If the 05's qualified this year

Like...stick around because he is getting an older team, or stick around to watch this one grow up? --cause I kinda wanted the preview.

Seven wrote:Garrett has an 00 D1 team

Thanks for clarifying Seven.  I didnt know if it was Aaron or Melissa.

No problem. I am just here to help

tpitty wrote:Like...stick around because he is getting an older team, or stick around to watch this one grow up? --cause I kinda wanted the preview.

Watching this one grow up might have to do. I agree, though, it'll be fun to see it when it happens.

TatonkaBurger wrote:

Lakedad wrote:

TatonkaBurger wrote:

tpitty wrote:

thunderlipz wrote:Big question is are these coaches mentioned even going to take their respective teams select? I would guess Pulp & Farley will, but Drake & Scarfone are known for passing their teams off.

Not sure of the relevance?  

I thought this topic was about what it would look like if the 05s qualified this year.  If that was the case, history tells us that Drake & Scarfone would not be coaching in this age group.  That's relevant.

Doesn't the same apply to D'feeters?  Colon doesn't have any Select teams does he?

I don't know each of these coach's histories but it looks like Drake, Diaz, Colon, Arnold, Parsons, Voutier, Garrett, and Scarfone only have academy level teams and no select teams.  Have any of them had one in the past?

I believe Drake has a PPL league team this year, and both Garrett, recently, and Scarfone, a few years ago, have been in LH.

Whether or not the coaches listed here have select teams this year, I anticipate all of them, perhaps with Skip being the exception, will be guiding teams into select next year.

I wish them all good luck!

To me, the rankings are crap, as long as guest players are permitted. If you take 2 or 3 of the best girls from Pulp, Diaz, Adames coached teams, and play them on numerous games for a lower ranked team (say below 30) -- that lower ranked team will find itself in the top 25. That's what happened to the PAL U9 winners this year. Almost every game featured top players from Adames, and even one top player from Sting Diaz team.

Given what I have seen between time at DTS and FC Storm, We should stop fooling ourselves to think academy is truly academy around here. It is just another word for select. And if it is select, it's time to lock the rosters down in league play - period. Start rewarding the full time players on your roster.... not the subs and guest players with play time. Or is it really academy?

Some coaches are all about winning, and winning alone. There is no loyalty to the kids that are full time rostered to their teams --- they get 5-10 minutes of play in favor of the guest/part time elite players, all in the name of winning, and at the full time players' expense. If this age group is not yet truly 'select', then why are so many coaches running it as so? And any coach that tells you that your kid should only be playing soccer, and is not flexible towards your son/daughter playing other sports that they excel at does NOT have your child's best interest at heart. Period.

Yes!Yes!Yes! wrote:To me, the rankings are crap, as long as guest players are permitted.  If you take 2 or 3 of the best girls from Pulp, Diaz, Adames coached teams,  and play them on numerous games for a lower ranked team (say below 30) -- that lower ranked team will find itself in the top 25. That's what happened to the PAL U9 winners this year. Almost every game featured top players from Adames, and even one top player from Sting Diaz team.  

Given what I have seen between time at DTS and FC Storm, We should stop fooling ourselves to think academy is truly academy around here. It is just another word for select.  And if it is select, it's time to lock the rosters down in league play - period.  Start rewarding the full time players on your roster.... not the subs and guest players with play time.  Or is it really academy?

Some coaches are all about winning, and winning alone. There is no loyalty to the kids that are full time rostered to their teams --- they get 5-10 minutes of play in favor of the guest/part time elite players, all in the name of winning, and at the full time players' expense.  If this age group is not yet truly 'select', then why are so many coaches running it as so?  And any coach that tells you that your kid should only be playing soccer, and is not flexible towards your son/daughter playing other sports that they excel at does NOT have your child's best interest at heart. Period.

If you don't like the way a coach runs his team, go find a new team.  There are a lot out there.  And yes, this is academy so fluid rosters, flexibility and guest players are the name of the game.  I'm not a huge fan of it either, but it is allowed, and so it happens.  But not every coach does it so find one that doesn't.

TatonkaBurger wrote:

Yes!Yes!Yes! wrote:To me, the rankings are crap, as long as guest players are permitted.  If you take 2 or 3 of the best girls from Pulp, Diaz, Adames coached teams,  and play them on numerous games for a lower ranked team (say below 30) -- that lower ranked team will find itself in the top 25. That's what happened to the PAL U9 winners this year. Almost every game featured top players from Adames, and even one top player from Sting Diaz team.  

Given what I have seen between time at DTS and FC Storm, We should stop fooling ourselves to think academy is truly academy around here. It is just another word for select.  And if it is select, it's time to lock the rosters down in league play - period.  Start rewarding the full time players on your roster.... not the subs and guest players with play time.  Or is it really academy?

Some coaches are all about winning, and winning alone. There is no loyalty to the kids that are full time rostered to their teams --- they get 5-10 minutes of play in favor of the guest/part time elite players, all in the name of winning, and at the full time players' expense.  If this age group is not yet truly 'select', then why are so many coaches running it as so?  And any coach that tells you that your kid should only be playing soccer, and is not flexible towards your son/daughter playing other sports that they excel at does NOT have your child's best interest at heart. Period.

If you don't like the way a coach runs his team, go find a new team.  There are a lot out there.  And yes, this is academy so fluid rosters, flexibility and guest players are the name of the game.  I'm not a huge fan of it either, but it is allowed, and so it happens.  But not every coach does it so find one that doesn't.

On the contrary, I'm a big believer in allowing academy players the opportunity to guest with other teams.  1. It provides extra touches and allows the player to work on their individual skill and 2. it provides the parents valuable insight into other teams coaches and parents.  

In this year leading up to select, we often see shakeups as players move, kids get cut and teams fold.  There are a number of variables that can lead your kid to be looking in from the outside.  Having a couple of teams you could go to and be happy is not a bad thing.  Everyone should have a backup plan!  Even if it is spending more time on the lake  

Lakedad wrote:

TatonkaBurger wrote:

Yes!Yes!Yes! wrote:To me, the rankings are crap, as long as guest players are permitted.  If you take 2 or 3 of the best girls from Pulp, Diaz, Adames coached teams,  and play them on numerous games for a lower ranked team (say below 30) -- that lower ranked team will find itself in the top 25. That's what happened to the PAL U9 winners this year. Almost every game featured top players from Adames, and even one top player from Sting Diaz team.  

Given what I have seen between time at DTS and FC Storm, We should stop fooling ourselves to think academy is truly academy around here. It is just another word for select.  And if it is select, it's time to lock the rosters down in league play - period.  Start rewarding the full time players on your roster.... not the subs and guest players with play time.  Or is it really academy?

Some coaches are all about winning, and winning alone. There is no loyalty to the kids that are full time rostered to their teams --- they get 5-10 minutes of play in favor of the guest/part time elite players, all in the name of winning, and at the full time players' expense.  If this age group is not yet truly 'select', then why are so many coaches running it as so?  And any coach that tells you that your kid should only be playing soccer, and is not flexible towards your son/daughter playing other sports that they excel at does NOT have your child's best interest at heart. Period.

If you don't like the way a coach runs his team, go find a new team.  There are a lot out there.  And yes, this is academy so fluid rosters, flexibility and guest players are the name of the game.  I'm not a huge fan of it either, but it is allowed, and so it happens.  But not every coach does it so find one that doesn't.

On the contrary, I'm a big believer in allowing academy players the opportunity to guest with other teams.  1. It provides extra touches and allows the player to work on their individual skill and 2. it provides the parents valuable insight into other teams coaches and parents.  

In this year leading up to select, we often see shakeups as players move, kids get cut and teams fold.  There are a number of variables that can lead your kid to be looking in from the outside.  Having a couple of teams you could go to and be happy is not a bad thing.  Everyone should have a backup plan!  Even if it is spending more time on the lake  

My point is, guest players should be at the end of the bench. Not starting on the field ahead of the full time players. It's wrong. And it's indefensible.

Yes!Yes!Yes! wrote:

Lakedad wrote:

TatonkaBurger wrote:

Yes!Yes!Yes! wrote:To me, the rankings are crap, as long as guest players are permitted.  If you take 2 or 3 of the best girls from Pulp, Diaz, Adames coached teams,  and play them on numerous games for a lower ranked team (say below 30) -- that lower ranked team will find itself in the top 25. That's what happened to the PAL U9 winners this year. Almost every game featured top players from Adames, and even one top player from Sting Diaz team.  

Given what I have seen between time at DTS and FC Storm, We should stop fooling ourselves to think academy is truly academy around here. It is just another word for select.  And if it is select, it's time to lock the rosters down in league play - period.  Start rewarding the full time players on your roster.... not the subs and guest players with play time.  Or is it really academy?

Some coaches are all about winning, and winning alone. There is no loyalty to the kids that are full time rostered to their teams --- they get 5-10 minutes of play in favor of the guest/part time elite players, all in the name of winning, and at the full time players' expense.  If this age group is not yet truly 'select', then why are so many coaches running it as so?  And any coach that tells you that your kid should only be playing soccer, and is not flexible towards your son/daughter playing other sports that they excel at does NOT have your child's best interest at heart. Period.

If you don't like the way a coach runs his team, go find a new team.  There are a lot out there.  And yes, this is academy so fluid rosters, flexibility and guest players are the name of the game.  I'm not a huge fan of it either, but it is allowed, and so it happens.  But not every coach does it so find one that doesn't.

On the contrary, I'm a big believer in allowing academy players the opportunity to guest with other teams.  1. It provides extra touches and allows the player to work on their individual skill and 2. it provides the parents valuable insight into other teams coaches and parents.  

In this year leading up to select, we often see shakeups as players move, kids get cut and teams fold.  There are a number of variables that can lead your kid to be looking in from the outside.  Having a couple of teams you could go to and be happy is not a bad thing.  Everyone should have a backup plan!  Even if it is spending more time on the lake  

My point is, guest players should be at the end of the bench. Not starting on the field ahead of the full time players. It's wrong.  And it's indefensible.  

It sounds like you really need to find a new team for your DD.

I disagree with using guest players only to win but completely agree with the recruiting aspect of guesting for a team and all of the benefits to the kids that LakeDad mentioned.

TatonkaBurger wrote:

Yes!Yes!Yes! wrote:

Lakedad wrote:

TatonkaBurger wrote:

Yes!Yes!Yes! wrote:To me, the rankings are crap, as long as guest players are permitted.  If you take 2 or 3 of the best girls from Pulp, Diaz, Adames coached teams,  and play them on numerous games for a lower ranked team (say below 30) -- that lower ranked team will find itself in the top 25. That's what happened to the PAL U9 winners this year. Almost every game featured top players from Adames, and even one top player from Sting Diaz team.  

Given what I have seen between time at DTS and FC Storm, We should stop fooling ourselves to think academy is truly academy around here. It is just another word for select.  And if it is select, it's time to lock the rosters down in league play - period.  Start rewarding the full time players on your roster.... not the subs and guest players with play time.  Or is it really academy?

Some coaches are all about winning, and winning alone. There is no loyalty to the kids that are full time rostered to their teams --- they get 5-10 minutes of play in favor of the guest/part time elite players, all in the name of winning, and at the full time players' expense.  If this age group is not yet truly 'select', then why are so many coaches running it as so?  And any coach that tells you that your kid should only be playing soccer, and is not flexible towards your son/daughter playing other sports that they excel at does NOT have your child's best interest at heart. Period.

If you don't like the way a coach runs his team, go find a new team.  There are a lot out there.  And yes, this is academy so fluid rosters, flexibility and guest players are the name of the game.  I'm not a huge fan of it either, but it is allowed, and so it happens.  But not every coach does it so find one that doesn't.

On the contrary, I'm a big believer in allowing academy players the opportunity to guest with other teams.  1. It provides extra touches and allows the player to work on their individual skill and 2. it provides the parents valuable insight into other teams coaches and parents.  

In this year leading up to select, we often see shakeups as players move, kids get cut and teams fold.  There are a number of variables that can lead your kid to be looking in from the outside.  Having a couple of teams you could go to and be happy is not a bad thing.  Everyone should have a backup plan!  Even if it is spending more time on the lake  

My point is, guest players should be at the end of the bench. Not starting on the field ahead of the full time players. It's wrong.  And it's indefensible.  

It sounds like you really need to find a new team for your DD.

I disagree with using guest players only to win but completely agree with the recruiting aspect of guesting for a team and all of the benefits to the kids that LakeDad mentioned.

It's tough to watch your kid sitting on the bench when the coach is starting the guest players. But if we are being honest, the coach is trying to make the team better and if that coach feels the current roster isn't going to get them where they want the team to be, the coach will roll out the red carpet to recruit players they feel are more athletic or developed. Not the sunny side of sports, but all do it.

TatonkaBurger wrote:

Yes!Yes!Yes! wrote:

Lakedad wrote:

TatonkaBurger wrote:

Yes!Yes!Yes! wrote:To me, the rankings are crap, as long as guest players are permitted.  If you take 2 or 3 of the best girls from Pulp, Diaz, Adames coached teams,  and play them on numerous games for a lower ranked team (say below 30) -- that lower ranked team will find itself in the top 25. That's what happened to the PAL U9 winners this year. Almost every game featured top players from Adames, and even one top player from Sting Diaz team.  

Given what I have seen between time at DTS and FC Storm, We should stop fooling ourselves to think academy is truly academy around here. It is just another word for select.  And if it is select, it's time to lock the rosters down in league play - period.  Start rewarding the full time players on your roster.... not the subs and guest players with play time.  Or is it really academy?

Some coaches are all about winning, and winning alone. There is no loyalty to the kids that are full time rostered to their teams --- they get 5-10 minutes of play in favor of the guest/part time elite players, all in the name of winning, and at the full time players' expense.  If this age group is not yet truly 'select', then why are so many coaches running it as so?  And any coach that tells you that your kid should only be playing soccer, and is not flexible towards your son/daughter playing other sports that they excel at does NOT have your child's best interest at heart. Period.

If you don't like the way a coach runs his team, go find a new team.  There are a lot out there.  And yes, this is academy so fluid rosters, flexibility and guest players are the name of the game.  I'm not a huge fan of it either, but it is allowed, and so it happens.  But not every coach does it so find one that doesn't.

On the contrary, I'm a big believer in allowing academy players the opportunity to guest with other teams.  1. It provides extra touches and allows the player to work on their individual skill and 2. it provides the parents valuable insight into other teams coaches and parents.  

In this year leading up to select, we often see shakeups as players move, kids get cut and teams fold.  There are a number of variables that can lead your kid to be looking in from the outside.  Having a couple of teams you could go to and be happy is not a bad thing.  Everyone should have a backup plan!  Even if it is spending more time on the lake  

My point is, guest players should be at the end of the bench. Not starting on the field ahead of the full time players. It's wrong.  And it's indefensible.  

It sounds like you really need to find a new team for your DD.

I disagree with using guest players only to win but completely agree with the recruiting aspect of guesting for a team and all of the benefits to the kids that LakeDad mentioned.

Done.

Yes!Yes!Yes! wrote:To me, the rankings are crap, as long as guest players are permitted.  If you take 2 or 3 of the best girls from Pulp, Diaz, Adames coached teams,  and play them on numerous games for a lower ranked team (say below 30) -- that lower ranked team will find itself in the top 25. That's what happened to the PAL U9 winners this year. Almost every game featured top players from Adames, and even one top player from Sting Diaz team.  

Given what I have seen between time at DTS and FC Storm, We should stop fooling ourselves to think academy is truly academy around here. It is just another word for select.  And if it is select, it's time to lock the rosters down in league play - period.  Start rewarding the full time players on your roster.... not the subs and guest players with play time.  Or is it really academy?

Some coaches are all about winning, and winning alone. There is no loyalty to the kids that are full time rostered to their teams --- they get 5-10 minutes of play in favor of the guest/part time elite players, all in the name of winning, and at the full time players' expense.  If this age group is not yet truly 'select', then why are so many coaches running it as so?  And any coach that tells you that your kid should only be playing soccer, and is not flexible towards your son/daughter playing other sports that they excel at does NOT have your child's best interest at heart. Period.

My understanding was that the DTS Red team was a new splinter off the main DTS 05 team and didn't have enough players for a full team in the spring, so they borrowed some players.  However, if the borrowed players were playing ahead of the actual team members, I take your point.  Now, though, I think they have enough to play without borrowing.  It should be interesting to see how they do on their own with a newly formed group.

Lakedad wrote:

TatonkaBurger wrote:

Yes!Yes!Yes! wrote:To me, the rankings are crap, as long as guest players are permitted.  If you take 2 or 3 of the best girls from Pulp, Diaz, Adames coached teams,  and play them on numerous games for a lower ranked team (say below 30) -- that lower ranked team will find itself in the top 25. That's what happened to the PAL U9 winners this year. Almost every game featured top players from Adames, and even one top player from Sting Diaz team.  

Given what I have seen between time at DTS and FC Storm, We should stop fooling ourselves to think academy is truly academy around here. It is just another word for select.  And if it is select, it's time to lock the rosters down in league play - period.  Start rewarding the full time players on your roster.... not the subs and guest players with play time.  Or is it really academy?

Some coaches are all about winning, and winning alone. There is no loyalty to the kids that are full time rostered to their teams --- they get 5-10 minutes of play in favor of the guest/part time elite players, all in the name of winning, and at the full time players' expense.  If this age group is not yet truly 'select', then why are so many coaches running it as so?  And any coach that tells you that your kid should only be playing soccer, and is not flexible towards your son/daughter playing other sports that they excel at does NOT have your child's best interest at heart. Period.

If you don't like the way a coach runs his team, go find a new team.  There are a lot out there.  And yes, this is academy so fluid rosters, flexibility and guest players are the name of the game.  I'm not a huge fan of it either, but it is allowed, and so it happens.  But not every coach does it so find one that doesn't.

On the contrary, I'm a big believer in allowing academy players the opportunity to guest with other teams.  1. It provides extra touches and allows the player to work on their individual skill and 2. it provides the parents valuable insight into other teams coaches and parents.  

In this year leading up to select, we often see shakeups as players move, kids get cut and teams fold.  There are a number of variables that can lead your kid to be looking in from the outside.  Having a couple of teams you could go to and be happy is not a bad thing.  Everyone should have a backup plan!  Even if it is spending more time on the lake  

Just had this conversation. I totally agree.

There were several teams on PAL that borrowed players.  Not only did they borrow players to fill up roster, but borrow the better players to win.  

Personally I dont agree with this, but to each their own.   

Just wondering. What's everyone's opinion on a coach "banning/requesting" your daughter from playing on any other team?

50/50 Id say.
I can see the Cons and the Pros on both the Coaches and my DDs end.

Ev23 wrote:Just wondering. What's everyone's opinion on a coach "banning/requesting" your daughter from playing on any other team?

I wouldn't want to play for a coach that bans my kid anyways.  But if it's truly 'Academy' then they shouldn't be banning your child, unless your child was disruptive or insubordinate and they have substantial logged evidence to back their claim.

Yes!Yes!Yes! wrote:

Ev23 wrote:Just wondering. What's everyone's opinion on a coach "banning/requesting" your daughter from playing on any other team?

I wouldn't want to play for a coach that bans my kid anyways.  But if it's truly 'Academy' then they shouldn't be banning your child, unless your child was disruptive or insubordinate and they have substantial logged evidence to back their claim.

I meant your academy coach saying you can't play with anyone but him/her.

Ev23 wrote:

Yes!Yes!Yes! wrote:

Ev23 wrote:Just wondering. What's everyone's opinion on a coach "banning/requesting" your daughter from playing on any other team?

I wouldn't want to play for a coach that bans my kid anyways.  But if it's truly 'Academy' then they shouldn't be banning your child, unless your child was disruptive or insubordinate and they have substantial logged evidence to back their claim.

I meant your academy coach saying you can't play with anyone but him/her.

Ask him/her why? There isn't a solid reason. It is youth academy. No contracts. Come U11 they have you, until then play for as many people as you can.

Ev23 wrote:

Yes!Yes!Yes! wrote:

Ev23 wrote:Just wondering. What's everyone's opinion on a coach "banning/requesting" your daughter from playing on any other team?

I wouldn't want to play for a coach that bans my kid anyways.  But if it's truly 'Academy' then they shouldn't be banning your child, unless your child was disruptive or insubordinate and they have substantial logged evidence to back their claim.

I meant your academy coach saying you can't play with anyone but him/her.

My guess is the coach is insecure in his/her abilities and fears you may realize that there are better coaches/situations available for your daughter in the open market

FriscoSoccer05 wrote:

Ev23 wrote:

Yes!Yes!Yes! wrote:

Ev23 wrote:Just wondering. What's everyone's opinion on a coach "banning/requesting" your daughter from playing on any other team?

I wouldn't want to play for a coach that bans my kid anyways.  But if it's truly 'Academy' then they shouldn't be banning your child, unless your child was disruptive or insubordinate and they have substantial logged evidence to back their claim.

I meant your academy coach saying you can't play with anyone but him/her.

My guess is the coach is insecure in his/her abilities and fears you may realize that there are better coaches/situations available for your daughter in the open market

Spot on assessment. The same coaches that say this are often the same coaches that will gladly take a top 3 player from any of the top teams in DFW to win a tournament.

Guest wrote:

FriscoSoccer05 wrote:

Ev23 wrote:

Yes!Yes!Yes! wrote:

Ev23 wrote:Just wondering. What's everyone's opinion on a coach "banning/requesting" your daughter from playing on any other team?

I wouldn't want to play for a coach that bans my kid anyways.  But if it's truly 'Academy' then they shouldn't be banning your child, unless your child was disruptive or insubordinate and they have substantial logged evidence to back their claim.

I meant your academy coach saying you can't play with anyone but him/her.

My guess is the coach is insecure in his/her abilities and fears you may realize that there are better coaches/situations available for your daughter in the open market

Spot on assessment.  The same coaches that say this are often the same coaches that will gladly take a top 3 player from any of the top teams in DFW to win a tournament.

Yup.  We have a lot of those coaches in NTX.

TatonkaBurger wrote:

Guest wrote:

FriscoSoccer05 wrote:

Ev23 wrote:

Yes!Yes!Yes! wrote:

Ev23 wrote:Just wondering. What's everyone's opinion on a coach "banning/requesting" your daughter from playing on any other team?

I wouldn't want to play for a coach that bans my kid anyways.  But if it's truly 'Academy' then they shouldn't be banning your child, unless your child was disruptive or insubordinate and they have substantial logged evidence to back their claim.

I meant your academy coach saying you can't play with anyone but him/her.

My guess is the coach is insecure in his/her abilities and fears you may realize that there are better coaches/situations available for your daughter in the open market

Spot on assessment.  The same coaches that say this are often the same coaches that will gladly take a top 3 player from any of the top teams in DFW to win a tournament.

Yup.  We have a lot of those coaches in NTX.

Oh wow, the old "you can't play for any other team but mine" shows insecurity in the coach. Went through this with my 04 a few years ago, got the green light from the director and was actually encouraged to check other teams out before select. Long story short, guest play as much as you like. By the time select comes around you will have a better idea on what type of coach, team that is best for your dd. If anything, do it for the extra touchs, gain experience playing different styles of the game.

A clear advantage of academy is mobility, an advantage that becomes much more challenging after next June.

Did your coach explain why he/she would prefer you to play only with him/her? If not, ask. His/her response will likely tell you everything you need to know.

He said other academy coaches would "no doubt" take advantage of his (the coaches) hard work and receipt the player who is now more skillful as a direct result of his hard work. So he expects total commitment.
Obviously she will continue to play where I decide. But this policy seemed odd to me.