Texas Rush expanding to North Texas?

Reality check wrote:

soccerdad1969 wrote:Outside of ECNL possibilities, I fail to realize the benefits of any merger with a large club. If it's LP, they have no shortage of teams already. I don't see how the Rush name would attract any new clients unless the clubs name is not well known.

One benefit from a business standpoint would be consolidation of management and resources, but even that would be limited IMO.

I guess we'll know soon enough.

From what I have heard LP has no desire to join ECNL and that they believe premier league and national league offers the best competition and opportunity for their players.

What else would you expect them to say?

Reality check wrote:

From what I have heard LP has no desire to join ECNL and that they believe premier league and national league offers the best competition and opportunity for their players.

If that is what they really think, they're idiots.

Reality check wrote:

soccerdad1969 wrote:Outside of ECNL possibilities, I fail to realize the benefits of any merger with a large club. If it's LP, they have no shortage of teams already. I don't see how the Rush name would attract any new clients unless the clubs name is not well known.

One benefit from a business standpoint would be consolidation of management and resources, but even that would be limited IMO.

I guess we'll know soon enough.

From what I have heard LP has no desire to join ECNL and that they believe premier league and national league offers the best competition and opportunity for their players.

Then why did they apply to ECNL the last two years and also approach a local ECNL club about the possibility of allowing LP players the opportunity to play on ECNL teams?

Typical LP spin, one side of their mouth disputes the value of ECNL while the other side says anything it can to try to join.

Here is the business spin of the situation for everyone who is not an idiot. The ECNL is stupid and I will do these other much better options. Unless I get into it, then it is the best development model out there.


Now reality is somewhere between. The ECNL is a waste of time and money as a league but a necessity to get into the showcase tournaments. Then there is the marketing side of clubs using ECNL status to recruit players all the way down into the academy. To take that next step as a club LP will need the ECNL and Academy League bids. In the mean time there is nothing wrong with trying to come up with alternatives for their players

Kansas/KC area also has a division of Rush

Gunner9 wrote:The Colorado Rush guys always wanted to take over the world of youth soccer. No surprise they're coming here.


Colorado, Virginia, Michigan, Iowa, New Mexico, South Texas, New Jersey....there may be others I don't know about.

Kansas also has a division of Rush as I was training a GK that played for Rush when I did an internship in that area.

[quote="go99"]Here is the business spin of the situation for everyone who is not an idiot. The ECNL is stupid and I will do these other much better options. Unless I get into it, then it is the best development model out there.


Now reality is somewhere between. The ECNL is a waste of time and money as a league but a necessity to get into the showcase tournaments. Then there is the marketing side of clubs using ECNL status to recruit players all the way down into the academy. To take that next step as a club LP will need the ECNL and Academy League bids. In the mean time there is nothing wrong with trying to come up with alternatives for their players


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ECNL is a league Geared towards development just like USSF on the boys side but ran by US Club which IMO is a lot better than LHGCL. Their Motto is More Training Less Meaningful Games and the League is Ran by Soccer Coaches not Staff Members that are not qualified or played at high levels. Here is the reality, LP will not get an ECNL bye as North Texas Does not have any more Byes into ECNL for the Next 8 Years, the next expansion within Region 3 is possibly OKC and or AR. LP does not have quality facilities to enter ECNL, I have heard the "were getting onto ECNL pitch from both LW and CP" so they they can get my little one; but I know they are not getting in. Rush is in but they are in but in order for the LP players to play in ECNL they can only Play for Houston (Texas Conference) Colorado Rush (Mountain West Conference) and or Virginia Rush (Mid Atlantic Conference). Its just my opinion that ECNL was the best thing for our Older one as far as the little one she likes her coach and we will continue that avenue until she is about 10 and we will then makle a jump into an ECNL Club (i.e. solar, fc dallas, feet)

well you got the less meaningful games part right. Paying to travel for what are sometime uncompetitive games. Make no mistake I believe in the ECNL but there are ways to get into the ECNL. What you are talking about is "expansion" not taking place for 8 yrs. But this is a business and LP getting both an ECNL and AL spot has more to do with the top people at LP than it does with US club and USSF.

BTW if it is geared towards development and ran by such smart caring people then why would they send a message to every club in texas and the US that we don't care how many players you develope of how much beter of a job you do. We aren't letting you in our special league for another 8yrs? Sounds like a money grab run by an old boy network geared to help them strengthen their own clubs and line their own pockets

Until ECNL has incorporated a system of relegation/adjustment it will not be the elite league that it claims. In most regions, SoCal and NTX in particular, you have clubs resting on past laurels that have to recruit entire teams to try and fill their ECNL slots.

The comments about facilities as a requirement are laughable as well. You don't have to look further than our own backyard to disprove that one.

The reality is the "ECNL idea" has been kicking around forever. The clubs wanted greater control of their own destiny. They fought LHGCL for "club byes" rather than team byes. They got it. Then they fought for flexible rosters and guaranteed spots in an "elite" league. They got it. Now its like working for the federal government. Perform or not, you have a job for life.

That said, for college recruiting, ECNL is currently the best vehicle for kids. Limited resources for an equivalency sport dictates the coaches must go where they get the most bang for the buck. So, the ECNL events have replaced some of The traditional showcase events. The problem is that some clubs under the ECNL banner are doing it well as they always did. Others, not so much.

On the girls side of National League, which starts at u15, there are a total of 63 teams. Of those 63 teams only 2 of them are from North Texas. I would have expected more teams from North Texas in the National League.

Liverpool homers out en masse on this one!

I have heard that solar is enjoying there new players that have come over from Liverpool to play ECNL. Liverpool is doing a good job developing player to move to ECNL clubs come u-13

007shaken wrote:Until ECNL has incorporated a system of relegation/adjustment it will not be the elite league that it claims. In most regions, SoCal and NTX in particular, you have clubs resting on past laurels that have to recruit entire teams to try and fill their ECNL slots.

The comments about facilities as a requirement are laughable as well. You don't have to look further than our own backyard to disprove that one.

The reality is the "ECNL idea" has been kicking around forever. The clubs wanted greater control of their own destiny. They fought LHGCL for "club byes" rather than team byes. They got it. Then they fought for flexible rosters and guaranteed spots in an "elite" league. They got it. Now its like working for the federal government. Perform or not, you have a job for life.

That said, for college recruiting, ECNL is currently the best vehicle for kids. Limited resources for an equivalency sport dictates the coaches must go where they get the most bang for the buck. So, the ECNL events have replaced some of The traditional showcase events. The problem is that some clubs under the ECNL banner are doing it well as they always did. Others, not so much.

I have heard rumors of them addressing the issue of two leagues. The idea is that each ECNL club will produce to teams A team, B team. I forgot what the coaches were calling the second tier league. Maybe someone else can elaborate.

right now the ECNL is the best place for eyeballs but lets not pretend is a improved development model. Same s#$t different pile. And as far as LP goes. Parents from the other clubs should hope LP gets a spot or convinces their players to stay put. Otherwise you dd's will get stuck on the regular team as LP girls come in to take their spots in the ECNL

go99 wrote:right now the ECNL is the best place for eyeballs but lets not pretend is a improved development model. Same s#$t different pile. And as far as LP goes. Parents from the other clubs should hope LP gets a spot or convinces their players to stay put. Otherwise you dd's will get stuck on the regular team as LP girls come in to take their spots in the ECNL

You're funny.

I try

But I think if you are a 98 or an 00 the last thing you want to see is a flood of pulpdaddy's girls coming out to ECNL at your club. Great for the club, not so great for the girl who gets replaced

go99 wrote:I try

But I think if you are a 98 or an 00 the last thing you want to see is a flood of pulpdaddy's girls coming out to ECNL at your club. Great for the club, not so great for the girl who gets replaced

As a parent of an '00, I couldn't disagree more.

okay is your dd on an ECNL team? How about this for the LP girls that left and are currently on a ECNL team there is some girl who is not who might have otherwise been there. But yeah for the top players they will see it as the more the merrier and are always happy to see better talent to play with. So I am guessing your DD is on the top end and not in danger of being replaced

go99 wrote:okay is your dd on an ECNL team? How about this for the LP girls that left and are currently on a ECNL team there is some girl who is not who might have otherwise been there. But yeah for the top players they will see it as the more the merrier and are always happy to see better talent to play with. So I am guessing your DD is on the top end and not in danger of being replaced

No parent wants their kid to be replaced. Unfortunately it's part of the process and will eventually touch almost everyone. Thinking you can avoid it or shelter your kid by not wanting better players to come over is a very short-sighted way to approach it, at least in my opinion. I've always felt that you place your kid with the best players they're capable of playing with and then let their abilities/work rate/etc sort out where they stand. If that means they're eventually replaced, then so be it.

I agree 100% although I feel we are both in the minority in that regard.

go99 wrote:right now the ECNL is the best place for eyeballs but lets not pretend is a improved development model. Same s#$t different pile. And as far as LP goes. Parents from the other clubs should hope LP gets a spot or convinces their players to stay put. Otherwise you dd's will get stuck on the regular team as LP girls come in to take their spots in the ECNL

Go99, I think you are generalizing that a bit too much. LP players in their individual capacity, are not that much different from the rest of the ECNL and non-ECNL players. Actually, some are a bit misplaced in that regard.

Put them together, they are very cohesive and play well in CP's system and that is what makes the LP 98s and 00s Elite teams look great, and by extension, the players also 'feel and seem' great. If you pluck those players and spread them across other teams, I have a feeling you will be hard pressed to recognize the majority of them.

So yes, they can go to any 98s or 00s ECNL teams and will have to go past the 'I am from LP Elite' mantra and actually show they can keep up with the rest.

I am sure I am generalizing but there have apparently been some that have already proven me right by moving past the "I am from LP Elite" and actually showed they could take a spot.

go99 wrote:I am sure I am generalizing but there have apparently been some that have already proven me right by moving past the "I am from LP Elite" and actually showed they could take a spot.

That I agree......and that is how it should be. Evolve or go down.

So, Rush is not expanding to North Texas? Just a fly by night rumor?

go99 wrote:right now the ECNL is the best place for eyeballs but lets not pretend is a improved development model. Same s#$t different pile. And as far as LP goes. Parents from the other clubs should hope LP gets a spot or convinces their players to stay put. Otherwise you dd's will get stuck on the regular team as LP girls come in to take their spots in the ECNL

ECNL spot - never going to happen
Player staying an not leaving for an ECNL club - never going to happen
Pulp is awesome keep up the good work!

Does ECNL evaluate a clubs performance once accepted and review if continued membership is warranted? Or are clubs members 4 life?