Re: Solar Coaches Not Being Paid??

by Guest 11/06/12, 08:06 am

soccersounder wrote:
bigtex75081 wrote:
smbush wrote:Great additional discussions topics on cost.

All the while, Solar coaches still without pay for their services.
I am not a professional coach but I’m a professional in whatever-it-is-that-I-do. Where I work…

- If the company you work for didn’t pay your salary (for any period of time) then you would leave to find a new employer.
- If the money you were owed was significant, you’d contact someone (BBB, Attorney, Union Rep, etc.) to work on your behalf to recoup your lost wages.
- The threat of a class action lawsuit is probably enough to loosen up some cash flow, even if it needs to come out of the club president's personal account.

If this was my world, I’d look at the leverage that’s available to me…

- I’d work to unify the coaches. As a group, we would say to Solar, “Hey guys. If you don’t get us back to level within the next 7 days then ALL of us are leaving and we’re taking our players with us.” If they asked for more time we’d say, “You’ve already had 2 months. That’s 2 more months than we should have given you. We are being generous with 7 more days. The 7 days starts right now.”
- This would work because Solar’s leadership should quickly realize that a new training facility has no value if they don’t have any teams to use it.

The Solar coaches need to own this issue, not parents on a message board. Trying to get us excited accomplishes nothing because it’s the Solar coaches that have to worry about bouncing checks, not us.

The thing with Solar is they operate "small club style" on the business side.. The fact is the Solar so-called top coaches and coaches of the top teams over there are personal friends with the top guy or even have a piece of ownership. It does seem bad from the outside, but I'm betting it will have no effect on the top coaches/teams...

Besides, if Kat has not left yet, everything must be A.O.K.

She gets paid directly by the parents before the club ever gets a sniff. Smart on her part obviously.

by imabee 11/06/12, 08:36 am

In acadamy years, we paid the coach directly. In select years it goes to the club then the coach. If Kat had a select team, her pay for that team would come from the club.

Our coach has been paid.

by inthenet 11/06/12, 08:56 am

imabee wrote:In acadamy years, we paid the coach directly. In select years it goes to the club then the coach. If Kat had a select team, her pay for that team would come from the club.

Our coach has been paid.

Some coaches have been paid in full, some have not.

I wonder what it means to be one of the ones that have not been paid? I would guess it would really tick someone off to find out that they're being treated differently from other coaches?

by Mr T 11/06/12, 12:18 pm

[/quote]
Some coaches have been paid in full, some have not.

I wonder what it means to be one of the ones that have not been paid? I would guess it would really tick someone off to find out that they're being treated differently from other coaches?[/quote]

Have the teams of those coaches not being paid met all of their financial obligations with the club?

by my2cents 11/06/12, 12:28 pm

inthenet wrote:
imabee wrote:In acadamy years, we paid the coach directly. In select years it goes to the club then the coach. If Kat had a select team, her pay for that team would come from the club.

Our coach has been paid.

Some coaches have been paid in full, some have not.

I wonder what it means to be one of the ones that have not been paid? I would guess it would really tick someone off to find out that they're being treated differently from other coaches?

I know that this is just another wild out there conspiracy theory but maybe, just maybe, the ones that have not been paid have a full time regular jobs and can wait until the huge July 1st cash influx. Maybe, just maybe, they are willing to do this to help the club out. Just a wild guess since I don't here of any teams leaving or disbanding because of cash managment problems.

by inthenet 11/06/12, 12:33 pm

my2cents wrote:
inthenet wrote:
imabee wrote:In acadamy years, we paid the coach directly. In select years it goes to the club then the coach. If Kat had a select team, her pay for that team would come from the club.

Our coach has been paid.

Some coaches have been paid in full, some have not.

I wonder what it means to be one of the ones that have not been paid? I would guess it would really tick someone off to find out that they're being treated differently from other coaches?

I know that this is just another wild out there conspiracy theory but maybe, just maybe, the ones that have not been paid have a full time regular jobs and can wait until the huge July 1st cash influx. Maybe, just maybe, they are willing to do this to help the club out. Just a wild guess since I don't here of any teams leaving or disbanding because of cash managment problems.

Tell us about the "huge July 1st cash influx"

by golgolgol 11/06/12, 12:37 pm

inthenet wrote:
Tell us about the "huge July 1st cash influx"

Um, it's called signing day.... happens every year. you should know about this, it's the day all the parents cringe when they pull the checkbook out.

by inthenet 11/06/12, 12:42 pm

golgolgol wrote:
inthenet wrote:
Tell us about the "huge July 1st cash influx"

Um, it's called signing day.... happens every year. you should know about this, it's the day all the parents cringe when they pull the checkbook out.

Ah, yes. Signing day.

I was thinking in terms of the magic money that has been on its way, "any day now" from parts unknown for the last two months.

Yes, things will likely be well until at least early next year when the team's payments end for the year.

by 2028 12/06/12, 01:08 pm

Sounds pretty smart on Solar’s part to me. If the coach wants paid he has to stay around until he gets his team signed up. That’s one way to keep the coaches from straying.

by TorquauyU 12/06/12, 01:16 pm

What what

by bigtex75081 12/06/12, 02:26 pm

I get that the new money coming in after July 1st will resolve the short-term problem BUT if they use money from this year to pay salaries due from last year, won’t they just have an identical issue at the end of the upcoming year when this year’s income runs out?

Once the capital gets committed to that land, it’s not coming back out for a long, long time. The only way to avoid having the exact same issue with the coaches’ salaries in the upcoming year will be to either (1) reduce their costs or (2) get that lump sum of money we’ve heard about or (3) find ways to generate new income.

If the club is successful in acquiring this new facility, they definitely won’t be on a path to reduce their operating costs. That lump sum of money apparently hasn’t arrived and it’s past-due by 2+ months. So if the first two options aren’t going to happen, that means they’ll need to create new income instead because the club will definitely not see an immediate return on their real estate investment.

Where is the new income going to come from to prevent this identical issue from happening at the end of the upcoming year? Will it just be resolved via increased fees to families? Come July 1st… I expect Solar will be forced to (1) raise dues or (2) reduce scholarships and other costs or (3) just struggle to stay afloat.

by Seven 12/06/12, 02:52 pm

bigtex75081 wrote:I get that the new money coming in after July 1st will resolve the short-term problem BUT if they use money from this year to pay salaries due from last year, won’t they just have an identical issue at the end of the upcoming year when this year’s income runs out?

Once the capital gets committed to that land, it’s not coming back out for a long, long time. The only way to avoid having the exact same issue with the coaches’ salaries in the upcoming year will be to either (1) reduce their costs or (2) get that lump sum of money we’ve heard about or (3) find ways to generate new income.

If the club is successful in acquiring this new facility, they definitely won’t be on a path to reduce their operating costs. That lump sum of money apparently hasn’t arrived and it’s past-due by 2+ months. So if the first two options aren’t going to happen, that means they’ll need to create new income instead because the club will definitely not see an immediate return on their real estate investment.

Where is the new income going to come from to prevent this identical issue from happening at the end of the upcoming year? Will it just be resolved via increased fees to families? Come July 1st… I expect Solar will be forced to (1) raise dues or (2) reduce scholarships and other costs or (3) just struggle to stay afloat.

maybe they need a bailout?

by imabee 12/06/12, 02:53 pm

Solar dues have not been raised. Coaches set their own fees. It seems they are working very hard to stay in business. If Solar was going to go belly up, I think it would have happened a few years back when that whole financial fiasco went down. But I know I do not know everthing, just trying to offer some additional info.

by TorquauyU 12/06/12, 03:18 pm

I hope all soccer clubs in the U.S. fail. Club soccer is a whacked model. It eliminates the poor kids from being involved.

by CharlieSheen's Brain 12/06/12, 03:26 pm

TorquauyU wrote:I hope all soccer clubs in the U.S. fail. Club soccer is a whacked model. It eliminates the poor kids from being involved.

Winning

by Pele98 13/06/12, 10:52 am

TorquauyU wrote:I hope all soccer clubs in the U.S. fail. Club soccer is a whacked model. It eliminates the poor kids from being involved.

Sure. Soccer should follow the models of Lacrosse, Ice Hockey, Tennis, Gymnastics and Golf..... confused

by 90thminute 13/06/12, 12:32 pm

imabee wrote:Solar dues have not been raised.

Maybe not this year, but Solar over the long term has been in the drivers seat for select soccer cost escalation. And all those extra dues apparently funded a nice living for their president.

Of course the real question that should be hitting everyone is:
if my club increased dues because it saw parents were willing to pay Solar's increased dues but Solar's dues were just permitting its president to skim close to a million dollars from Solar, what are my club's increased dues funding now?

by i need my arshavin 13/06/12, 01:18 pm

TorquauyU wrote:I hope all soccer clubs in the U.S. fail. Club soccer is a whacked model. It eliminates the poor kids from being involved.

There are independent clubs y'know?

by coachr 13/06/12, 01:26 pm

Pele98 wrote:
TorquauyU wrote:I hope all soccer clubs in the U.S. fail. Club soccer is a whacked model. It eliminates the poor kids from being involved.

Sure. Soccer should follow the models of Lacrosse, Ice Hockey, Tennis, Gymnastics and Golf.....

I don't know the lacrosse model or hockey model but I'm pretty sure the USA has been world or Olympic champs in hockey and gymnastics and had several world number one players in Tennis. The USA women have won gold but that may be over since we can't rely on our volume of female talent. The USA men have won nothing. In soccer I care far more about the performance of the men.

by coachr 13/06/12, 01:29 pm

i need my arshavin wrote:
TorquauyU wrote:I hope all soccer clubs in the U.S. fail. Club soccer is a whacked model. It eliminates the poor kids from being involved.

There are independent clubs y'know?

An improvement sure but until our kids are learning the game in the streets and back alleys then we'll never be a serious soccer country.

by coachr 13/06/12, 01:32 pm

TorquauyU wrote:I hope all soccer clubs in the U.S. fail. Club soccer is a whacked model. It eliminates the poor kids from being involved.

I'm with you dude!

by InaB 13/06/12, 02:03 pm

90thminute wrote:
imabee wrote:Solar dues have not been raised.

Maybe not this year, but Solar over the long term has been in the drivers seat for select soccer cost escalation. And all those extra dues apparently funded a nice living for their president.

Of course the real question that should be hitting everyone is:
if my club increased dues because it saw parents were willing to pay Solar's increased dues but Solar's dues were just permitting its president to skim close to a million dollars from Solar, what are my club's increased dues funding now?

OK, I get the fact that there will always be people who loved to kick clubs around (what other excitement would they have). I don't know what every other major club charges, but I do know that there are a number of clubs who charge more than Solar. As to the "permitting the club's president to skim" from what I have been told - Solar didn't permit him anything. He took it upon himself to take those funds and leave the club high and dry. As to increasing the dues, someone already posted that they are not raising the dues just to raise them. Every club is getting hit to cover our wonderful new fields at UTD.

Now for a lighter side. A young boy is sitting with his grandpa and he asks him if he could make a frog sound. The grandpa asks why? The little boy says just cause. The grandpa asks again and finally the little boy says because mama said when you croak we're going to Disneyworld.

Peace out cheers

by soccersounder 13/06/12, 02:22 pm

coachr wrote:
i need my arshavin wrote:
TorquauyU wrote:I hope all soccer clubs in the U.S. fail. Club soccer is a whacked model. It eliminates the poor kids from being involved.

There are independent clubs y'know?
An improvement sure but until our kids are learning the game in the streets and back alleys then we'll never be a serious soccer country.

Two different things here Coach. The U.S. is already a top 3 Country on the Women's side..... So I guess it works for the girls

For the boys?? It is obvious and true to say the lower income kids are not welcome with open arms.. And they do it much different all around the world... But the real difference in the US is that Kobe and Lebron and Jeter and Josh Hamilton and Randy Moss and Michael Vick dont play soccer... If they did, the system would not matter..

Now how do you get those kids to play?? Good question and money is a big part of it

by Guest 13/06/12, 02:33 pm

If my dd's coach was not being paid by the club, I would quit paying the club and give the check directly to the coach. As for Solar, I've said it before and will say it again: I can't fathom why they would be having such financial problems given the rates this club charges combined with the fact that they rent their fields. The overhead should not be that much more than any other club that rents space on public parks. My guess is it's either piss-poor money management, over-payment of the upper tier coaches, savings toward a new facility that could be years away, or a combination thereof.

by bigtex75081 13/06/12, 03:23 pm

Solar has already proven that they charge more than they need to. For those of you that take exception to this statement, please explain how $800K just casually disappeared a few years ago? Was that money just sitting in a bowl on a table? That money disappeared while it was sitting idle. It walked out the door because it wasn’t connected to anything concrete.

Since that incident the fees at Solar have not decreased. The club continued to charge extra in order to restore that lost capital.

Now the club is in debt to its own employees. Along with that, the leadership team has just made a serious real estate commitment on land that needs to be developed. Developing that land for soccer use will be expensive. That project will also take a long time to complete before those fields can be used and none of those expenses have been realized yet.

Please explain to me how Solar will survive without raising dues for this upcoming season? I’m curious how this will be explained to the families that are preparing to sign a year-long contract.

by Pele98 13/06/12, 03:28 pm

coachr wrote:
Pele98 wrote:
TorquauyU wrote:I hope all soccer clubs in the U.S. fail. Club soccer is a whacked model. It eliminates the poor kids from being involved.

Sure. Soccer should follow the models of Lacrosse, Ice Hockey, Tennis, Gymnastics and Golf.....
I don't know the lacrosse model or hockey model but I'm pretty sure the USA has been world or Olympic champs in hockey and gymnastics and had several world number one players in Tennis. The USA women have won gold but that may be over since we can't rely on our volume of female talent. The USA men have won nothing. In soccer I care far more about the performance of the men.

Coachr, I was being sarcastic.....if you didn't catch it. The sports I listed are usually deemed as Rich people sports..... Cool

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