They're competitive in international competitions...havent won UCL since chelsea beat barca, but there is no denying englands WC2014 team had far more world class players than ours. Their FA has made a ton of changes recently to improve development... small sided, futsal, etc.  It's interesting jacking with the age cutoff hasn't happened, considering the unreasonably high public expectations for England's national team. If this was a game changer wouldn't they have done it?

Some say we should emulate Germany, but has anyone from Germany attributed their youth model revamp's success to changing the age cutoff? Just  seems like we have so many more pressing issues, and age cutoff represents  a colossal expenditure  of time and effort with a poor return on investment.

See we found common ground! Change for the sake of change is... well, worthless.

4-3-3 wrote:

Soccerfan79 wrote:That was my point...

Their last WC title was when, their last YourApeeIn. Championship was when?

USSF is after the global level. A nation the size of ours... even Hodgson himself probably couldn't screw it up if he had this many players to choose from.  Well, maybe HE could... but that's a different argument. Lol

English academies birthday cut off is in Aug. They're competitive in international competitions...havent won UCL since chelsea beat barca, but there is no denying englands WC2014 team had far more world class players than ours. Their FA has made a ton of changes recently to improve development... small sided, futsal, etc.  It's interesting jacking with the age cutoff hasn't happened, considering the unreasonably high public expectations for England's national team. If this was a game changer wouldn't they have done it?

Some say we should emulate Germany, but has anyone from Germany attributed their youth model revamp's success to changing the age cutoff? Just  seems like we have so many more pressing issues, and age cutoff represents  a colossal expenditure  of time and effort with a poor return on investment.

Where did England finish at the WC with those players they have?

Same place as Italy

I look at how they played. They played competitive, attacking soccer. They were on level footing with their opponents. They did not bunker and hope for miracles while getting wildly outplayed.

In the end none of us have a vote, USSF will do what they want, and some assosciations/leagues may/can choose to get out in front of it... roll into it their way, if they so choose.

Absolutely only North Texas won't be one of them until it's voted so now we come full circle to where we were 2 days ago and it won't be the 06's!

Triumph FC wrote:Absolutely only North Texas won't be one of them until it's voted so now we come full circle to where we were 2 days ago and it won't be the 06's!

North Texas won't have a choice. They can delay until a certain date but the sanctions that will arise for associations not implementing it will include players within that association being banned from ODP, national pool selection, NTX teams being refused entry into nationall/regional championships, etc. I think you're confused with this whole "voting" thing. The associations do not have a vote to accept/reject age pure or small-sided, they just have a small amount of flexibility on when to implement it. And yes, the 06s will be affected because the latest deadline being touted would give the 06s zero time to adjust before select. Any coach/club with a plan will be starting to gradually adjust their rosters on the 06s and below with a view to having age pure teams by July 2016.

Inevitably, it's going to happen. The only question is the exact date of implementation.

Tristen the USSF have not voted on it. Funny but I just got a phone call whilst writing this post
I'm not confused on voting because The USSF have NOT VOTED to bring it in. I'm not talking about NTSSA
The USSF will RECCOMEND 9v9 in 2016 but it won't be mandated until 2017 so exactly as I said business as usual for the 06's and 11v11 which will give the leagues 2 more years!

If/When this calendar year thing happens... Will it happen for all teams in select already? For instance, will Aug-Dec birthdays for u13 have to move up to u14? Or will this just happen for the younger age groups, leaving the older ones "grandfathered" in?

Again my understanding is.......what is in now stays, only the new age in select. So it looks like 07's will be the lucky ones!

That hasn't been confirmed as yet but there will be a grace period I believe to make it happen or specific older age-groups will be exempt.

Gotta love the Brittish!

Triumph FC wrote:Tristen the USSF have not voted on it. Funny but I just got a phone call whilst writing this post
I'm not confused on voting because The USSF have NOT VOTED to bring it in. I'm not talking about NTSSA
The USSF will RECCOMEND 9v9 in 2016 but it won't be mandated until 2017 so exactly as I said business as usual for the 06's and 11v11 which will give the leagues 2 more years!

They haven't given a FINAL vote on it but at this point, only a roadblock of epic proportions is going to stop it as it has been all but agreed in principal by the USSF and its advisory bodies. In terms of implementing it, that date has not been finalized but it may come as early as July 2016 but as late as a year later. True, that would see the 06s already a year into select but then they will lost the 07 players on the roster and depending how far up the chain the age pure thing goes, the 05 players on the 06 roster would move up. That would decimate some 06 groups but it will balance itself out in clubs with decent successive academy teams in the age groups.

My point is, it would be foolish not to start planning for the extremities of the rule changes rather than assume it won't happen here until the last possible moment.

Hey I'm English
I'm just telling you what I was told.
Trouble is your post are conflicting on one had your tell me it's happening now you post it hasn't been confirmed. I'm not talking about age pure I'm talking about 9v9 which will happen in 2017, will age pure be the same year......maybe but it's not been voted on by the USSF. I don't see the 07's being grandfathered in IMO because they have to start somewhere. That is why I think it will be announced summer 2016 and mandated summer 2017 effectively giving the 07's a year to get their act together. Where it leaves the 06's playing 07's I have no clue but again it has to start somewhere
I'm planning, but again from high authority I'm not doing it with 06's because I think they will go through as they are today, right now with 05/06 on the team until the graduate

Triumph FC wrote:Again my understanding is.......what is in now stays, only the new age in select. So it looks like 07's will be the lucky ones!

naturally we all still speculating a bit... but if 07's are the lucky ones, then a true 07(march) will or will not go with their current 07 group?

Will be age pure 07 and will go select as will the 07's playing on 08's again purely speculating because it hasn't been voted on. But if 9v9 is mandated in 2017 I can see this being tagged along with it

Can NTX decide to do this all before USSF mandates?

Triumph FC wrote:Will be age pure 07 and will go select as will the 07's playing on 08's again purely speculating because it hasn't been voted on. But if 9v9 is mandated in 2017 I can see this being tagged along with it

So the current Fall of 06 girls(07's by todays groupings),.... they go a year earlier or skip u11 and straight to u12?