Solar Coaches Not Being Paid??

As I've mentioned before, what still blows my mind in all of this is how much parents will pay for nothing more than a club name and rented fields. You've got many hundreds of parents shelling out $2500 - $2800 a year at places like Solar and Andromeda, but where is the money going? If it is being saved for a future facility, then your child is not getting what you are currently paying for. And for that matter, we've all seen how well such clubs do when it comes to saving money, right?

The smart action is to pay as little as possible for the best coaching one can get for the money. If the club you choose actually owns its own facility (such as Sting and Texans) or rents a really great facility (FC Dallas), you will understandably pay more. But if the club is charging facility-owned rates and your team is practicing on any spot of grass they can find, you're probably not getting your money's worth if the dues are over around $1500 a year. It's simple math.

Xara wrote:As I've mentioned before, what still blows my mind in all of this is how much parents will pay for nothing more than a club name and rented fields. You've got many hundreds of parents shelling out $2500 - $2800 a year at places like Solar and Andromeda, but where is the money going? If it is being saved for a future facility, then your child is not getting what you are currently paying for. And for that matter, we've all seen how well such clubs do when it comes to saving money, right?

The smart action is to pay as little as possible for the best coaching one can get for the money. If the club you choose actually owns its own facility (such as Sting and Texans) or rents a really great facility (FC Dallas), you will understandably pay more. But if the club is charging facility-owned rates and your team is practicing on any spot of grass they can find, you're probably not getting your money's worth if the dues are over around $1500 a year. It's simple math.

Agreed. Paying now for a facility that will be constructed at some point in the future is like building a house at your expense that someone else is going to live in.

We need to stop paying these huge prices just because we're told to do so. If we're going to be paying this much money then we should have a firm understanding of exactly where (and why) that money is going. That won't happen though. Too many of us are willing to just write a check and look the other way.

bigtex75081 wrote:

Xara wrote:As I've mentioned before, what still blows my mind in all of this is how much parents will pay for nothing more than a club name and rented fields. You've got many hundreds of parents shelling out $2500 - $2800 a year at places like Solar and Andromeda, but where is the money going? If it is being saved for a future facility, then your child is not getting what you are currently paying for. And for that matter, we've all seen how well such clubs do when it comes to saving money, right?

The smart action is to pay as little as possible for the best coaching one can get for the money. If the club you choose actually owns its own facility (such as Sting and Texans) or rents a really great facility (FC Dallas), you will understandably pay more. But if the club is charging facility-owned rates and your team is practicing on any spot of grass they can find, you're probably not getting your money's worth if the dues are over around $1500 a year. It's simple math.

Agreed. Paying now for a facility that will be constructed at some point in the future is like building a house at your expense that someone else is going to live in.

We need to stop paying these huge prices just because we're told to do so. If we're going to be paying this much money then we should have a firm understanding of exactly where (and why) that money is going. That won't happen though. Too many of us are willing to just write a check and look the other way.

I agree 100% we should know where our money is going. However does it really matter if you spend X dollars and the club/team owns its own facility and fields or you spend the same X dollars and the club/team rents fields or you spend the same X dollars and the team practices on a public spot of grass?
As long as they have a decent place to practice it doesn't matter if they own it (or are in debt to a bank), rent it or borrow it. More important to me is the quality of the coaching and organization of the team/club. I am going to spend X dollars for my dd to play soccer and get quality coaching and I am not going to pay more just because a team has a facility.

bigtex75081 wrote:

Xara wrote:As I've mentioned before, what still blows my mind in all of this is how much parents will pay for nothing more than a club name and rented fields. You've got many hundreds of parents shelling out $2500 - $2800 a year at places like Solar and Andromeda, but where is the money going? If it is being saved for a future facility, then your child is not getting what you are currently paying for. And for that matter, we've all seen how well such clubs do when it comes to saving money, right?

The smart action is to pay as little as possible for the best coaching one can get for the money. If the club you choose actually owns its own facility (such as Sting and Texans) or rents a really great facility (FC Dallas), you will understandably pay more. But if the club is charging facility-owned rates and your team is practicing on any spot of grass they can find, you're probably not getting your money's worth if the dues are over around $1500 a year. It's simple math.

Agreed. Paying now for a facility that will be constructed at some point in the future is like building a house at your expense that someone else is going to live in.

We need to stop paying these huge prices just because we're told to do so. If we're going to be paying this much money then we should have a firm understanding of exactly where (and why) that money is going. That won't happen though. Too many of us are willing to just write a check and look the other way.

With you part of the way, then you go off the deep end. Older players will never see the benefit of these fields. Solar management has never felt they had to answer to anyone other than themselves. They'll pay coaches when they feel the need, and if they decide they want to develop fields in lieu of paying them, they'll do that, too. A complete lack of concern about their own teams by jerking them around with practice fields, practice times, changing fields and times on almost a moments notice, etc.

Would I want them running my business, or would I want to work for someone like them. Not a chance. The arrogance that has been displayed for years is overwhelming.

But why is it any of our business where the money is going (or why)? You are paying for the coaching, training, playing leagues, tournaments, practice fields, etc., that you're getting for your dd. You're not paying for the club. If you really like your coach, and he says he's going to move his team from Club A to Club B, do you say "sorry coach, we only want to play for Club A, so we're staying?

If you feel you're getting your money's worth from your dd's coach and team, that's all that really matters. If not, look elsewhere. This has been debated so many times before. When you make other large purchases, do you evaluate the seller's expenses to verify that they are to your satisfaction?

I suspect you look for value for the money spent. For some reason, in youth soccer, there seems to be a need to be so much more involved.

Now if you want to invest in Solar, I'm sure they would welcome your money. Then you have every right to understand where they're spending their money and why.

I would focus on the things that matter to your dd, i.e. the coach, the players, the practice location, what league they play in, and what tournaments they intend to participate in. If you're getting what your dd needs, and you're comfortable with the amount you're being asked to pay, that's all that should matter to you.

inthenet wrote:

bigtex75081 wrote:

Xara wrote:As I've mentioned before, what still blows my mind in all of this is how much parents will pay for nothing more than a club name and rented fields. You've got many hundreds of parents shelling out $2500 - $2800 a year at places like Solar and Andromeda, but where is the money going? If it is being saved for a future facility, then your child is not getting what you are currently paying for. And for that matter, we've all seen how well such clubs do when it comes to saving money, right?

The smart action is to pay as little as possible for the best coaching one can get for the money. If the club you choose actually owns its own facility (such as Sting and Texans) or rents a really great facility (FC Dallas), you will understandably pay more. But if the club is charging facility-owned rates and your team is practicing on any spot of grass they can find, you're probably not getting your money's worth if the dues are over around $1500 a year. It's simple math.

Agreed. Paying now for a facility that will be constructed at some point in the future is like building a house at your expense that someone else is going to live in.

We need to stop paying these huge prices just because we're told to do so. If we're going to be paying this much money then we should have a firm understanding of exactly where (and why) that money is going. That won't happen though. Too many of us are willing to just write a check and look the other way.

With you part of the way, then you go off the deep end. Older players will never see the benefit of these fields. Solar management has never felt they had to answer to anyone other than themselves. They'll pay coaches when they feel the need, and if they decide they want to develop fields in lieu of paying them, they'll do that, too. A complete lack of concern about their own teams by jerking them around with practice fields, practice times, changing fields and times on almost a moments notice, etc.

Would I want them running my business, or would I want to work for someone like them. Not a chance. The arrogance that has been displayed for years is overwhelming.

But why is it any of our business where the money is going (or why)? You are paying for the coaching, training, playing leagues, tournaments, practice fields, etc., that you're getting for your dd. You're not paying for the club. If you really like your coach, and he says he's going to move his team from Club A to Club B, do you say "sorry coach, we only want to play for Club A, so we're staying?

If you feel you're getting your money's worth from your dd's coach and team, that's all that really matters. If not, look elsewhere. This has been debated so many times before. When you make other large purchases, do you evaluate the seller's expenses to verify that they are to your satisfaction?

I suspect you look for value for the money spent. For some reason, in youth soccer, there seems to be a need to be so much more involved.

Now if you want to invest in Solar, I'm sure they would welcome your money. Then you have every right to understand where they're spending their money and why.

I would focus on the things that matter to your dd, i.e. the coach, the players, the practice location, what league they play in, and what tournaments they intend to participate in. If you're getting what your dd needs, and you're comfortable with the amount you're being asked to pay, that's all that should matter to you.

I probably just have a different mentality as consumer in this situation.

When I pay for car repairs I expect to see an itemized bill so I understand the differences between the parts and labor costs. I realize the total bill is still going to be $1000 but I like to understand what I’m paying for. It keeps things honest. It helps me know I’m not being cheated by the mechanic.

When I eat at a restaurant, I prefer to see an itemized bill. I know the bill will still be $40 but it helps me know that I was charged correctly.

I’ve never built my dream home but someday I probably will. When I do that I’m going to expect clearly itemized bills. I’ll expect to understand the differences between the materials and labor costs. The house will still cost $1000000 but the billing will help me understand what I’m paying for. It will help me understand what value I’m getting for my money and know I’m being dealt with honestly.

I agree that with you that what really matters is if my family is pleased with our purchases.

I agree with Xara’s stance though. I want to understand how a club that trains on public-use fields is going to charge identical rates as another club that maintains training facilities privately. The club that maintains training facilities privately should cost more. The club that trains on public-use fields should cost less because they have fewer expenses. If they don’t cost less, where is that extra money going? Are they charging the high rate simply because they can? Probably... but we’re allowing them to do so by not asking. If they're charging us a high rate simply because they can, that hurts all of us as consumers in this market.

bigtex75081 wrote:

inthenet wrote:

bigtex75081 wrote:

Xara wrote:As I've mentioned before, what still blows my mind in all of this is how much parents will pay for nothing more than a club name and rented fields. You've got many hundreds of parents shelling out $2500 - $2800 a year at places like Solar and Andromeda, but where is the money going? If it is being saved for a future facility, then your child is not getting what you are currently paying for. And for that matter, we've all seen how well such clubs do when it comes to saving money, right?

The smart action is to pay as little as possible for the best coaching one can get for the money. If the club you choose actually owns its own facility (such as Sting and Texans) or rents a really great facility (FC Dallas), you will understandably pay more. But if the club is charging facility-owned rates and your team is practicing on any spot of grass they can find, you're probably not getting your money's worth if the dues are over around $1500 a year. It's simple math.

Agreed. Paying now for a facility that will be constructed at some point in the future is like building a house at your expense that someone else is going to live in.

We need to stop paying these huge prices just because we're told to do so. If we're going to be paying this much money then we should have a firm understanding of exactly where (and why) that money is going. That won't happen though. Too many of us are willing to just write a check and look the other way.

With you part of the way, then you go off the deep end. Older players will never see the benefit of these fields. Solar management has never felt they had to answer to anyone other than themselves. They'll pay coaches when they feel the need, and if they decide they want to develop fields in lieu of paying them, they'll do that, too. A complete lack of concern about their own teams by jerking them around with practice fields, practice times, changing fields and times on almost a moments notice, etc.

Would I want them running my business, or would I want to work for someone like them. Not a chance. The arrogance that has been displayed for years is overwhelming.

But why is it any of our business where the money is going (or why)? You are paying for the coaching, training, playing leagues, tournaments, practice fields, etc., that you're getting for your dd. You're not paying for the club. If you really like your coach, and he says he's going to move his team from Club A to Club B, do you say "sorry coach, we only want to play for Club A, so we're staying?

If you feel you're getting your money's worth from your dd's coach and team, that's all that really matters. If not, look elsewhere. This has been debated so many times before. When you make other large purchases, do you evaluate the seller's expenses to verify that they are to your satisfaction?

I suspect you look for value for the money spent. For some reason, in youth soccer, there seems to be a need to be so much more involved.

Now if you want to invest in Solar, I'm sure they would welcome your money. Then you have every right to understand where they're spending their money and why.

I would focus on the things that matter to your dd, i.e. the coach, the players, the practice location, what league they play in, and what tournaments they intend to participate in. If you're getting what your dd needs, and you're comfortable with the amount you're being asked to pay, that's all that should matter to you.

I probably just have a different mentality as consumer in this situation.

When I pay for car repairs I expect to see an itemized bill so I understand the differences between the parts and labor costs. I realize the total bill is still going to be $1000 but I like to understand what I’m paying for. It keeps things honest. It helps me know I’m not being cheated by the mechanic.

When I eat at a restaurant, I prefer to see an itemized bill. I know the bill will still be $40 but it helps me know that I was charged correctly.

I’ve never built my dream home but someday I probably will. When I do that I’m going to expect clearly itemized bills. I’ll expect to understand the differences between the materials and labor costs. The house will still cost $1000000 but the billing will help me understand what I’m paying for. It will help me understand what value I’m getting for my money and know I’m being dealt with honestly.

I agree that with you that what really matters is if my family is pleased with our purchases.

I agree with Xara’s stance though. I want to understand how a club that trains on public-use fields is going to charge identical rates as another club that maintains training facilities privately. The club that maintains training facilities privately should cost more. The club that trains on public-use fields should cost less because they have fewer expenses. If they don’t cost less, where is that extra money going? Are they charging the high rate simply because they can? Probably... but we’re allowing them to do so by not asking. If they're charging us a high rate simply because they can, that hurts all of us as consumers in this market.

When you get a bill at a restaurant do you get a breakdown of the cost of each ingredient in your meal? Do you request the amount the restaurant paid for each?
If your mechanic has to borrow a tool to fix your car do you expect your bill to be cheaper than if he had already bought the tool?

I think accounting and accountable is good however I think the judgment is on the overall product and quality of the product. When you get your bill at Chili's you have no idea how much of that burger cost is allocated to overhead, or profit or ff&e. You simply are presented with a bill that says $7.95 for a mushroom burger. If you like it, you eat it and pay for it. If you don't you don't go back or you try something else. We as consumers are entitled to know what we are paying for and then we make a value decision and at the end of the meal ( or in this case a year) we don’t like the product we chose with our feet. Besides that it is not our business and we do not have the "right" to know the details of how the cost is built unless the organization wants to tell us.

Now off for lunch and a burger !!!

bigtex75081 wrote:I probably just have a different mentality as consumer in this situation.

When I pay for car repairs I expect to see an itemized bill so I understand the differences between the parts and labor costs. I realize the total bill is still going to be $1000 but I like to understand what I’m paying for. It keeps things honest. It helps me know I’m not being cheated by the mechanic.

When I eat at a restaurant, I prefer to see an itemized bill. I know the bill will still be $40 but it helps me know that I was charged correctly.

I’ve never built my dream home but someday I probably will. When I do that I’m going to expect clearly itemized bills. I’ll expect to understand the differences between the materials and labor costs. The house will still cost $1000000 but the billing will help me understand what I’m paying for. It will help me understand what value I’m getting for my money and know I’m being dealt with honestly.

I agree that with you that what really matters is if my family is pleased with our purchases.

I agree with Xara’s stance though. I want to understand how a club that trains on public-use fields is going to charge identical rates as another club that maintains training facilities privately. The club that maintains training facilities privately should cost more. The club that trains on public-use fields should cost less because they have fewer expenses. If they don’t cost less, where is that extra money going? Are they charging the high rate simply because they can? Probably... but we’re allowing them to do so by not asking. If they're charging us a high rate simply because they can, that hurts all of us as consumers in this market.

I still don't get it. The fact sheet you get breaks down what you're getting, how many practices, what league you're playing, what tournaments they're expecting to play in, etc. That's not much different from the bill you get at your restaurant for the dinner. You don't get how much they paid for the fish, or the steak, or the potatoes.

We all know where clubs are practicing, and whether they are a private location or a public park. If you feel that practicing at a public park is worth less than practicing at a private facility, then devalue it in your own mind, and go somewhere else.

There is a club for everyone, whether its a large club, a medium, or a small one. I think trying to place a financial value on whether they have a private or public facility is kind of nuts. As someone mentioned, how would you value a Texans contract? I suspect that at some level a piece of every team's funds goes to cover the overhead at the Ross-Stewart complex.

Do you think all of the Sting teams are practicing in Richardson?

Now you may want to just say you only want to play on a team that practices at one or the other, but expecting the club to tell you how its money is being spent is unreasonable, in my opinion.

By the way, do you really think that when you build your dream home you're going to get an itemized bill for the materials used and the labor used? Unless you're contracting it yourself, you'll get nowhere near that. If you use a large builder, you'll know what the base price of the home is, then you'll get the adds (or subtracts) from your individual choices. If you're using a smaller custom builder, any itemized bill you get from them will likely include their selling price to you for the items you've selected, not the builder's purchase price, margin, and labor content. The exception to this would be a time and materials contract with a builder, which might get you more detail.

I don't really think you're that naive to believe any of your analogies are reasonable comparisons to what you're asking for.

soccer4fun wrote:I think accounting and accountable is good however I think the judgment is on the overall product and quality of the product. When you get your bill at Chili's you have no idea how much of that burger cost is allocated to overhead, or profit or ff&e. You simply are presented with a bill that says $7.95 for a mushroom burger. If you like it, you eat it and pay for it. If you don't you don't go back or you try something else. We as consumers are entitled to know what we are paying for and then we make a value decision and at the end of the meal ( or in this case a year) we don’t like the product we chose with our feet. Besides that it is not our business and we do not have the "right" to know the details of how the cost is built unless the organization wants to tell us.

Now off for lunch and a burger !!!

I also think chilis is paying the cook, busboy, waiter,manager and hostess too, solar apparently is not paying the people YOU paid for to coach our kids...,,

inthenet wrote:

bigtex75081 wrote:I probably just have a different mentality as consumer in this situation.

When I pay for car repairs I expect to see an itemized bill so I understand the differences between the parts and labor costs. I realize the total bill is still going to be $1000 but I like to understand what I’m paying for. It keeps things honest. It helps me know I’m not being cheated by the mechanic.

When I eat at a restaurant, I prefer to see an itemized bill. I know the bill will still be $40 but it helps me know that I was charged correctly.

I’ve never built my dream home but someday I probably will. When I do that I’m going to expect clearly itemized bills. I’ll expect to understand the differences between the materials and labor costs. The house will still cost $1000000 but the billing will help me understand what I’m paying for. It will help me understand what value I’m getting for my money and know I’m being dealt with honestly.

I agree that with you that what really matters is if my family is pleased with our purchases.

I agree with Xara’s stance though. I want to understand how a club that trains on public-use fields is going to charge identical rates as another club that maintains training facilities privately. The club that maintains training facilities privately should cost more. The club that trains on public-use fields should cost less because they have fewer expenses. If they don’t cost less, where is that extra money going? Are they charging the high rate simply because they can? Probably... but we’re allowing them to do so by not asking. If they're charging us a high rate simply because they can, that hurts all of us as consumers in this market.

I still don't get it. The fact sheet you get breaks down what you're getting, how many practices, what league you're playing, what tournaments they're expecting to play in, etc. That's not much different from the bill you get at your restaurant for the dinner. You don't get how much they paid for the fish, or the steak, or the potatoes.

We all know where clubs are practicing, and whether they are a private location or a public park. If you feel that practicing at a public park is worth less than practicing at a private facility, then devalue it in your own mind, and go somewhere else.

There is a club for everyone, whether its a large club, a medium, or a small one. I think trying to place a financial value on whether they have a private or public facility is kind of nuts. As someone mentioned, how would you value a Texans contract? I suspect that at some level a piece of every team's funds goes to cover the overhead at the Ross-Stewart complex.

Do you think all of the Sting teams are practicing in Richardson?

Now you may want to just say you only want to play on a team that practices at one or the other, but expecting the club to tell you how its money is being spent is unreasonable, in my opinion.

By the way, do you really think that when you build your dream home you're going to get an itemized bill for the materials used and the labor used? Unless you're contracting it yourself, you'll get nowhere near that. If you use a large builder, you'll know what the base price of the home is, then you'll get the adds (or subtracts) from your individual choices. If you're using a smaller custom builder, any itemized bill you get from them will likely include their selling price to you for the items you've selected, not the builder's purchase price, margin, and labor content. The exception to this would be a time and materials contract with a builder, which might get you more detail.

I don't really think you're that naive to believe any of your analogies are reasonable comparisons to what you're asking for.

I have GOT to sell something to you, inthenet.

Since this has turned into a thread about costs, how much of this will be directly passed on to parents?


http://girlsclassicleague.com/2012fees.php

http://girlsclassicleague.com/lhgclfees.php

JeffM wrote:Since this has turned into a thread about costs, how much of this will be directly passed on to parents?


http://girlsclassicleague.com/2012fees.php

http://girlsclassicleague.com/lhgclfees.php

150%

JeffM wrote:Since this has turned into a thread about costs, how much of this will be directly passed on to parents?


http://girlsclassicleague.com/2012fees.php

http://girlsclassicleague.com/lhgclfees.php

Yeah, I'm surprised there hasn't been a thread started about this. A 38% increase (from $650 to $900) in fall/spring league fees in 1 year seems like quite a jump.

newtothis wrote:

JeffM wrote:Since this has turned into a thread about costs, how much of this will be directly passed on to parents?


http://girlsclassicleague.com/2012fees.php

http://girlsclassicleague.com/lhgclfees.php

150%

Such cynicism! I don't believe you are "newtothis"

LonDrew wrote:

JeffM wrote:Since this has turned into a thread about costs, how much of this will be directly passed on to parents?


http://girlsclassicleague.com/2012fees.php

http://girlsclassicleague.com/lhgclfees.php

Yeah, I'm surprised there hasn't been a thread started about this. A 38% increase (from $650 to $900) in league fees in 1 year seems like quite a jump.

Shall we?

JeffM wrote:

LonDrew wrote:

JeffM wrote:Since this has turned into a thread about costs, how much of this will be directly passed on to parents?


http://girlsclassicleague.com/2012fees.php

http://girlsclassicleague.com/lhgclfees.php

Yeah, I'm surprised there hasn't been a thread started about this. A 38% increase (from $650 to $900) in league fees in 1 year seems like quite a jump.

Shall we?

Well, this would equate to a little more than $30/player increase on a 16-player team. That is, unless the clubs use the 150%-rule menioned by newtothis. On second thought, I'm not sure anyone will really care.

wow, so by a rough estimate because I'm too lazy to actually count the exact number of teams, Lake Highlands will take in $604,800 a year.

That's about 2800 a team in fees, times around 216 teams from all age groups combined.

They only have one full time paying position, the director, who makes around $60k a year I think based on docs posted a couple years ago.

This does not include ref fees, as teams pay those each game.

so does it really cost $500,000 a year to rent fields and maintain them?

JeffM wrote:Since this has turned into a thread about costs, how much of this will be directly passed on to parents?


http://girlsclassicleague.com/2012fees.php

http://girlsclassicleague.com/lhgclfees.php

Will the fee increase translate to better quality and/or better services?

Throw in Premier League fees, Regionals and Nationals Fees and all of a sudden things get crazy pretty quick.


Wait a minute........this thread is about "Solar Coaches Not Being Paid".

I am out.

golgolgol wrote:wow, so by a rough estimate because I'm too lazy to actually count the exact number of teams, Lake Highlands will take in $604,800 a year.

That's about 2800 a team in fees, times around 216 teams from all age groups combined.

They only have one full time paying position, the director, who makes around $60k a year I think based on docs posted a couple years ago.

This does not include ref fees, as teams pay those each game.

so does it really cost $500,000 a year to rent fields and maintain them?

That total is just staggering. The league collects that much money because they can. I’m sure they have some justification for the increase but they’re really making that increase because they know they can. If they thought they’d lose business because of this change then they wouldn’t do it.

There’s nothing and nobody in place that will tell them they can’t. The only people that could tell them this increase is unacceptable are leaders of the big clubs. The leaders of the big clubs won’t do that because of the relationship they have already established with LHGCL. They’d be foolish to jeopardize their relationship with that league. The leaders of the big clubs won’t say a peep and instead they’ll just pass the increased costs right on to their customers instead. Then, a large majority of us won’t even notice the minor increase in our fees on the Facts Sheet that some teams do provide.

Having been involved on the board of a rec assoc. I am not surprised by the 500k number. Field usage fees would eat a up a lot of that. There are many administrative expenses involved too. Referee assignors, ref assesors (their website says this is where some of the increase is going), running a web site, scheduling and registration software (got soccer isn't even close to being free), NTSSA fees, insurance, web site and webmaster, etc, etc.

Great additional discussions topics on cost.

All the while, Solar coaches still without pay for their services.

smbush wrote:Great additional discussions topics on cost.

All the while, Solar coaches still without pay for their services.

I am not a professional coach but I’m a professional in whatever-it-is-that-I-do. Where I work…

- If the company you work for didn’t pay your salary (for any period of time) then you would leave to find a new employer.
- If the money you were owed was significant, you’d contact someone (BBB, Attorney, Union Rep, etc.) to work on your behalf to recoup your lost wages.
- The threat of a class action lawsuit is probably enough to loosen up some cash flow, even if it needs to come out of the club president's personal account.

If this was my world, I’d look at the leverage that’s available to me…

- I’d work to unify the coaches. As a group, we would say to Solar, “Hey guys. If you don’t get us back to level within the next 7 days then ALL of us are leaving and we’re taking our players with us.” If they asked for more time we’d say, “You’ve already had 2 months. That’s 2 more months than we should have given you. We are being generous with 7 more days. The 7 days starts right now.”
- This would work because Solar’s leadership should quickly realize that a new training facility has no value if they don’t have any teams to use it.

The Solar coaches need to own this issue, not parents on a message board. Trying to get us excited accomplishes nothing because it’s the Solar coaches that have to worry about bouncing checks, not us.

bigtex75081 wrote:

smbush wrote:Great additional discussions topics on cost.

All the while, Solar coaches still without pay for their services.

I am not a professional coach but I’m a professional in whatever-it-is-that-I-do. Where I work…

- If the company you work for didn’t pay your salary (for any period of time) then you would leave to find a new employer.
- If the money you were owed was significant, you’d contact someone (BBB, Attorney, Union Rep, etc.) to work on your behalf to recoup your lost wages.
- The threat of a class action lawsuit is probably enough to loosen up some cash flow, even if it needs to come out of the club president's personal account.

If this was my world, I’d look at the leverage that’s available to me…

- I’d work to unify the coaches. As a group, we would say to Solar, “Hey guys. If you don’t get us back to level within the next 7 days then ALL of us are leaving and we’re taking our players with us.” If they asked for more time we’d say, “You’ve already had 2 months. That’s 2 more months than we should have given you. We are being generous with 7 more days. The 7 days starts right now.”
- This would work because Solar’s leadership should quickly realize that a new training facility has no value if they don’t have any teams to use it.

The Solar coaches need to own this issue, not parents on a message board. Trying to get us excited accomplishes nothing because it’s the Solar coaches that have to worry about bouncing checks, not us.

The thing with Solar is they operate "small club style" on the business side.. The fact is the Solar so-called top coaches and coaches of the top teams over there are personal friends with the top guy or even have a piece of ownership. It does seem bad from the outside, but I'm betting it will have no effect on the top coaches/teams...

Besides, if Kat has not left yet, everything must be A.O.K.

soccersounder wrote:

bigtex75081 wrote:

smbush wrote:Great additional discussions topics on cost.

All the while, Solar coaches still without pay for their services.

I am not a professional coach but I’m a professional in whatever-it-is-that-I-do. Where I work…

- If the company you work for didn’t pay your salary (for any period of time) then you would leave to find a new employer.
- If the money you were owed was significant, you’d contact someone (BBB, Attorney, Union Rep, etc.) to work on your behalf to recoup your lost wages.
- The threat of a class action lawsuit is probably enough to loosen up some cash flow, even if it needs to come out of the club president's personal account.

If this was my world, I’d look at the leverage that’s available to me…

- I’d work to unify the coaches. As a group, we would say to Solar, “Hey guys. If you don’t get us back to level within the next 7 days then ALL of us are leaving and we’re taking our players with us.” If they asked for more time we’d say, “You’ve already had 2 months. That’s 2 more months than we should have given you. We are being generous with 7 more days. The 7 days starts right now.”
- This would work because Solar’s leadership should quickly realize that a new training facility has no value if they don’t have any teams to use it.

The Solar coaches need to own this issue, not parents on a message board. Trying to get us excited accomplishes nothing because it’s the Solar coaches that have to worry about bouncing checks, not us.

The thing with Solar is they operate "small club style" on the business side.. The fact is the Solar so-called top coaches and coaches of the top teams over there are personal friends with the top guy or even have a piece of ownership. It does seem bad from the outside, but I'm betting it will have no effect on the top coaches/teams...

Besides, if Kat has not left yet, everything must be A.O.K.

Who is Kat?

Still no paychecks...............

soccersounder wrote:

bigtex75081 wrote:

smbush wrote:Great additional discussions topics on cost.

All the while, Solar coaches still without pay for their services.

I am not a professional coach but I’m a professional in whatever-it-is-that-I-do. Where I work…

- If the company you work for didn’t pay your salary (for any period of time) then you would leave to find a new employer.
- If the money you were owed was significant, you’d contact someone (BBB, Attorney, Union Rep, etc.) to work on your behalf to recoup your lost wages.
- The threat of a class action lawsuit is probably enough to loosen up some cash flow, even if it needs to come out of the club president's personal account.

If this was my world, I’d look at the leverage that’s available to me…

- I’d work to unify the coaches. As a group, we would say to Solar, “Hey guys. If you don’t get us back to level within the next 7 days then ALL of us are leaving and we’re taking our players with us.” If they asked for more time we’d say, “You’ve already had 2 months. That’s 2 more months than we should have given you. We are being generous with 7 more days. The 7 days starts right now.”
- This would work because Solar’s leadership should quickly realize that a new training facility has no value if they don’t have any teams to use it.

The Solar coaches need to own this issue, not parents on a message board. Trying to get us excited accomplishes nothing because it’s the Solar coaches that have to worry about bouncing checks, not us.

The thing with Solar is they operate "small club style" on the business side.. The fact is the Solar so-called top coaches and coaches of the top teams over there are personal friends with the top guy or even have a piece of ownership. It does seem bad from the outside, but I'm betting it will have no effect on the top coaches/teams...

Besides, if Kat has not left yet, everything must be A.O.K.

She gets paid directly by the parents before the club ever gets a sniff. Smart on her part obviously.