Re: Texas Rush expanding to North Texas?

by Uncle Numanga 03/05/13, 12:45 pm

go99 wrote:there is enough talent in NTX but instead of developing it clubs focus on recruiting it. Oh and promising kids inside the club the glories of being on the ECNL team when they get older. Knowing full well that when you have the ECNL spot it is not about developing, it's about using that to recruit. So those kids can pay the club for years before they find out that being in a ECNL club serves no advantadge. Get to a team you can develope on and then when you get to that age, if you are good enough. The ECNL club will welcome you with open arms

Keep telling yourself that. I really don't know if clubs are telling kids that they can eventually move to an ECNL team within their club. If your kid isn't a good enough athlete to compete on a high level, no amount of development can make them elite. But if your kid is good enough enough and develops on another team, you bet the ECNL team will take them. I can only tell you it hasn't happen on our team. And as I said before, we have 7 original members that developed just fine being on an ECNL team.

by txtransplant 03/05/13, 12:51 pm

Uncle Numanga wrote:I really don't know if clubs are telling kids that they can eventually move to an ECNL team within their club. If your kid isn't a good enough athlete to compete on a high level, no amount of development can make them elite.

I first heard the "don't go with your coach to that other club because if you do you won't be able to play ECNL" pitch when my DD was in academy. She was six at the time.

It's ridiculous, but does happen.

by go99 03/05/13, 12:56 pm

Wait I am confused. First it hasn't happend but then it did. 7 girls from inside the club and the Majority of it came from outside sources. You seem to be confirming what I said. The majority of the team are recruits so jumping to the club early seems to be a waste of time. Stay where you are because there are plenty of spots waiting for good players. And the come to our club because we have ECNL spots seems to be the true lie clubs use to get mommy and daddy to change clubs and pay academy fees.

So I will say there is a better chance of LP getting into the ECNL than there is of ECNL clubs using their own players to form their teams.

by Guest 03/05/13, 01:13 pm

go99 wrote:Wait I am confused. First it hasn't happend but then it did. 7 girls from inside the club and the Majority of it came from outside sources. You seem to be confirming what I said. The majority of the team are recruits so jumping to the club early seems to be a waste of time. Stay where you are because there are plenty of spots waiting for good players. And the come to our club because we have ECNL spots seems to be the true lie clubs use to get mommy and daddy to change clubs and pay academy fees.

So I will say there is a better chance of LP getting into the ECNL than there is of ECNL clubs using their own players to form their teams.

From my brief ECNL experience within my DD's club many of the players selected to the ECNL roster are from the club! The club had about 80 girls from three teams in the club in tryouts.

by go99 03/05/13, 01:19 pm

so your experience seems to be different than his

by 007shaken 03/05/13, 01:21 pm

Whatever the format, the basic rules of the game have not changed. The top players will gravitate to the top teams. The coaches of the top teams will not hesitate to take your kid over "a loyal club lifer" if your kid is better. The top 2 (possibly 3, but certainly not 5) teams will be most-heavily recruited by the top college soccer conferences.

And coaches using the term ECNL (or any other acronym referring to U14 and older kids) in pitching to academy parents should be laughed at.

by Uncle Numanga 03/05/13, 01:24 pm

go99 wrote:Wait I am confused. First it hasn't happend but then it did. 7 girls from inside the club and the Majority of it came from outside sources. You seem to be confirming what I said. The majority of the team are recruits so jumping to the club early seems to be a waste of time. Stay where you are because there are plenty of spots waiting for good players. And the come to our club because we have ECNL spots seems to be the true lie clubs use to get mommy and daddy to change clubs and pay academy fees.

So I will say there is a better chance of LP getting into the ECNL than there is of ECNL clubs using their own players to form their teams.

7 players played together for 10 years. The rest of our current players came from other ECNL teams. The majority of the other original 16 players either quit soccer or went to other teams. They were replaced by girls from other top teams not from insignificant clubs like LP.

There is no chance of Liverpool getting into ECNL. They have two good teams. The rest are below average.

by Uncle Numanga 03/05/13, 01:31 pm

UEFA wrote:
go99 wrote:Wait I am confused. First it hasn't happend but then it did. 7 girls from inside the club and the Majority of it came from outside sources. You seem to be confirming what I said. The majority of the team are recruits so jumping to the club early seems to be a waste of time. Stay where you are because there are plenty of spots waiting for good players. And the come to our club because we have ECNL spots seems to be the true lie clubs use to get mommy and daddy to change clubs and pay academy fees.

So I will say there is a better chance of LP getting into the ECNL than there is of ECNL clubs using their own players to form their teams.

From my brief ECNL experience within my DD's club many of the players selected to the ECNL roster are from the club! The club had about 80 girls from three teams in the club in tryouts.

Solar? Right?

by go99 03/05/13, 01:33 pm

well somebody was replaced by LP girls because pulp had some go to ECNL teams. And maybe up in your age group LP is insignificant but they are dominating the academy and all those girls eventually grow up. But speaking of insignificant, you may not like LP but it doesn't change the fact that it is the 3rd largest club in NTX and was about to pass Texans for the #2 spot.

by Guest 03/05/13, 01:37 pm

go99 wrote:well somebody was replaced by LP girls because pulp had some go to ECNL teams. And maybe up in your age group LP is insignificant but they are dominating the academy and all those girls eventually grow up. But speaking of insignificant, you may not like LP but it doesn't change the fact that it is the 3rd largest club in NTX and was about to pass Texans for the #2 spot.

LOL, I love it quantity over quality! That's the spirit! Keep up the good work! Oh by the way we will continue to take your quality and you can keep your quantity!

by Guest 03/05/13, 01:43 pm

go99 wrote: but they are dominating the academy and all those girls eventually grow up.

I can hear Unc singing along with Willie and Waylon right now...

"Mama don't let your babies grow up to be scousers
Don't let 'em pick Weddell or PulpDaddy too
Make 'em be Texans or wear Royal Blue..."

by go99 03/05/13, 01:44 pm

I really only care about the quality of 1 team and thats mine. But you are blinded by your own bias when you call the 2nd or 3rd largest club in NTX insignificant. I don't care for Hassan and Texans but would never claim they were insignificant. In fact if Hassan ran LP I would bet money that he could get them in ECNL and AL. He is shady but he knows how to get things done for his benefit.

by Uncle Numanga 03/05/13, 01:44 pm

bwgophers wrote:
go99 wrote: but they are dominating the academy and all those girls eventually grow up.

I can hear Unc singing along with Willie and Waylon right now...

"Mama don't let your babies grow up to be scousers
Don't let 'em pick Weddell or PulpDaddy too
Make 'em be Texans or wear Royal Blue..."

I would have to care even a little about LP to sing a song about them.

by go99 03/05/13, 01:50 pm

UEFA wrote:
go99 wrote:well somebody was replaced by LP girls because pulp had some go to ECNL teams. And maybe up in your age group LP is insignificant but they are dominating the academy and all those girls eventually grow up. But speaking of insignificant, you may not like LP but it doesn't change the fact that it is the 3rd largest club in NTX and was about to pass Texans for the #2 spot.

LOL, I love it quantity over quality! That's the spirit! Keep up the good work! Oh by the way we will continue to take your quality and you can keep your quantity!

well you tell me which it is. First its well LP only has the 00 and 98 (no quantity)
Then LP is one of the largest clubs in the area(quantity) so its oh sure but its all about quality
you know you can't sit on both sides of the fence without getting a stick in your a$%

But in the end you point out why LP will never be welcomed into the ECNL or AL. Why welcome you when I can starve you out and take your quality. The sooner those at the top recognize and accept it the better off they will be

by weatherbug 03/05/13, 01:54 pm

So is any club as a whole getting it "right"? At the club level are any dedicated to developing players while offering playing possibilities at every level- including most elite?

by go99 03/05/13, 01:55 pm

Uncle Numanga wrote:
bwgophers wrote:
go99 wrote: but they are dominating the academy and all those girls eventually grow up.

I can hear Unc singing along with Willie and Waylon right now...

"Mama don't let your babies grow up to be scousers
Don't let 'em pick Weddell or PulpDaddy too
Make 'em be Texans or wear Royal Blue..."

I would have to care even a little about LP to sing a song about them.

Fortunately I don't really care about any of the clubs unless they are gonna pay me. DD came from Texans with her coach and is in the best spot for and 04. BB has been at FCD and went to solar and next season will go where his best opportunity is. You guys can fall in love with your clubs and hate others I just care about my kid. And if ECNL is what she needs then when the time comes she will just come take a spot.

by go99 03/05/13, 01:57 pm

weatherbug wrote:So is any club as a whole getting it "right"? At the club level are any dedicated to developing players while offering playing possibilities at every level- including most elite?

NO!!!! I would focus on the team and coach. LP has some outstanding coaches and they have some that couldn't coach a fat kid to eat cake. oh and flowers are stupid

by Uncle Numanga 03/05/13, 02:01 pm

go99 wrote:I really only care about the quality of 1 team and thats mine. But you are blinded by your own bias when you call the 2nd or 3rd largest club in NTX insignificant. I don't care for Hassan and Texans but would never claim they were insignificant. In fact if Hassan ran LP I would bet money that he could get them in ECNL and AL. He is shady but he knows how to get things done for his benefit.

I also only care about 1 team, so at least we got that in common. But a club that only has 2 good teams in LHGCL is insignificant. Maybe in time they will be noteworthy. Just not now.

And if Hassan ran LP, I bet they would have better teams.

by go99 03/05/13, 02:06 pm

yep because he would have bought a D1 team in ever age group. Boys 98 D1 is about to lose its only texan team. He has already bought a club and making moves. I would be shoked if no D1 team shows up for texans. He is a master at the business

by Uncle Numanga 03/05/13, 02:18 pm

go99 wrote:yep because he would have bought a D1 team in ever age group. Boys 98 D1 is about to lose its only texan team. He has already bought a club and making moves. I would be shoked if no D1 team shows up for texans. He is a master at the business

Yes he is.

by Guest 03/05/13, 02:41 pm

go99 wrote:
Uncle Numanga wrote:
bwgophers wrote:
go99 wrote: but they are dominating the academy and all those girls eventually grow up.

I can hear Unc singing along with Willie and Waylon right now...

"Mama don't let your babies grow up to be scousers
Don't let 'em pick Weddell or PulpDaddy too
Make 'em be Texans or wear Royal Blue..."

I would have to care even a little about LP to sing a song about them.

Fortunately I don't really care about any of the clubs unless they are gonna pay me. DD came from Texans with her coach and is in the best spot for and 04. BB has been at FCD and went to solar and next season will go where his best opportunity is. You guys can fall in love with your clubs and hate others I just care about my kid. And if ECNL is what she needs then when the time comes she will just come take a spot.

Are you sure you are not paid? If you are not you should be- it could come out of their marketing budget maybe

by Reality check 03/05/13, 04:09 pm

go99 wrote:there is enough talent in NTX but instead of developing it clubs focus on recruiting it. Oh and promising kids inside the club the glories of being on the ECNL team when they get older. Knowing full well that when you have the ECNL spot it is not about developing, it's about using that to recruit. So those kids can pay the club for years before they find out that being in a ECNL club serves no advantadge. Get to a team you can develope on and then when you get to that age, if you are good enough. The ECNL club will welcome you with open arms

T or F:

Over half of LP Pulps 00 team played academy and/or select with another club?

True! Over half of his kids came from ECNL clubs over the past 3 years.

All top teams recruit to build and stay competitive. They will add a quality player from any club or team.

by go99 03/05/13, 04:41 pm

style points wrote:
go99 wrote:
Uncle Numanga wrote:
bwgophers wrote:
go99 wrote: but they are dominating the academy and all those girls eventually grow up.

I can hear Unc singing along with Willie and Waylon right now...

"Mama don't let your babies grow up to be scousers
Don't let 'em pick Weddell or PulpDaddy too
Make 'em be Texans or wear Royal Blue..."

I would have to care even a little about LP to sing a song about them.

Fortunately I don't really care about any of the clubs unless they are gonna pay me. DD came from Texans with her coach and is in the best spot for and 04. BB has been at FCD and went to solar and next season will go where his best opportunity is. You guys can fall in love with your clubs and hate others I just care about my kid. And if ECNL is what she needs then when the time comes she will just come take a spot.

Are you sure you are not paid? If you are not you should be- it could come out of their marketing budget maybe

Nope because if they did they would be in ECNL and AL right now. 1 of my degrees is in marketing though. Maybe I should drop of a resume at blue sky

by Packrabbit 04/05/13, 02:08 am

com·pe·ti·tion: noun \ˌkäm-pə-ˈti-shən\: the effort of two or more parties acting independently to secure the business of a third party by offering the most favorable terms

Why are clubs entitled any type of exclusivity to the players, coaches or its teams that it "develops"? Who else in the business world entitled to such perks?

Young ladies have to get better every year to keep their spots. Coaches have to win or find something else to do, somewhere else. Every other business has to fight to keep its client's goodwill and retain its talented employees (in NTX clubs' case-- "independent contractors"). If clubs don't or can't take care of its teams, players and coaches, the market says they should go to where they are more valued. Since when is business growth through acquisition a bad thing?

Per Go's contention, I think its great that LP's strength is developing players; its weakness is retaining their older ones. LP's current problems stem from a lack of strategic foresight, not "good ole boy networks, politics and money". Obviously, ECNL's success was a predictable event--five other NTX clubs anticipated it and got involved. If LP can't change its environment, perhaps it should move to one where it can better compete. Whining, crying and complaining about its environment -- losing its players (and most likely coaches to follow?) -- to its better strategically placed competition --is not a plan and definitely not competing. At the very least, it is a waste of a marketing degree and dollars.

by go99 04/05/13, 08:44 am

Packrabbit wrote:com·pe·ti·tion: noun \ˌkäm-pə-ˈti-shən\: the effort of two or more parties acting independently to secure the business of a third party by offering the most favorable terms

Why are clubs entitled any type of exclusivity to the players, coaches or its teams that it "develops"? Who else in the business world entitled to such perks?

Young ladies have to get better every year to keep their spots. Coaches have to win or find something else to do, somewhere else. Every other business has to fight to keep its client's goodwill and retain its talented employees (in NTX clubs' case-- "independent contractors"). If clubs don't or can't take care of its teams, players and coaches, the market says they should go to where they are more valued. Since when is business growth through acquisition a bad thing?

Per Go's contention, I think its great that LP's strength is developing players; its weakness is retaining their older ones. LP's current problems stem from a lack of strategic foresight, not "good ole boy networks, politics and money". Obviously, ECNL's success was a predictable event--five other NTX clubs anticipated it and got involved. If LP can't change its environment, perhaps it should move to one where it can better compete. Whining, crying and complaining about its environment -- losing its players (and most likely coaches to follow?) -- to its better strategically placed competition --is not a plan and definitely not competing. At the very least, it is a waste of a marketing degree and dollars.

Well clearly business analysis is not your strong point. LP was a reletively small entity at the intro of the AL and ECNL. Since then LP has gone on to surpass most of those club with foresight. And they have not been losing coaches they have been gaining them. The ECNL and AL from a financial perspective are not money makers they are resource drains that smaller clubs are being crushed by. If LP wants to take that next step as a club and be taken seriously as a place to develop and nurture soccer talent then needs to make those leagues or find viable alternative. The boys side has the semi pro LP warriors team but is still missing that gap between select and the semi pro team.

by Uncle Numanga 04/05/13, 09:30 am

Where is the proof that they can develop players? They have a bunch of academy kids but only 2 relevant LHGCL teams. To have a big academy system, all you need is to find a couple of coaches, spread them out around the far corners of the Metroplex, throw some cones down and claim to develop players. It really is genius on LP's part.

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