Texas Rush expanding to North Texas?

mcik17 wrote:

go99 wrote:Their time to prove their results is actually coming up now as their first products start to head into select. It won't matter though. Unless they find an alternative or get into ECNL or Academy League they will be stuck as a second tier club

Come on now, are you saying LP developed all the 04 talent? How many girls besides your dd started out with LW's and are still on his top team? Answer is 1...your dd. He has recruited and got girls from all kinds of other teams...including girls that were "developed" by ECNL clubs. So don't sit here and say LP is "developing" all these top teams. They are recruiting them just like you put down the ECNL teams for recruiting their players. Don't get me wrong, LW is a very good coach and coaches the right kind of soccer, but to say LP has "developed" all these kids is going a bit overboard!

Can anyone tell me the difference between:

That talented player coming to the team flourished.

or

That talented player flourished under that coach.

Sounds the same to me. How can people say a coach is not developing players. If a talented player has flourished under the coach, how can that player "not" be developing.

You can start off with a team from rec, and develop them, but they can run into a gifted talented team and you will probably see the difference. You see it all the time in college basketball. You have the Cinderella's and you have the "Gifted" loaded teams.

You can only take a developed (Cinderella) team so far. Its been said multiple time on this forum, better players migrate to better teams. I don't see coaches turning away gifted players because he/she is worried about not developing them..

Im sure whether you knew it or not, a few of the players on your DD's team has the (above talented) gifted gene in them. I'm sure this will make the coaches job easier in life. In other words, not all kids will have the same gifted abilities. There will be limitations.

So unless "other" talented players migrate to your DD's team, her team will always be that "Cinderella".

After reading some of this thread, I have to ask: When a club such as Liverpool has almost 50 academy teams many having different styles of play are they truly, (the club), developing? Can it simply be a case of the more teams the club has the better the chance to strike gold with an athletically superior team? I tend to turn it around and think why does a club only have four or five high caliber academy teams out of 50? Not really attacking the club, just asking the logic...

Do you have 10 high caliber girls out of 13 on you DD's team??? Its the same concept.. You probably wont get that.. These kids are still developing (growing) into their bodies. Referring to academy teams here..

It's about the money! That's why!

1more_dd_dad wrote:After reading some of this thread, I have to ask: When a club such as Liverpool has almost 50 academy teams many having different styles of play are they truly, (the club), developing? Can it simply be a case of the more teams the club has the better the chance to strike gold with an athletically superior team? I tend to turn it around and think why does a club only have four or five high caliber academy teams out of 50? Not really attacking the club, just asking the logic...

"not really attacking the club ?" What are you doing; If you had any clue, the club does have a style play, the club has multiple top teams in the 04/05 and 06 age group, what exactly is it that Liverpool is not doing ? By any measure they are successful and are doing a lot right; I understand it is upsetting for the "old guard" to try to hang on and good luck and hope your tried and true system of nothing amounts to something. What it does say is "if they are shooting at you must be doing something right". See you at the finish line...

Clubs and leagues don't develop - coaches do. How difficult is that to understand? I don't think LP '98/00 morphed out of FCD (they were there for almost a year, right)? If FCD created their teams - then, I'd suggest that's where everyone should go, or, that should be the club everyone should be attacking on this thread - for some reason.

soccer4fun wrote:

1more_dd_dad wrote:After reading some of this thread, I have to ask: When a club such as Liverpool has almost 50 academy teams many having different styles of play are they truly, (the club), developing? Can it simply be a case of the more teams the club has the better the chance to strike gold with an athletically superior team? I tend to turn it around and think why does a club only have four or five high caliber academy teams out of 50? Not really attacking the club, just asking the logic...

"not really attacking the club ?" What are you doing; If you had any clue, the club does have a style play, the club has multiple top teams in the 04/05 and 06 age group, what exactly is it that Liverpool is not doing ? By any measure they are successful and are doing a lot right; I understand it is upsetting for the "old guard" to try to hang on and good luck and hope your tried and true system of nothing amounts to something. What it does say is "if they are shooting at you must be doing something right". See you at the finish line...

So the new guard LP concept is flood the market and pan for gold!! Now i completely understand. Freaking genius! !

I would say there are some coaches at LP that do a great job of developing players. There are also coaches that should be helped to coach somewhere else. Now with that LP does not have a style but a true club should. You should be able to recognize a LP team playing even without uniforms. You should be able to recognize a LP practice. At this point you cannot and until you can they will not be able to turn out a consistent product. For a club RASE 04 is good but turning out a 05, 06, 07 etc at the same level is more important. But the good news for LP is that they must be doing something right. Nobody hated LP when they were a tiny club kicking around with a few teams.

soccer4fun wrote:

1more_dd_dad wrote:After reading some of this thread, I have to ask: When a club such as Liverpool has almost 50 academy teams many having different styles of play are they truly, (the club), developing? Can it simply be a case of the more teams the club has the better the chance to strike gold with an athletically superior team? I tend to turn it around and think why does a club only have four or five high caliber academy teams out of 50? Not really attacking the club, just asking the logic...

"not really attacking the club ?" What are you doing; If you had any clue, the club does have a style play, the club has multiple top teams in the 04/05 and 06 age group, what exactly is it that Liverpool is not doing ? By any measure they are successful and are doing a lot right; I understand it is upsetting for the "old guard" to try to hang on and good luck and hope your tried and true system of nothing amounts to something. What it does say is "if they are shooting at you must be doing something right". See you at the finish line...

We promise to wait until you show up.

hold on... is that you in the rearview mirror

go99 wrote:I would say there are some coaches at LP that do a great job of developing players. There are also coaches that should be helped to coach somewhere else. Now with that LP does not have a style but a true club should. You should be able to recognize a LP team playing even without uniforms. You should be able to recognize a LP practice. At this point you cannot and until you can they will not be able to turn out a consistent product. For a club RASE 04 is good but turning out a 05, 06, 07 etc at the same level is more important. But the good news for LP is that they must be doing something right. Nobody hated LP when they were a tiny club kicking around with a few teams.

I don't hate them. I just hate the unfounded hype.

go99 wrote:I would say there are some coaches at LP that do a great job of developing players. There are also coaches that should be helped to coach somewhere else. Now with that LP does not have a style but a true club should. You should be able to recognize a LP team playing even without uniforms. You should be able to recognize a LP practice. At this point you cannot and until you can they will not be able to turn out a consistent product. For a club RASE 04 is good but turning out a 05, 06, 07 etc at the same level is more important. But the good news for LP is that they must be doing something right. Nobody hated LP when they were a tiny club kicking around with a few teams.

This was more my point...

So if I am reading the ECNL application correctly, LiverPool is just missing one requirement. They are missing a 97 team. So if they were able to convince a Ando Wells or a Spirit Clark to come over, they would have the full assembly of teams to the age brackets.

U13 Pulpaneck 00
U14 Benatar 99
U15 Pulpaneck 98
U16 Missing
U17 Hollingworth 96
U18 Jones 95

The slippery slope is on the remaining application requirements. All of the remaining structure and development requirement are extremely subjective. There is a lot of the clubs already in ECNL that have not produced national players.

This means if they have a team in each bracket, but fail to meet the subjective criteria due to the input of the existing clubs, this would lead to a sticky situation. If the existing 5 NTX ENCL clubs provide input on the subjective criteria that prevents LiverPool from being admitted, this would be grounds for collusion. A collusion lawsuit would not be in ECNL's best interest, so look for complete avoidance of input \ blocking from the local 5.

So if LiverPool is able to get a 97 team, it could get really interesting. The absence of the 97 will keep them out of ECNL for at least three more years.

OK, stepping briefly in here, from what I have heard, there will be no more clubs added to ECNL in this region because the quota has already been filled. The aim of ECNL is not as it is in general here in Texas. It is not the more the merrier. The only areas of expansion for the foreseeable future is in California and on the East coast. Feel free to check with one of the founding clubs to verify.

InaB wrote:OK, stepping briefly in here, from what I have heard, there will be no more clubs added to ECNL in this region because the quota has already been filled. The aim of ECNL is not as it is in general here in Texas. It is not the more the merrier. The only areas of expansion for the foreseeable future is in California and on the East coast. Feel free to check with one of the founding clubs to verify.

If you are right and LP does not even stand a chance to gain entrance to ECNL and other posters are right when they say the college coaches now mainly recruit from ECNL ( and it will only continue that way) that is bad news for LP. I guess they could always be that club that trains the little ones until they get to U12 or so and go find an ECNL club.

soccer4fun wrote:

1more_dd_dad wrote:After reading some of this thread, I have to ask: When a club such as Liverpool has almost 50 academy teams many having different styles of play are they truly, (the club), developing? Can it simply be a case of the more teams the club has the better the chance to strike gold with an athletically superior team? I tend to turn it around and think why does a club only have four or five high caliber academy teams out of 50? Not really attacking the club, just asking the logic...

"not really attacking the club ?" What are you doing; If you had any clue, the club does have a style play, the club has multiple top teams in the 04/05 and 06 age group, what exactly is it that Liverpool is not doing ? By any measure they are successful and are doing a lot right; I understand it is upsetting for the "old guard" to try to hang on and good luck and hope your tried and true system of nothing amounts to something. What it does say is "if they are shooting at you must be doing something right". See you at the finish line...

I'm certain David Koresh, Pablo Escobar, Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and the like, would have been thrilled to have you as their strategist..........

Pele98 wrote:

soccer4fun wrote:

1more_dd_dad wrote:After reading some of this thread, I have to ask: When a club such as Liverpool has almost 50 academy teams many having different styles of play are they truly, (the club), developing? Can it simply be a case of the more teams the club has the better the chance to strike gold with an athletically superior team? I tend to turn it around and think why does a club only have four or five high caliber academy teams out of 50? Not really attacking the club, just asking the logic...

"not really attacking the club ?" What are you doing; If you had any clue, the club does have a style play, the club has multiple top teams in the 04/05 and 06 age group, what exactly is it that Liverpool is not doing ? By any measure they are successful and are doing a lot right; I understand it is upsetting for the "old guard" to try to hang on and good luck and hope your tried and true system of nothing amounts to something. What it does say is "if they are shooting at you must be doing something right". See you at the finish line...

I'm certain David Koresh, Pablo Escobar, Osama Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein and the like, would have been thrilled to have you as their strategist..........

O for --- sakes; actually the ones I would work for would be Seal team 6, the FBI, DEA and the United States Marines... now fire away...the point, in case you missed it, is LP must at least be doing something right because if your not, no one notices and everyone notices what LP is doing right... thanks and now back to the gun fight.

I say keep LP OUT. The last thing we need is a bunch of Brits coming in and messing with the great AMERICAN game of Girls Soccer. God Bless America.

oldboot wrote:I say keep LP OUT. The last thing we need is a bunch of Brits coming in and messing with the great AMERICAN game of Girls Soccer. God Bless America.

Agreed! We don't need any more Full Kit Wankers.

I once played for Colorado Rush and there number one goal is possession. I have not seen any of the Texas Rush teams down south but I know their way of running their other clubs works way better than all these small clubs here in North Texas. Seems to me that we are the only area that has so many small clubs scattered everywhere. it makes for to much mediocre competion. South Texas runs totally different and they seem to dominate in Tournaments!! just saying

NWsoccermom wrote:I once played for Colorado Rush and there number one goal is possession. I have not seen any of the Texas Rush teams down south but I know their way of running their other clubs works way better than all these small clubs here in North Texas. Seems to me that we are the only area that has so many small clubs scattered everywhere. it makes for to much mediocre competion. South Texas runs totally different and they seem to dominate in Tournaments!! just saying

I agree with your statement about Colorado Rush. They will 5v2 you to death! Their developement is completely possession based. North texas having mediocre competition and South Texas teams dominating tournaments LoL!

NWsoccermom wrote:I once played for Colorado Rush and there number one goal is possession. I have not seen any of the Texas Rush teams down south but I know their way of running their other clubs works way better than all these small clubs here in North Texas. Seems to me that we are the only area that has so many small clubs scattered everywhere. it makes for to much mediocre competion. South Texas runs totally different and they seem to dominate in Tournaments!! just saying

My dd's played v. STX teams in tourneys more times than I can count. Some nice, competitive teams in some age groups, but dominate tourneys? You must have gone to ones we missed.

Noob wrote:So if I am reading the ECNL application correctly, LiverPool is just missing one requirement. They are missing a 97 team. So if they were able to convince a Ando Wells or a Spirit Clark to come over, they would have the full assembly of teams to the age brackets.

U13 Pulpaneck 00
U14 Benatar 99
U15 Pulpaneck 98
U16 Missing
U17 Hollingworth 96
U18 Jones 95

The slippery slope is on the remaining application requirements. All of the remaining structure and development requirement are extremely subjective. There is a lot of the clubs already in ECNL that have not produced national players.

This means if they have a team in each bracket, but fail to meet the subjective criteria due to the input of the existing clubs, this would lead to a sticky situation. If the existing 5 NTX ENCL clubs provide input on the subjective criteria that prevents LiverPool from being admitted, this would be grounds for collusion. A collusion lawsuit would not be in ECNL's best interest, so look for complete avoidance of input \ blocking from the local 5.

So if LiverPool is able to get a 97 team, it could get really interesting. The absence of the 97 will keep them out of ECNL for at least three more years.

ECNL does not seem to require any sort of club financial viability renewal proposition. If it did likely D'Feeters and Solar would be past tense clubs as it seem like the assets/fields they own are close to nil.

Maybe if a relook every number of years would be in ECNL's best interest. Likely many other regions would benefit, I hear SoCal is another location that the "historically" ECNL clubs are not as "strong" from a club/financial perspective as they should be.

RunsLikeWind wrote:

InaB wrote:OK, stepping briefly in here, from what I have heard, there will be no more clubs added to ECNL in this region because the quota has already been filled. The aim of ECNL is not as it is in general here in Texas. It is not the more the merrier. The only areas of expansion for the foreseeable future is in California and on the East coast. Feel free to check with one of the founding clubs to verify.

If you are right and LP does not even stand a chance to gain entrance to ECNL and other posters are right when they say the college coaches now mainly recruit from ECNL ( and it will only continue that way) that is bad news for LP. I guess they could always be that club that trains the little ones until they get to U12 or so and go find an ECNL club.

InaB is right.... and ECNL is a leading force towards recruitment but you must compartmentalize it all. National teams feeding into US Women's Olympic teams are fed from many universities. Universities recruit from many channels and there are huge differences from D1-D3... blanket statements just won't do the topic justice... for lack of a better word.

I heard that there are solar teams going there and not lfca. it will be another mass exodus at the end of season, just with another club, maybe or maybe not with your coach if they want a change.

soccer chick wrote:I heard that there are solar teams going there and not lfca. it will be another mass exodus at the end of season, just with another club, maybe or maybe not with your coach if they want a change.

Can you clarify your comment? I do not follow what you are saying? Mass exodus??