Re: Referees

by haterinho 22/09/14, 09:28 pm

Coach&Ref wrote:Hater, I think I hit the send button just a fraction before you did! Spot on though. Probably, better explaining than I did.

It's Hata...not hater. Only my frienemies call me hater. Laughing

by Barca 23/09/14, 07:24 am

soccerisfun wrote:
Coach&Ref wrote:
Wired wrote:No disrespect but I could care less about spinning balls or offsides. The topic brought up was by yankee63 and the refs not controlling the game. Offsides isn't going to end a players career or put them in the hospital. Refs need to start calling the dirty play, not aggressive or physical, but dirty.

I agree with needing to take control of "dirty play", but on the flip side, parents have no idea what an "advantage" call is.

Again, this weekend, I brought the girls (98G) and the coach over to give them pre-game instructions and asked if they knew what the advantage rule was, since I use my voice a lot. Half of the girls had no idea, so the coach explained it to them right there. One of the ways to minimize retaliation is for kids to know that the ref saw the foul and something was being done to address it by "playing advantage". Parents usually have ZERO clue what it is, even when they see my arms raised.

Believe it or not, most teams, boys and girls, start off wanting to play soccer rather than rugby. At the outset of games, there may be one or two players who have to be addressed immediately, but it is not common for the ENTIRE team to come out swinging. It's usually dealt with early and can be resolved.

One of the other things to established before the game starts, is to ask the kids to point out one of the kids (or captains) to calmly approach me and let me know if there is something off the ball that neither myself, nor my ARs are spotting. This gives me a chance to let both me and my ARs know to play closer attention to that particular player. This also minimizes retaliation, since the kids know that they can calmly approach the ref and that we are now watching out for a particular player.

These are just a few of the things I do that have seemed to work out the best for me to keep soccer being played rather than hockey!

In my opinion, it is more accurate to state "If it is dealt with early it can be resolved."

Problem is - it's not usually dealt with early.

Can't a referee allow playing advantage and still issue a yellow for dangerous play?

I saw this very thing happen in the Atletico Madrid 2-1 victory over Real Madrid last weekend. There where over 10 yellow cards handed out. On two occasions, the referee allowed advantage and came back to issue yellows after the play had ended. I don't see why the same cannot happen in LH.

by Hooligan 23/09/14, 08:49 am

A lot of crying and deflecting by referees and elitists about parents not knowing "offside" or "advantage". But the fact remains, there are way too many U-11,12,13 yr. old girls going to the emergency room.
Skilled players are quitting the sport because they are tired of being injured all the time, and having to gain weight (and look like softball players) to stand a chance of competing for a 50/50 ball.

LH needs to crack down on the violence, and let coaches know that dirty play is not tolerated at all. Then it trickles down into the academy ranks because the coaches will start actually working on ball skills instead of shoulder barges with a discreet elbow to the jaw. If a dirty, low-skilled player can't stay on the field in LH, the academy coaches will not pursue this type of player - they will be forced to find players with skills or, god-forbid, teach them.

by TatonkaBurger 23/09/14, 08:58 am

Hooligan wrote:A lot of crying and deflecting by referees and elitists about parents not knowing "offside" or "advantage". But the fact remains, there are way too many U-11,12,13 yr. old girls going to the emergency room.
Skilled players are quitting the sport because they are tired of being injured all the time, and having to gain weight (and look like softball players) to stand a chance of competing for a 50/50 ball.

LH needs to crack down on the violence, and let coaches know that dirty play is not tolerated at all. Then it trickles down into the academy ranks because the coaches will start actually working on ball skills instead of shoulder barges with a discreet elbow to the jaw. If a dirty, low-skilled player can't stay on the field in LH, the academy coaches will not pursue this type of player - they will be forced to find players with skills or, god-forbid, teach them.

Well said!

by Hard Practice 23/09/14, 09:22 am

Coach&Ref wrote:
Good questions HP.

The new things that referees have to watch for is that "involved in active play" definition. The player in the offside position does not have to touch the ball to be considered to be involved. If the AR thinks he is making a play for the ball, attempting to stop a defender from making a play, interfering with the keeper in some fashion, etc. then he can be guilty of an offside infraction.

in the situation I described, the forwards in the offside position never interfered with either the defender or the keeper, even though they were barreling down the pitch. As far as what the keeper is taught to do, I would think it would just be to be concerned with the ball and hope the ARs get it right! If anyone barrels into the keeper like you mentioned, that would have to be dealt with according to the situation, no matter what the original position of the player was.

C and R,

I appreciate your response. I would like to follow up with the two parts I highlighted above. As for the Involved part I did not know the official definition. It sounds like the rules are trying to take into account the situatioon I am refering to. If the forward contuniues to make themselves a possible target for a pass I think by definition they are involved in the play. I rarely see it called this way and I think it does hurt the GK and defender. A smart defender will go after any single threat but with two players coming toward they goal have to play things a little differently.

As for the second part "hope the AR's get it right" yikes as a GK I would hate to rely on that one. In fact don't the parents often get criticised for calling for an offside when they are 30 yards from the last defender? The GK may be that far away and at a horrible angle to know if the other player is offside or not. Anyway I like the discussion. I would like to see it called differently but know it is unlikely to change.

by Hard Practice 23/09/14, 09:26 am

haterinho wrote:
You are exactly right. Both those scenarios could be called offside. In C&R's calls this weekend he mentioned a forward took off running towards goal from an offside position. This is a slippery slope. Offside requires A) involvement and B) position. If this forward was in an offside position when ball was played, B is satisfied. Involvement requires the AR consider two concepts, A) gaining an advantage from the position OR B) interfering with play OR an opponent. Any forward in an offside position running towards the ball is interfering with an opponent IF he challenges for the ball or causes a defender to react/move to his movement towards the ball. HE DOES NOT HAVE TO TOUCH THE BALL to be interfering with play from an offside position and thus be offside. If the second forward in C&R's scenario in any way caused a defender to react to him running towards the ball, flag should've been popped as soon as he interfered with opponent...whether he touched it or not.

Experienced forwards who know they are in an offside position, and spot a teammate might have a chance at a ball, KNOW a good ref will call it and will typically STOP running and make no further movement towards ball to clearly signal they are not involved in play. Any forward who obstructs a keeper while he is an offside position is definitely offside per this same interpretation of the law...interfering with an opponent. So both the scenarios you describe should be called in either youth games or pros.

haterinho - great response. I really like the "HE DOES NOT HAVE TO TOUCH THE BALL to be interfering with play from an offside position and thus be offside" part. That is what I'm talking about. Just seems they rarely if ever call it that way.

As for the impending collision if you see the forward who is offside running toward the ball why not blow it early and prevent a colllision and potential injury rather than wait till the last second before impact or after?

by SoccerDad2002 23/09/14, 09:56 am

TatonkaBurger wrote:
Hooligan wrote:A lot of crying and deflecting by referees and elitists about parents not knowing "offside" or "advantage". But the fact remains, there are way too many U-11,12,13 yr. old girls going to the emergency room.
Skilled players are quitting the sport because they are tired of being injured all the time, and having to gain weight (and look like softball players) to stand a chance of competing for a 50/50 ball.

LH needs to crack down on the violence, and let coaches know that dirty play is not tolerated at all. Then it trickles down into the academy ranks because the coaches will start actually working on ball skills instead of shoulder barges with a discreet elbow to the jaw. If a dirty, low-skilled player can't stay on the field in LH, the academy coaches will not pursue this type of player - they will be forced to find players with skills or, god-forbid, teach them.

Well said!

I second that, but of course add LH & PYSA need to crack down. I don't get to Arlington much, so I'm not sure what goes on out there.

by Its Me 23/09/14, 09:59 am

Hard Practice wrote:
haterinho wrote:
You are exactly right. Both those scenarios could be called offside. In C&R's calls this weekend he mentioned a forward took off running towards goal from an offside position. This is a slippery slope. Offside requires A) involvement and B) position. If this forward was in an offside position when ball was played, B is satisfied. Involvement requires the AR consider two concepts, A) gaining an advantage from the position OR B) interfering with play OR an opponent. Any forward in an offside position running towards the ball is interfering with an opponent IF he challenges for the ball or causes a defender to react/move to his movement towards the ball. HE DOES NOT HAVE TO TOUCH THE BALL to be interfering with play from an offside position and thus be offside. If the second forward in C&R's scenario in any way caused a defender to react to him running towards the ball, flag should've been popped as soon as he interfered with opponent...whether he touched it or not.

Experienced forwards who know they are in an offside position, and spot a teammate might have a chance at a ball, KNOW a good ref will call it and will typically STOP running and make no further movement towards ball to clearly signal they are not involved in play. Any forward who obstructs a keeper while he is an offside position is definitely offside per this same interpretation of the law...interfering with an opponent. So both the scenarios you describe should be called in either youth games or pros.
haterinho - great response. I really like the "HE DOES NOT HAVE TO TOUCH THE BALL to be interfering with play from an offside position and thus be offside" part. That is what I'm talking about. Just seems they rarely if ever call it that way.

As for the impending collision if you see the forward who is offside running toward the ball why not blow it early and prevent a colllision and potential injury rather than wait till the last second before impact or after?[/quote]

Most referees that I know blow it early as to not have the kids collide. I don't know of any referees that would prefer to see kids have a collision. Remember, we're parents also and most have a goal to protect and keep kids safe.

by Its Me 23/09/14, 10:02 am

Hooligan wrote:A lot of crying and deflecting by referees and elitists about parents not knowing "offside" or "advantage". But the fact remains, there are way too many U-11,12,13 yr. old girls going to the emergency room.
Skilled players are quitting the sport because they are tired of being injured all the time, and having to gain weight (and look like softball players) to stand a chance of competing for a 50/50 ball.

LH needs to crack down on the violence, and let coaches know that dirty play is not tolerated at all. Then it trickles down into the academy ranks because the coaches will start actually working on ball skills instead of shoulder barges with a discreet elbow to the jaw. If a dirty, low-skilled player can't stay on the field in LH, the academy coaches will not pursue this type of player - they will be forced to find players with skills or, god-forbid, teach them.

So maybe it's the coaches that we need to focus on as to the dirty play and not the referees.

by Guest 23/09/14, 10:08 am

Its Me wrote:
Hooligan wrote:A lot of crying and deflecting by referees and elitists about parents not knowing "offside" or "advantage". But the fact remains, there are way too many U-11,12,13 yr. old girls going to the emergency room.
Skilled players are quitting the sport because they are tired of being injured all the time, and having to gain weight (and look like softball players) to stand a chance of competing for a 50/50 ball.

LH needs to crack down on the violence, and let coaches know that dirty play is not tolerated at all. Then it trickles down into the academy ranks because the coaches will start actually working on ball skills instead of shoulder barges with a discreet elbow to the jaw. If a dirty, low-skilled player can't stay on the field in LH, the academy coaches will not pursue this type of player - they will be forced to find players with skills or, god-forbid, teach them.

So maybe it's the coaches that we need to focus on as to the dirty play and not the referees.

Hallelujah! coaches need to focus on skills not just recruiting the biggest kids they can find. The skill level is taking a back seat to size and that is retarding the development of the game here...

by Lefty 23/09/14, 11:59 am

silentparent wrote:
Its Me wrote:
Hooligan wrote:A lot of crying and deflecting by referees and elitists about parents not knowing "offside" or "advantage". But the fact remains, there are way too many U-11,12,13 yr. old girls going to the emergency room.
Skilled players are quitting the sport because they are tired of being injured all the time, and having to gain weight (and look like softball players) to stand a chance of competing for a 50/50 ball.

LH needs to crack down on the violence, and let coaches know that dirty play is not tolerated at all. Then it trickles down into the academy ranks because the coaches will start actually working on ball skills instead of shoulder barges with a discreet elbow to the jaw. If a dirty, low-skilled player can't stay on the field in LH, the academy coaches will not pursue this type of player - they will be forced to find players with skills or, god-forbid, teach them.

So maybe it's the coaches that we need to focus on as to the dirty play and not the referees.

Hallelujah! coaches need to focus on skills not just recruiting the biggest kids they can find. The skill level is taking a back seat to size and that is retarding the development of the game here...

Coaches are typically going to take an approach that provides the greatest opportunity to win the next game on the schedule.

If size is a primary advantage then size will be the priority.

If games are called in a way that makes skill a priority, and size w/o skill a liability, then the coaches would adjust their approach and focus on skill.

That is not how it is, and I do not see anything on the horizon that would cause it to change.

by Wired 23/09/14, 12:02 pm

Most good coaches realize they can teach an athlete skills, but you cant teach a player to be an athlete. In just about every sport the top players have both. Let a 5'tall player go up against an athletic 6'tall player and the 5' will usually lose, not always but usually. I realize alot of parents dont like seeing there DD get beat by a larger player especially since they have spent years and thousands of dollars in skills training, but you need to realize sometimes they don't have the athletic ability to keep up. Alex Morgan didnt start playing soccer until she was 13yrs old but she is an athlete. Skilled players aernt quitting because they are tired of being injured but because they realize they cant keep up physicaly, they realize it but the parents dont. Injuries are going to happen so I dont think we need to focus on the size of player, but maybe the injuries that can be avoided. Id much rather a girl go up against my DD with her shoulder than shove her from behind. When a girl goes up for a header and is pushed from behind and then she does a complete flip, someone needs a card. Focus on what can be avoided or are we going to start having different size and weight classes for players.

by Guest 23/09/14, 12:09 pm

Wired wrote:Most good coaches realize they can teach an athlete skills, but you cant teach a player to be an athlete. In just about every sport the top players have both. Let a 5'tall player go up against an athletic 6'tall player and the 5' will usually lose, not always but usually. I realize alot of parents dont like seeing there DD get beat by a larger player especially since they have spent years and thousands of dollars in skills training, but you need to realize sometimes they don't have the athletic ability to keep up. Alex Morgan didnt start playing soccer until she was 13yrs old but she is an athlete. Skilled players aernt quitting because they are tired of being injured but because they realize they cant keep up physicaly, they realize it but the parents dont. Injuries are going to happen so I dont think we need to focus on the size of player, but maybe the injuries that can be avoided. Id much rather a girl go up against my DD with her shoulder than shove her from behind. When a girl goes up for a header and is pushed from behind and then she does a complete flip, someone needs a card. Focus on what can be avoided or are we going to start having different size and weight classes for players.

except i see large girls with little skill out there beating people based solely on weight differential. its a quick fix for a win instead of teaching skill...

by Lefty 23/09/14, 12:15 pm

Wired wrote:Most good coaches realize they can teach an athlete skills, but you cant teach a player to be an athlete. In just about every sport the top players have both. Let a 5'tall player go up against an athletic 6'tall player and the 5' will usually lose, not always but usually. I realize alot of parents dont like seeing there DD get beat by a larger player especially since they have spent years and thousands of dollars in skills training, but you need to realize sometimes they don't have the athletic ability to keep up. Alex Morgan didnt start playing soccer until she was 13yrs old but she is an athlete. Skilled players aernt quitting because they are tired of being injured but because they realize they cant keep up physicaly, they realize it but the parents dont. Injuries are going to happen so I dont think we need to focus on the size of player, but maybe the injuries that can be avoided. Id much rather a girl go up against my DD with her shoulder than shove her from behind. When a girl goes up for a header and is pushed from behind and then she does a complete flip, someone needs a card. Focus on what can be avoided or are we going to start having different size and weight classes for players.

Athletic and size are not the same.

Athletes with size and skill will always be the best regardless of how the game is called. How games are called will determine if a coach focuses on size or skill for players who are not top level in all 3.

by Wired 23/09/14, 12:49 pm

There is no doubt you have exceptions in everything, some big players are slow and cumbersome and some players are small and very quick. The older they get the bigger and faster are usually harder to find but are more successful. Thats not saying a small player cant be successful, look at Messi. I see smaller players throwing elbows and pushing in the back simply because they cant keep up with a stronger player. We cant control the size of the players or all the injuries, but the refs can control the stupid ones. I dont think they should call a foul everytime someone gets nocked down, but when they see a player going for the other player and not the ball. If they let the stupid plays get out of hand it gets dangerous.

by Hard Practice 23/09/14, 01:05 pm

Surprised so little is mentioned her about speed and quickness. Soccer im my view is one of the best sports for smaller players. Speed and quickness are more valuable than other sports. Basketball for instance you see plenty of extremely tall players who are very slow yet still effective. Would never work in soccer. In fact I would say the biggest bias I see in soccer is speed. Fast players almost always see more time than more skilled slower players.

My dd who happens to be tall became slower as she grew taller. She often actually has better skill but is looked at as too slow. Intersting thing is she probably has the best completion % on passes of almost anyone on the team. There are situations and certain skills the size helps but there is the overiding speed difference which is viewed as too much to overcome. She is athletic and tall but not fast. She had a friend who was very skilled but was smaller and slow and ended up quitting because she never played. So I say speed is the #1 asset coaches look for in soccer not size. I also agree with what others said if similar speed and skill size will win.

Also at young ages it is hard to tell who will end up being the tallest. Most of the far taller girls in grade school quit growing early and were passed by those who grew a little slower.

by twotone 23/09/14, 03:51 pm

I find it ironic that the 2 best male players in the world today are polar opposites. Messi is barely 5'5" and Ronaldo is 6'1". neither are especially big or strong, but both are well-balanced and technical with the ball. I would call them strong "enough" to withstand the physical players and quick enough to avoid them too.

On the women's side, you have Abby Wambach (who is bigger than both Messi and Ronaldo) and Marta who are polar opposites as well. They both have the strength and athleticism to play the game and have been put in positions to thrive.

by txtransplant 23/09/14, 04:12 pm

My DD would probably be considered one of those "softball players" seeing as she's short and stocky as opposed to tall and lean. As a defensive mid, she wins many 1v1 battles by using foot skills and her shoulder to lean on people several inches taller than her. Since she has strong legs and a low center of gravity she's difficult to push off the ball.

However, every major injury she's ever suffered has always been the result of being hacked from behind after winning a 1v1 and dribbling towards goal. Twice she got a call. Not once was a card issued. She however ended up with a concussion, a broken arm and the most recent one, a dislocated kneecap and torn patella tendon.

by KicksNation 23/09/14, 05:18 pm

**Please note that I am putting this out there as a topic of discussion only. Not as legal advice (not an attorney) nor as something that I am suggesting to do.**
Something to consider is legal action against the referees and referee associations. I have witnessed, and my daughter has received injuries, from what i can only characterize as gross negligence on the part of referees. In some cases it has been so blatant that words can not adequately characterize it.
An official has a certain level of "duty to care" and some say that failure to enforce the rules of the game, especially in regards to player safety violates that "responsibility" (for lack of a better word). There have been cases, some successful and some not, involving personal suits brought against referees for their negligence in the injury of players as a result from their lack of enforcement of the games rules.
I honestly can see this occurring in North Texas as the physicality of the game, in conjunction with lax/weak officiating, continues to intensify.

by Guest 23/09/14, 06:17 pm

It is my opinion that the officiating will not change until we see a broken neck or back resulting in paralysis. Yes that is harsh, but that's how I see this playing out. All the warning signs are there. The complaints are loud and continuous. The response is zero. Someone's child is going to have to pay with a permanently altered life.

by Guest 23/09/14, 08:15 pm

This thread exceeded my expectations.

by Coach&Ref 23/09/14, 09:00 pm

Y'all convinced me. I just now decided to quit reffing.

Now I'll just have to find out a way to tell my wife that we have to give up the house in The Hamptons.

by KicksNation 23/09/14, 09:30 pm

Coach&Ref wrote:Y'all convinced me. I just now decided to quit reffing.

Now I'll just have to find out a way to tell my wife that we have to give up the house in The Hamptons.

From reading your posts, you actually seem like you are one of the decent ref's on the field,and there are some; however, instead of focusing your attention and energy on weak attempts at sarcasm, why not instead work at making changes within your occupation. There are way, way to many examples of an ever increasing pattern of negligent refereeing within the NTX soccer community to be just the rantings of only a few "crazy" parents. So maybe, when the discussion is centered around the safety of our dd's and the serious risks that they are needlessly being subjected to as a result of people in a position of rule enforcement failing to do their jobs, BS sarcastic quips is really a lame way to go.
Just a thought...

by Inn Keeper 23/09/14, 10:46 pm

So you want a major change. Get video proof of the issues that concern you with the perils your DD faces when she plays soccer. We have all seen the power of video lately. Change happens. Get the video and no one can deny what is presented like they can on this forum. So get out the tripod and video camera.

by Coach&Ref 23/09/14, 10:49 pm

KicksNation wrote:
Coach&Ref wrote:Y'all convinced me. I just now decided to quit reffing.

Now I'll just have to find out a way to tell my wife that we have to give up the house in The Hamptons.

From reading your posts, you actually seem like you are one of the decent ref's on the field,and there are some; however, instead of focusing your attention and energy on weak attempts at sarcasm, why not instead work at making changes within your occupation. There are way, way to many examples of an ever increasing pattern of negligent refereeing within the NTX soccer community to be just the rantings of only a few "crazy" parents. So maybe, when the discussion is centered around the safety of our dd's and the serious risks that they are needlessly being subjected to as a result of people in a position of rule enforcement failing to do their jobs, BS sarcastic quips is really a lame way to go.
Just a thought...

OUCH!

I was just being tongue-and-cheek. I should have used a smiley face!

There is such a paucity of referees especially since the return on investment is quite low when you add up the equipment cost plus pain and suffering! And before you say, "Well, if the games were just called correctly and fairly, then there would never be any issues!" I would refer you back to the old saying....

You can please some of the people all of the time.... all of the people some of the time....but never all of the people all of the time! Very Happy

by upper95 23/09/14, 11:31 pm

KicksNation wrote:**Please note that I am putting this out there as a topic of discussion only. Not as legal advice (not an attorney) nor as something that I am suggesting to do.**
Something to consider is legal action against the referees and referee associations. I have witnessed, and my daughter has received injuries, from what i can only characterize as gross negligence on the part of referees. In some cases it has been so blatant that words can not adequately characterize it.
An official has a certain level of "duty to care" and some say that failure to enforce the rules of the game, especially in regards to player safety violates that "responsibility" (for lack of a better word). There have been cases, some successful and some not, involving personal suits brought against referees for their negligence in the injury of players as a result from their lack of enforcement of the games rules.
I honestly can see this occurring in North Texas as the physicality of the game, in conjunction with lax/weak officiating, continues to intensify.

Wow. This would guarantee that you would have no referees. If a spectator could sue me over any of my decisions and drag me through the courts and drain my time and money, I'd never step on another field.

I would be surprised if there are supporting references for the assertion that negligence lawsuits against soccer referees have succeeded.

FIFA Laws specify "A referee is not held liable for:
Any kind of injury suffered by a player, official or spectator.
Any damage to property...
Any other loss suffered by an individual... which is due or which may be due to any decision that he may take under the terms of the Laws... or in respect of normal procedures required to hold, play and control a match."
If the league plays according to FIFA laws, your voluntary participation is implicit acceptance of the terms.

Claims against referees can be made through North Texas Soccer, which can and does pull licenses.

You want to sue someone, sue the player that punched your DD and gave her a concussion. People are responsible for their own actions, or at least that used be true in this country.

There are several factors contributing to the "rough/dirty play" issues asserted in this thread.
1) a shortage of quality referees with the skill and experience necessary to handle an increasing number of games
2) shortfalls in or absence of assessment programs
3) perceptions of (unqualified) spectators
4) a growing societal lack of respect for others

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