Texas Rush expanding to North Texas?

Does ECNL evaluate a clubs performance once accepted and review if continued membership is warranted? Or are clubs members 4 life?

futbollove wrote:Does ECNL evaluate a clubs performance once accepted and review if continued membership is warranted? Or are clubs members 4 life?

That is a good question andromeda's boys side was put on probation and coaching staff had to go in front of a board to and present a plan. They have just recently been taken off! I would imagine that ECNL has diciplinary measures in their by-laws.

UEFA wrote:

go99 wrote:right now the ECNL is the best place for eyeballs but lets not pretend is a improved development model. Same s#$t different pile. And as far as LP goes. Parents from the other clubs should hope LP gets a spot or convinces their players to stay put. Otherwise you dd's will get stuck on the regular team as LP girls come in to take their spots in the ECNL

ECNL spot - never going to happen
Player staying an not leaving for an ECNL club - never going to happen
Pulp is awesome keep up the good work!

So now we have gone from 8yrs to never gonna happen? So does ECNL have a LP ban? clubs that begin in L?

But with the financial situation of a few of the local ECNL clubs I wouldn't be so confident in the never part. I will say this. LP can get into the ECNL. I am not sure if the leadership at LP can get them into ECNL or AL though. Andro is in because of the politics and old boy network not because of an imaginary plan they presented. ECNL and Academy league are politics and money just like every other soccer governing body.

UEFA wrote:

futbollove wrote:Does ECNL evaluate a clubs performance once accepted and review if continued membership is warranted? Or are clubs members 4 life?

That is a good question andromeda's boys side was put on probation and coaching staff had to go in front of a board to and present a plan. They have just recently been taken off! I would imagine that ECNL has diciplinary measures in their by-laws.

they were put on probation because the club went under and came back as a different group. The academy spot was under the old name. They agreed to let the keep it on a probationary period. Andro still does not meet the requirments and shouldn't be there. BB played their 99 group that was mostly back filled with 00 and a few 01. It was a waste of an afternoon. They can't even field teams and have kids that couldn't survive in D1 CL. I have hear the feet ers aren't doing much better

go99 wrote:

UEFA wrote:

futbollove wrote:Does ECNL evaluate a clubs performance once accepted and review if continued membership is warranted? Or are clubs members 4 life?

That is a good question andromeda's boys side was put on probation and coaching staff had to go in front of a board to and present a plan. They have just recently been taken off! I would imagine that ECNL has diciplinary measures in their by-laws.

they were put on probation because the club went under and came back as a different group. The academy spot was under the old name. They agreed to let the keep it on a probationary period. Andro still does not meet the requirments and shouldn't be there. BB played their 99 group that was mostly back filled with 00 and a few 01. It was a waste of an afternoon. They can't even field teams and have kids that couldn't survive in D1 CL. I have hear the feet ers aren't doing much better

Based on ECNL standings in the Texas conference as of today neither Solar nor FCD can thumb their noses at Feet!


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oh I wasn't talking about there rankings. I was talking about their ability to develope talent for their teams. Andro has some good coaches but it has no ability to develop its own talent to feed its AL teams. They scramble to recruit what the can to fill the spots. Now I am not going to back that claim with feet, its just what I heard.

outonthelimb wrote:

go99 wrote:

UEFA wrote:

futbollove wrote:Does ECNL evaluate a clubs performance once accepted and review if continued membership is warranted? Or are clubs members 4 life?

That is a good question andromeda's boys side was put on probation and coaching staff had to go in front of a board to and present a plan. They have just recently been taken off! I would imagine that ECNL has diciplinary measures in their by-laws.

they were put on probation because the club went under and came back as a different group. The academy spot was under the old name. They agreed to let the keep it on a probationary period. Andro still does not meet the requirments and shouldn't be there. BB played their 99 group that was mostly back filled with 00 and a few 01. It was a waste of an afternoon. They can't even field teams and have kids that couldn't survive in D1 CL. I have hear the feet ers aren't doing much better

Based on ECNL standings in the Texas conference as of today neither Solar nor FCD can thumb their noses at Feet!


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Da Bears! Da FEET!!!

[quote="go99"][quote="UEFA"][quote="go99"]right now the ECNL is the best place for eyeballs but lets not pretend is a improved development model. Same s#$t different pile. And as far as LP goes. Parents from the other clubs should hope LP gets a spot or convinces their players to stay put. Otherwise you dd's will get stuck on the regular team as LP girls come in to take their spots in the ECNL[/quote]

ECNL spot - never going to happen
Player staying an not leaving for an ECNL club - never going to happen
Pulp is awesome keep up the good work![/quote]

So now we have gone from 8yrs to never gonna happen? So does ECNL have a LP ban? clubs that begin in L?

But with the financial situation of a few of the local ECNL clubs I wouldn't be so confident in the never part. I will say this. LP can get into the ECNL. I am not sure if the leadership at LP can get them into ECNL or AL though. Andro is in because of the politics and old boy network not because of an imaginary plan they presented. ECNL and Academy league are politics and money just like every other soccer governing body.[/quote]


Go, I have to disagree with you. LP cannot get in to ECNL even if the ownership wanted. We have had the meetings before and I know for a fact Wade has not once looked at really bringing in LP. They do not have National Recognition and nor do they have quality facilities. Yes Andro did present a good plan in Place but you have to remember ECNL is US CLUB Mandated not USSF. LP Keeps telling me they will get into ECNL to get my LIttle one but I know for a fact they will not, its a sales pitch by the coach (whom I respect). Nothing wrong with the LP system if you prefer to stay at the regional and State level. Even National League is watered down, LP
just need to be honest and stop "the were getting into ECNL sales Pitch".

I suspect one of the main reasons LP isn't in ECNL is because they weren't in from the onset. There was a comment posted recently stating that the existing members vote on which new clubs to accept for ECNL expansion. Why would any of the existing NTX ECNL clubs allow LP to get in? LP would only grow if they were allowed into ECNL.

LP would probably be best served to keep selling people that they're going to be accepted in ECNL very soon. They should acknowledge internally though that it isn't going to happen. Instead they should focus on finding the next big thing that will replace ECNL at the top of the pecking order. They should be the first ones involved with that instead.

bigtex75081 wrote:I suspect one of the main reasons LP isn't in ECNL is because they weren't in from the onset. There was a comment posted recently stating that the existing members vote on which new clubs to accept for ECNL expansion. Why would any of the existing NTX ECNL clubs allow LP to get in? LP would only grow if they were allowed into ECNL.

LP would probably be best served to keep selling people that they're going to be accepted in ECNL very soon. They should acknowledge internally though that it isn't going to happen. Instead they should focus on finding the next big thing that will replace ECNL at the top of the pecking order. They should be the first ones involved with that instead.

Does anyone know the best way to ask questions directly to ECNL....? I did not see any obvious way if you are not a coach/manager with a login id.

I am sure it is that way by design.....

don't have the facilities? Neither does solar and doesn't seem to stop them but it doesn't matter. We are talking about two different thing. You are talking about getting the old boy network to accept you in at the cost of their development pool. I am talking about absorbing clubs that are already in it. Building a good club, developing kids and waiting for the US club soccer to accept you in is fools gold. It is not about development it is about politics and money. It's not what you do it's who you know. And there is no way the local ECNL clubs will step up to allow a club the size of liverpool to come in and compete. Now the other solution is to just partner up with other large clubs and USSF and develope a girls academy league. There is a fight there to have, I am just not sold that leadership at LP is up to the task.

UEFA wrote:

I have heard rumors of them addressing the issue of two leagues. The idea is that each ECNL club will produce to teams A team, B team. I forgot what the coaches were calling the second tier league. Maybe someone else can elaborate.

There are clubs who win on average about 10% of the time they step on the pitch across all age groups (Arsenal, LV Premier, Va Rush, for example).

There are others who have to recruit entire teams from other clubs to try to fill their ECNL slot since they are unable to produce their own.

I don't see how having these very same clubs produce 2 teams per age group would strengthen the league.

it won't but it will allow you to go out and recruit twice as many payers

When the majority of the local clubs joined ECNL a few years ago Liverpool was a a blip on the radar (if it was even around). Since that time it has certainly added a number of YOUNGER teams, but that's it. It's still a VERY VERY small club in the U14 and up ranks. Frankly speaking, except the '98 Elite team it's also a very below average club in the U14 and up ranks.

Seems to me LP will have to show a much more consistent ability to put teams together (ANY team, more or less quality teams) at the older ages before they should even begin to be considered for ECNL.

It would also seem to me that some within this thread think they're close or it will happen soon, but IMO they aren't anywhere near ready for the jump. Here's their list of teams, take a loot at that and decide for yourself.

I was looking at the LHGCL website and it looks like LP has a good 98 and 00 team but not much else.

Why would ECNL want them?

it is actually your younger age groups that determine if you can develop and field your own teams. When ECNL was established they were just a blip on the radar. I don't think they have enough quality in the older age groups yet but you can see it coming. Now take at the feet. They are essentially doing nothing to feed their own ECNL teams.

But I still think USSF should make a girls AL and just like the boys it should be free to players. US club is still a secondary organization

Prediction sure to go wrong:

If and when LP (or any other NTX club) gets into ECNL, it won't be as an addition, but rather as a replacement, for one of the current 5 NTX ECNL clubs. Already hear too much chatter about talent being watered down with 5 ECNL clubs in NTX.

I think a replacement will happen before an addition. Although regional additions could help cut down travel cost

Gunner9 wrote:

UEFA wrote:

I have heard rumors of them addressing the issue of two leagues. The idea is that each ECNL club will produce to teams A team, B team. I forgot what the coaches were calling the second tier league. Maybe someone else can elaborate.

There are clubs who win on average about 10% of the time they step on the pitch across all age groups (Arsenal, LV Premier, Va Rush, for example).

There are others who have to recruit entire teams from other clubs to try to fill their ECNL slot since they are unable to produce their own.

I don't see how having these very same clubs produce 2 teams per age group would strengthen the league.

Ultimately the LHGCL teams will be the second tier teams. This should begin a promotion relegation system within the league.

bwgophers wrote:Prediction sure to go wrong:

If and when LP (or any other NTX club) gets into ECNL, it won't be as an addition, but rather as a replacement, for one of the current 5 NTX ECNL clubs. Already hear too much chatter about talent being watered down with 5 ECNL clubs in NTX.

It is definitely watered down. But it always has been. Same as SoCal.

go99 wrote:it is actually your younger age groups that determine if you can develop and field your own teams. When ECNL was established they were just a blip on the radar. I don't think they have enough quality in the older age groups yet but you can see it coming. Now take at the feet. They are essentially doing nothing to feed their own ECNL teams.

But I still think USSF should make a girls AL and just like the boys it should be free to players. US club is still a secondary organization

If that is true, then why isn't LP's 02 and 01's very good?

It also always cracks me up that people think other teams in your club feed the ECNL team. We have never had a player come from another Texan team to ours and stay. Our replacements are always from other ECNL teams. Same for Sting.

go99 wrote:I think a replacement will happen before an addition. Although regional additions could help cut down travel cost

Any changes to the local ECNL teams will almost certainly be by acquisition. LP has already tried to buy their way in to ECNL as recently as last year. With the questionable financial situations of some of the local clubs, I would imagine LP will eventually find a willing seller.

Uncle Numanga wrote:

go99 wrote:it is actually your younger age groups that determine if you can develop and field your own teams. When ECNL was established they were just a blip on the radar. I don't think they have enough quality in the older age groups yet but you can see it coming. Now take at the feet. They are essentially doing nothing to feed their own ECNL teams.

But I still think USSF should make a girls AL and just like the boys it should be free to players. US club is still a secondary organization

If that is true, then why isn't LP's 02 and 01's very good?

It also always cracks me up that people think other teams in your club feed the ECNL team. We have never had a player come from another Texan team to ours and stay. Our replacements are always from other ECNL teams. Same for Sting.

Don't think that they do but they should. The clubs should be able to develop and feed their own teams. Otherwise you just have a recruiting/showcase league.

go99 wrote:

Don't think that they do but they should. The clubs should be able to develop and feed their own teams. Otherwise you just have a recruiting/showcase league.

There is not enough talent to feed their own. The ECNL teams develop ECNL players and they play on ECNL teams. We have former Feet, Sting and players that moved in from out of state ECNL teams. We also have 7 originals that were developed by our coaching staff.

there is enough talent in NTX but instead of developing it clubs focus on recruiting it. Oh and promising kids inside the club the glories of being on the ECNL team when they get older. Knowing full well that when you have the ECNL spot it is not about developing, it's about using that to recruit. So those kids can pay the club for years before they find out that being in a ECNL club serves no advantadge. Get to a team you can develope on and then when you get to that age, if you are good enough. The ECNL club will welcome you with open arms

go99 wrote:there is enough talent in NTX but instead of developing it clubs focus on recruiting it. Oh and promising kids inside the club the glories of being on the ECNL team when they get older. Knowing full well that when you have the ECNL spot it is not about developing, it's about using that to recruit. So those kids can pay the club for years before they find out that being in a ECNL club serves no advantadge. Get to a team you can develope on and then when you get to that age, if you are good enough. The ECNL club will welcome you with open arms

Keep telling yourself that. I really don't know if clubs are telling kids that they can eventually move to an ECNL team within their club. If your kid isn't a good enough athlete to compete on a high level, no amount of development can make them elite. But if your kid is good enough enough and develops on another team, you bet the ECNL team will take them. I can only tell you it hasn't happen on our team. And as I said before, we have 7 original members that developed just fine being on an ECNL team.